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zeo
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 29 2014 04:28 zeo wrote: Wait, I thought stormtroopers were clones? Is that guy at the start a new character or what? I think they stopped using clones a long time ago. It's been 30 years since Jedi and even if you clone people, you still need to train them(per Episode 2, but screw that movie). | ||
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Startyr
Scotland188 Posts
I am now imagining other kind of 'light' weapons like a polearm or scythe. Would have to make use of something like the shields or the 'electro' staffs that some droids had from earlier episodes so that parts of the handle can block a light sabre but not cut like one. Of course with something like a scythe there is the ever present problem of just being shot to death... | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On November 29 2014 04:28 zeo wrote: Wait, I thought stormtroopers were clones? Is that guy at the start a new character or what? They started off as Jango Fett clones but got replaced by other clones and eventually a lot more normal human recruits, at least according to the now-defunct expanded universe canon. I would think that by the time of Episode 7, the remnants of the Empire wouldn't have enough resources for mass cloning. | ||
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Antyee
Hungary1011 Posts
On November 29 2014 04:33 eviltomahawk wrote: They started off as Jango Fett clones but got replaced by other clones and eventually a lot more normal human recruits, at least according to the now-defunct expanded universe canon. I would think that by the time of Episode 7, the remnants of the Empire wouldn't have enough resources for mass cloning. Part of the reason might be (at least, seen in SW Battlefront 2), that the clones could have been turned against the Empire by the rebels. So, getting rid of the cloning facilities is just a comfortable solution. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6342 Posts
Guards in general also protect you from accidentally grabbing onto the blade. The guard itself being deadly is an accident waiting to happen. So, isn't it more practical to have the guard pre-built onto the lightsabre out of some super-metal? You aren't going to be stabbing someone with the guard. edit: On a real claymore a knight can grab onto the hand guards when needed. This really just seems not well thought out. | ||
Falling
Canada11509 Posts
On November 29 2014 04:04 Plansix wrote: I am sure we will get a good reason behind that shit in the movie. It could be that the hilt is made of some light saber resistant metal or some dumb shit. Or you can just assume that whoever made it knew what they were doing. I mean, we are talking about a world with space wizards who sword fight and where there is an entire race of fur people whos language is grunts and growls. I am willing to accept light sabers with hilts. Well, yes. But they will have to explain it in the film. It will not be enough to just simply never have the situation arise (a lightsaber is never caught between the hilt and the blade.) Nor would it be enough to have that metal stop a lightsaber blade, but not explanation is provided. Over the course of six films, we have seen lightsaber cut through pretty much anything. If it's thick light blast doors, it might take a long time, but it will melt through. Contradiction an in-universe rule will require and in-universe explanation. Tolkien regarding sub-creation: The sub-creator ...makes a Secondary world which your mind can enter. Inside it, what he relates is "true": it accords with the laws of that world. You therefore believe it, while you are, as it were, inside. The moment disbelief arises, the spell is broken; the magic, or rather art, has failed. Any sort of rules can be made in a fictional universe, but once established, there needs to be an explanation for an exception. So if a new metal has been developed that stops light saber blades, then fair enough. But then by the third film, there should be squads of anti-Jedi forces running around with anti-sabre batons to combat Jedi and stormtrooper armour coated with the stuff. If it can't be mass-produced, then at least a couple elite hit-squads should be decked out with the new substance. The Jedi will still have Jedi reflexes, but their lightsabers will become less effective. If they got it all mapped out, I'm on board. If this is just Rule of Cool with no further thought, I'm grumbling about careless creation... though they will hardly care about me. But I do think it's bad art. Similar to magic systems that can create food can be created with no cost... and that society is still primarily made up of farmers. A reason must be given for the lack of impact, else it is poorly thought to the consequences. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On November 29 2014 04:37 Antyee wrote: Part of the reason might be (at least, seen in SW Battlefront 2), that the clones could have been turned against the Empire by the rebels. So, getting rid of the cloning facilities is just a comfortable solution. That's a good point. Too bad the games aren't canon for now. It's also suggested in the canon Star Wars Rebels show that the Empire does take in young normal human recruits to train to become stormtroopers, while also spiriting away to unknown locations those who do too well during training, perhaps because of being force-sensitive. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 29 2014 04:48 Falling wrote: Well, yes. But they will have to explain it in the film. It will not be enough to just simply never have the situation arise (a lightsaber is never caught between the hilt and the blade.) Nor would it be enough to have that metal stop a lightsaber blade, but not explanation is provided. Over the course of six films, we have seen lightsaber cut through pretty much anything. If it's thick light blast doors, it might take a long time, but it will melt through. Contradiction an in-universe rule will require and in-universe explanation. Tolkien regarding sub-creation: The sub-creator Any sort of rules can be made in a fictional universe, but once established, there needs to be an explanation for an exception. So if a new metal has been developed that stops light saber blades, then fair enough. But then by the third film, there should be squads of anti-Jedi forces running around with anti-sabre batons to combat Jedi and stormtrooper armour coated with the stuff. If it can't be mass-produced, then at least a couple elite hit-squads should be decked out with the new substance. The Jedi will still have Jedi reflexes, but their lightsabers will become less effective. If they got it all mapped out, I'm on board. If this is just Rule of Cool with no further thought, I'm grumbling about careless creation... though they will hardly care about me. But I do think it's bad art. Similar to magic systems that can create food can be created with no cost... and that society is still primarily made up of farmers. A reason must be given for the lack of impact, else it is poorly thought to the consequences. I am with you, but I have always treated light sabers the same way I treat things in Marvel that are indestructible(aka Cpt. America's shield, Wolverines claws), which is they are until they are not. I think in a universe it is not a crazy idea that there would be a couple of things that could stop a light saber blade. | ||
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Falling
Canada11509 Posts
On November 29 2014 04:58 Plansix wrote: I am with you, but I have always treated light sabers the same way I treat things in Marvel that are indestructible(aka Cpt. America's shield, Wolverines claws), which is they are until they are not. I think in a universe it is not a crazy idea that there would be a couple of things that could stop a light saber blade. I will grant that possibility, but if that were the case... it would make MUCH more sense to make a proper hilt out of that material. A hilt that would not cut you open with one mistake, but would actually protect your hands. Again, if it's just supposed to look cool... to me it looks very, very silly. | ||
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
Mandalorian iron also had similar properties (more resistant to lightsaber cuts afaik, didn't short them out like cortosis) and they did make some lightsaber grip/hilt parts out of it. | ||
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eviltomahawk
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Plansix
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HolydaKing
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dDazed
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
And yeah, not to get too nerdy, but I don't like that lightsaber. Wish they didn't always need to add gimmicks. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
What i really like about the trailer is that it seems like they make the stormtropers look more elite. In the old one they were shown as guys who cant hit shit and loose with heavy armor and walking tanks against koalas. But in this drop ship (i guess) shot they look more serius more dangerous and just more badass. | ||
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Falling
Canada11509 Posts
Lando Calrissian and Mace Windu respectively, plus that captain guy in Episode I. But yes, Star Wars isn't known for having a wide array of human ethnic groups... or for that matter very many major female characters. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On November 29 2014 07:46 Falling wrote: Billy Dee Williams and Samuel L Jackson Lando Calrissian and Mace Windu respectively, plus that captain guy in Episode I. But yes, Star Wars isn't known for having a wide array of human ethnic groups... or for that matter very many major female characters. Oh yea you are right but Lando was rassist too wasnt he? And Jackson was just such a waste... i mean why not make him the bad guy imagine what a motherfucking badass sith he would have been. | ||
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