Rian Johnson - Director Daisy Ridley - Rey Mark Hamill - Luke Skywalker Carrie Fisher - Princess Leia John Boyega - Finn Adam Driver - Kylo Ren Tom Hardy - (Rumored)
Poll: Which Do You Think Is Best
Star Wars - The Force Awakens (41)
61%
Star Wars - The Last Jedi (26)
39%
67 total votes
Your vote: Which Do You Think Is Best
(Vote): Star Wars - The Force Awakens (Vote): Star Wars - The Last Jedi
Looking forward to seeing what they will do with this. Not sure what level of hype I intend to keep, but I definitely do hope to see this movie when it comes out.
And I thought this would be a good thing to post here.
It's really weird to me that people are so anti star wars atm. Like i get it. Episode 7 was very close to episode 4 in terms of reaching certain plot points. The funny thing is that while people complain about that, they also complain about the new "villain" because he isn't menacing enough. So what do you wants? Another darth vader which would be a complaint about similarity, or something "new" by having a villain who is conflicted, rather new to the force as well, etc (which then is new) Ofc execution of these aspects matters a lot, but it was fairly well done i think. People really just don't like adam drivers looks i guess :/
The first movie was a setup to this one, we now have our characters established and now it's time to let them have their own adventure. Luke being unsure about the jedi makes for a nice thematic topic. Like what does he mean when he says "it's so much bigger" ? There is more to it than dark/light! I think getting actually new content is what people wanted? It's funny that i defend the new movies, i am not even a big star wars fan to begin with and think the OT is overrated and viewed with nostalgia goggles. So going by the teaser, the movie will look fantastic and have a theme which wasn't really done before and might actually add nuance to the franchise (i am only talking official movies here btw, that's the stuff most people actually know and mean when they talk about star wars). A bit excited about it tbh, because it might finally show us more about the universe and force (and give it more depth), something which should have been done in the other episodes already tbh.
I think OT is not one smidge overrated. I could watch them another 20 times through each, probably will.
But I don't think they need to be put on a pedestal relative to Ep 7. 7 was great in its own way - partially derivative, but it's a sequel that is built upon the past so that should not be too much of a surprise. Hell, my biggest gripes with it are of the awkward character interactions variety - and god knows the OT had plenty of those as well.
It suffered from being a victim of unattainable expectations - we were waiting for this movie for decades and we had plenty of presuppositions as to how it would look. And there was zero chance of it satisfying them. Once you see it for what it actually is, it's a pretty great movie. Better than R1 - which on the other hand well surpassed its hype but wasn't that great - it was merely good. I could have been on the R1>E7 hype train until I saw E7 again and that basically erased all doubt.
Well overrated because imo it has very clear weaknesses/faults as well. For example the acting is rather bad, there are cheesy moments in it which are in direct contrast to the rather serious story, etc. I mean i think the OT is fun, i can watch it every year as well but i don't think these movies are truly masterpieces or anywhere near it and most hardcore star wars fans seem to think just that (and yes i get that back in the 70s it was something "new" ; well at least all the aspects mixed together). So when i use "overrated" it doesn't mean i am on the other side of the spectrum "they suck!!", not at all.
My main gripe with E7 is that in the middle parts of the movie it's just too fast, or rather as soon as Rey and Funn meet. We could have used a few scenes which give us a better perspective of time passing, like i remember having no idea of the timespan the movie covers directly after watching it. Also it could have been better developed WHY Rey seems to be as strong as she is with the force. Like if the is simply a natural talent, make it a bit more clear, a little bit more struggle to control it, etc. Other than that i think it gave us reasonably interesting characters and a situation the other two movies can expand on.
So yeah i hope that episode 8 and 9 expand the universe and the idea of the force (dark/light/ "so much bigger!") substantially. For all the possibilites the universe has it was always a bit too focused on the same things over and over again. Get some ned ideas in there, get more nuance into it than good vs evil. I think episode 8 will do that and that's imo great!
Man, you can't get worse at cheesy moments than setting up your new main villain, which you are despicting as a tortured conflicted soul, and then use him as a comical relief gag. Even tho i chuckled, it was as anticlimatic as it can get. Don't get me wrong, I liked the TFA, but many times either Disney or JJ (or both) played the episode VII too safe, it had too much action for a trilogy starter movie in an attempt to make it a watchable stand alone movie while still being part of a trilogy, and in doing so it didn't manage to be a good stand alone movie.
It's like doing the fellowship of the ring, but removing a good chunk of the beginning on hobbiton and the travel to Rivendel just for action's scenes sake, speeding or neglecting the storytelling process just for the kicks. I had to remove Star's killer existence out of my headcanon. In my eyes, the First order just successfully invaded the republic's primary systems at the core and defeated its fleet in battle, no, no this silly star killer and all republic planets being in the same solar system when we are talking about a freaking galaxy. If you want to see the super weapon done right, watch rogue one.
And don't get me started about how much of a waste of everybody's time the fighting scene on Han's Freighter is.
I know the comparison isn't fair, because OT is a finished trilogy, and maybe the next movies allow it to be a better movie overall, but it's impossible to rank it better than a new hope even as a stand alone. Is it bad ? No, but it's not the best.
I think all your complaints are legit tbh. They shouldn't have used Kylo for any humor. The monster stuff on han's freighter should have been cut and it would have given us time to let other scenes be a bit longer/breathe more.
At the same time i think the movie did a good job to create some tension where the OT imo always failed. The stormtroopers were a bad joke in the OT and while they are still not "realisticically" depicted necessarily, at least we see them actually do things here. Also the lightsaber fights were just horribly bad in the OT, not from a storytelling perspective but the fights itself were meh. Same with acting, mark hamill was a very weak actor in his youth at least. Does this mean i think episode 7 is better than the OT? Nah not at all, i think it does some things better, others worse. Overall it probably feels a bit worse mainly due to it being too fast paced.
Though if the writing in episode 8 is better and the rest stays at the same lvl as episode 7 i think it has the potential to be the best movie yet. Especially if it actually adds nuance to the story (light/dark, etc) I am fairly optimistic atm, simply because of the teased theme of "the last jedi" and the director and the general rumors about the movie being fairly different from everything else we have seen so far (ofc that could be pr talk though)
I honestly thought Kylo Ren was a pretty cool character. Not in the "unadulterated badass" kind but more of a "villain protagonist" kind of character. He is the least of my problems.
Some character interactions seemed forced which is my problem. Finn and Rey didn't really have very good ones. Finn had great ones with others - BB8, Poe, Han, etc. - but the one was pretty bad. Rey had a few good ones as well, including the one with Kylo Ren. Leia and Chewbacca was also another awkward one.
But you know, the OT had plenty of those "forced" moments too. Some of those characters were barely memorable for their role within the movie despite getting enough screen time to think they should matter.
Being fast-paced seems like a mirror of Ep 4, though arguably not as well done. Ep 4 just went from scene to scene quite quickly like a magical adventure. The other two felt stylistically different.
You can’t make a better Darth Vader. He is one of the most iconic villains of all time. Kylo Ren can be seen a meta commentary on that specific problem. The one nice part about Ren is that he has a similar dynamic with the rest of the Imperials/New Order, which is full of distrust. The CGI Stoke was a less than perfect choice, better than Devil Alien with a double lightsaber.
On April 18 2017 09:35 The_Red_Viper wrote: My main gripe with E7 is that in the middle parts of the movie it's just too fast, or rather as soon as Rey and Funn meet. We could have used a few scenes which give us a better perspective of time passing, like i remember having no idea of the timespan the movie covers directly after watching it. Also it could have been better developed WHY Rey seems to be as strong as she is with the force. Like if the is simply a natural talent, make it a bit more clear, a little bit more struggle to control it, etc. Other than that i think it gave us reasonably interesting characters and a situation the other two movies can expand on.
My main issue with Rey isn't her strength in the force, and any attempt to explain that would inevitably dredge up their horrible midichlorians crap. But in the OT (and PT) they hammered it in that sheer strength doesn't really get you anywhere (except great piloting skills/reflexes): ep 4 Luke couldn't do much of anything with the force and spent most of ep 5 on Dagobah learning how to use it. Anakin spent the entire time between ep 1 and 2 in training, while Rey instantly kicked ass.
On April 18 2017 22:33 Kipsate wrote: still mad that Rey doesn't fight with a double lightsaber, she had a staff for god sakes!
(granted its probably so the fight scenes don't look stupid as well)
Well, it would also be pretty egregious power-up wise because handling a staff doesn't prepare you for having a two-bladed lasersword that you can't brace against your leg or arm without losing an appendage.
I would be sort of bummed if they skipped over the building the lightsaber part for the second time. Even if it is just something they use as a backdrop for dialog.
On April 18 2017 09:35 The_Red_Viper wrote: My main gripe with E7 is that in the middle parts of the movie it's just too fast, or rather as soon as Rey and Funn meet. We could have used a few scenes which give us a better perspective of time passing, like i remember having no idea of the timespan the movie covers directly after watching it. Also it could have been better developed WHY Rey seems to be as strong as she is with the force. Like if the is simply a natural talent, make it a bit more clear, a little bit more struggle to control it, etc. Other than that i think it gave us reasonably interesting characters and a situation the other two movies can expand on.
My main issue with Rey isn't her strength in the force, and any attempt to explain that would inevitably dredge up their horrible midichlorians crap. But in the OT (and PT) they hammered it in that sheer strength doesn't really get you anywhere (except great piloting skills/reflexes): ep 4 Luke couldn't do much of anything with the force and spent most of ep 5 on Dagobah learning how to use it. Anakin spent the entire time between ep 1 and 2 in training, while Rey instantly kicked ass.
Eh, she was kinda terrible with the lightsaber and Ren wasn’t trying to kill her. Her using the force at the end is the time when she gains the advantage and there is a real argument to be made that the Force won the fight for her.
It should be a lesson to us all: Don’t fight the newly awakened force user right after killing your father in cold blood. It isn’t a good mental state to be leaning into the dark side.
On April 18 2017 22:52 Mafe wrote: Trailer was a bit of a letdown for me. But as I will watch it anyway, I guess the trailer was never meant for people like me.
Heh, I just commented that to a friend. The Battlefront II trailer actually impressed me more. But pretty hyped for both
It wasn't a trailer, it was a teaser. Just to give you a little bit of footage without spoiling anything storywise. Well execpt for the theme they kinda "spoiled" or TEASED at
On April 18 2017 21:57 Plansix wrote: You can’t make a better Darth Vader. He is one of the most iconic villains of all time. Kylo Ren can be seen a meta commentary on that specific problem. The one nice part about Ren is that he has a similar dynamic with the rest of the Imperials/New Order, which is full of distrust. The CGI Stoke was a less than perfect choice, better than Devil Alien with a double lightsaber.
I might get burn alive here but I never understood what was so great about darth vader. Yes he got a nice look and all but the guy is a non stop disapointment.
Outside of his "feelling" skills that help the empire to move the plot along at the start of empire, he fail in all of his task, most of them being rather easy. Getting the death star plan on the ship, crushing the rebelion on Hott, killing an unexperience Luke in duel, getting Leya to talk...All of those should have been an easy one, yet everytime the rebellion win just under his nose.
For me Vador was always that guy unable to kill a fly with a rocket luncher everyone say he is awesome and super scary but the only time we see that is when he is with other empire member against the rebelion he seems to be totally powerless. If he would have been a normal officer it seems like he would have been a shitty one.
But I do have a problem with action movie vilain in general so don't take this to hard.
On April 18 2017 21:57 Plansix wrote: You can’t make a better Darth Vader. He is one of the most iconic villains of all time. Kylo Ren can be seen a meta commentary on that specific problem. The one nice part about Ren is that he has a similar dynamic with the rest of the Imperials/New Order, which is full of distrust. The CGI Stoke was a less than perfect choice, better than Devil Alien with a double lightsaber.
I might get burn alive here but I never understood what was so great about darth vader. Yes he got a nice look and all but the guy is a non stop disapointment.
Outside of his "feelling" skills that help the empire to move the plot along at the start of empire, he fail in all of his task, most of them being rather easy. Getting the death star plan on the ship, crushing the rebelion on Hott, killing an unexperience Luke in duel, getting Leya to talk...All of those should have been an easy one, yet everytime the rebellion win just under his nose.
For me Vador was always that guy unable to kill a fly with a rocket luncher everyone say he is awesome and super scary but the only time we see that is when he is with other empire member against the rebelion he seems to be totally powerless. If he would have been a normal officer it seems like he would have been a shitty one.
But I do have a problem with action movie vilain in general so don't take this to hard.
I think it's mostly the atmosphere when he interacts with other generals/officers/soldiers. He force chokes them, everybody is intimidated by his sheer presence and in general Vader also is pretty articulate when he talks. The music, aesthetics, etc obviously help a ton. But you are right, if we just look at his feats it's pretty much one failure after the other and it's weird that people overlook this.
It will be interesting to see what people will say about story details of episode 8 when it actually is different from the formula we all know. I think no matter what they did with it, people will be angry
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