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KwarK
United States43968 Posts
On August 16 2017 02:58 Logo wrote: He poisoned himself in an attempt to kill Melisandre. So he's been dead since Season 2 and being of a different religion they never got another one. Maester isn't a religious position, that'd be Septons. So there is no religious reason not to replace a Maester. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9297 Posts
On August 16 2017 02:58 Logo wrote: He poisoned himself in an attempt to kill Melisandre. So he's been dead since Season 2 and being of a different religion they never got another one. Maesters aren't priests, they're like court medics | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:08 Sent. wrote: Maesters aren't priests, they're like court medics Yes maesters serve for kingdoms in open rebellion but it's not like you can just easily send a new one out to Dragonstone during the war. [Ok so they're more secular in organization, but they still tend to push the faith of the seven or prefer it to Rhallor] | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:12 Logo wrote: Yes maesters serve for kingdoms in open rebellion but it's not like you can just easily send a new one out to Dragonstone during the war. [Ok so they're more secular in organization, but they still tend to push the faith of the seven or prefer it to Rhallor] I think they are rather the opposite to an religious cult. Most what you see them do is scientific work, medical stuff, teaching, keeping records and beeing at the end of "send a raven". Also they seem to be political neutral. Plus it would make sense for Stannis to keep one around to monitor his daughters greyscale. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:25 Micro_Jackson wrote: I think they are rather the opposite to an religious cult. Most what you see them do is scientific work, medical stuff, teaching, keeping records and beeing at the end of "send a raven". Also they seem to be political neutral. Plus it would make sense for Stannis to keep one around to monitor his daughters greyscale. Yeah, I mean you are right that they aren't strictly religious, but they've shown preference for the faith of the seven especially from Stannis' point of view where they tried to kill what he sees as the path to sitting on the Iron Throne. I think it makes sense for Stannis to refuse another one and for the maesters to not be particularly concerned about it given the difficulty of getting to Dragonstone during a rebellion. It's also possible there is a maester on Dragonstone since they are still receiving messages via raven, but that the character isn't important enough to show. | ||
Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On August 16 2017 01:31 RCMDVA wrote: This hasn't been spelled out exactly in the TV show. But Robert Baratheon's grandmother was Rahelle Targaryen on his father's side. So Gendry has Targaryen blood. (hence the blood magic that was done with him a couple season back) Melisandre wanted him cause he is the son of a king, it had nothing to do with his supposed Targaryen blood (after 3 generations) | ||
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
On August 16 2017 03:31 Yhamm wrote: Melisandre wanted him cause he is the son of a king, it had nothing to do with his supposed Targaryen blood (after 3 generations) So why did her blood magic radar ping as soon as she laid eyes on Jon? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On August 16 2017 04:07 RCMDVA wrote: So why did her blood magic radar ping as soon as she laid eyes on Jon? Maybe because she is several hundreds years old or at least the oldest characters alive and knows all the major players? The current form is a disguise we know that much. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
Like woudnt it make much more sense that the firegod cares more for birthright then for politics? Woudnt be then viserys the only "real" king? | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
only untill "the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When my womb quickens again, and I bear a living child. Then you will return, my sun-and-stars, and not before." jon gonna put the stallion who mounts the world in her then zombie drogo is gonna come back. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 16 2017 04:23 Micro_Jackson wrote: Honestly Melisandres magic was always a McGuffin, even before it completely abandoned all rules of magic in GoT with Johns resurrection. Like woudnt it make much more sense that the firegod cares more for birthright then for politics? Woudnt be then viserys the only "real" king? There are rules to magic in GoT? It all seems to operate under the rules of either pure divinity or power that no one really understands. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8074 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9297 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On August 16 2017 06:03 Biff The Understudy wrote: I have the distinct feeling that Littlefinger will be king of the seven kingdoms at the end of the show, when everyone else is dead. Am I the only one having that impression? yes i think he will die this season. We will have some type of twists where it appears he succesfully manipulates Arya/Sansa, but its just fake drama. Those two still have plot armor and Littlefinger doesn't. It will be the final big death of the season so all of the viewers can be super happy. Also, let's not forget Bran knows about Littlefinger. He could easily tell Sansa or Arya about it - ofc that depends on him not being fully autistic. Talking about plot armor, Dany is finally starting to lose hers (not yet but soon). She could actually die early in S8 - it would be a huge surprise to the viewers. Tyrion/Varys - my theory is still that one (or both) of them will betray Dany in early S8 - in one way or the other. Otherwise they will just be boring puppets. Their betrayal could then lead to Dany's surprise death. Those are my predictions. 10:1 if I get all of them correct. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On August 16 2017 04:23 Micro_Jackson wrote: Honestly Melisandres magic was always a McGuffin, even before it completely abandoned all rules of magic in GoT with Johns resurrection. Like woudnt it make much more sense that the firegod cares more for birthright then for politics? Woudnt be then viserys the only "real" king? Actually no, Jon is the son of viserys older brother. Therefore Jon comes before viserys in the line of succession. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
So if we assume that Danys "purpose" was to bring dragons to westeros she could die at any time now, if her purpose is to lead the battle vs the white walkers she still has time left for sure. Same with any other character basically. Littlefinger doesn't make it into the next season, i completely agree here. His whole plan after he left kingslanding was just a mess, especially now that he is in winterfell it's basically random stuff. I am not quite sure if rhaegar would have even been the heir, iirc the mad king was aware that rhaegar had his own plans so he might have chosen another heir (not sure though) It's only theoretical in the first place though so who cares at this point. About Bran: Well i think that what happened to Hodor basically means that everything happens at once, time is only a perceived limit to normal people. So Bran doesn't really "choose" what he does now, it already happened one way or another. Something along those lines, "time travel" is always a mess :/ I just really hope that there will be more to it than one big battle against the white walkers (both in the books and the show). If it's only that it would be very underwhelming. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
I think the term "plotarmor" is overused tbh. Ofc there is always a purpose to a character and they don't just die randomly. This is a story and not real life. So if we assume that Danys "purpose" was to bring dragons to westeros she could die at any time now, if her purpose is to lead the battle vs the white walkers she still has time left for sure. Same with any other character basically. I think it's been very easy to predict who would or wouldn't die since S5 using plot-armor logic. And after watching reaction-videos from other people, it appears that the average viewer definitely wasn't aware that Jamie (or Dany) wasn't gonna die. Someone not having plot armor doesn't mean they will die, however it mean they could. Whether they should die or not depends on how interesting a story their death creates + quality of the writing. The dragons will still have a role when it comes to defeating white walkers, but she can transfer that role to Jon early in S8 (or late S7 who knows). Anyway again note that when I write "my theory" is not that its a likely outcome (given everything that could happen). But it's just a possibility that noone else seems to be discussing. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Someone not having plot armor doesn't mean they will die, however it mean they could. Whether they should die or not depends on how interesting a story their death creates + quality of the writing. This is basically it. Completely agreed here. I am also not sure how "mythological" the show wants to go. A lot of the prophecies, dreams, etc aren't in the show at all. Regarding a certain prophecy (prince that as promised/azor ahai) there would be a predictable endgame scenario for certain characters. I would think that GRRM will do something interesting with it, not entirely sure what the show decides to do here though. (this is phrased vaguely on purpose because it would be book material i think) | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1961 Posts
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