EPTStar Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi - Page 2
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Plansix
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The_Red_Viper
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Plansix
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The scene with the electro-baton trooper and Finn gave me hope for the future. That scene and the one with the flame thrower made storm troopers seem skills and scary without making them seem unstoppable. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Just a little bit here and there to actually create tension and make us question if the heroes can actually do it. Also what is really important imo is to expand the mythos and universe now. Make it a bit more nuanced. Things like that, we are in a time where simple good vs evil isn't really that exciting anymore. | ||
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LegalLord
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Plansix
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The_Red_Viper
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A villain can and should have more motivation than simply being evil and darth vader actually already fits that. But it can be developed even further, showing that not everybody fighting for the "bad guys" is necessarily simply evil. Showing that the "good guys" also do questionable things. Give people new moral questions/dynamics which go beyond sith who want to control the universe vs jedi who wanna protect it. Everything i have read so far points towards that approach and i am excited, i wonder if people are actually ready for it though, which they should be after calling episode 7 too similar to the OT  | ||
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LegalLord
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Acrofales
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On April 19 2017 02:25 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh yeah for sure, i don't necessarily want some super gritty/dark star wars. At least not for the main episodes. Just a little bit here and there to actually create tension and make us question if the heroes can actually do it. Also what is really important imo is to expand the mythos and universe now. Make it a bit more nuanced. Things like that, we are in a time where simple good vs evil isn't really that exciting anymore. Empire Strikes Back had that already. Of course, it being #2 in a trilogy meant everybody knew that there was a finale coming in which Good could triumph again, but that movie ended with: 1. Lando Calrissian betraying his friends (and somewhat redeeming himself, but not before the major betrayal) 2. Han Solo being turned into a slab of concrete and taken away by Boba Fett. 3. Luke having his hand chopped off by Darth Vader, who also revealed he was his daddy. The rebellion had been chased off Hoth, lost 2 of its main protagonists and looked kinda fucked. The very last scene was hopeful again, but the overall tone of the movie is one of the good guys getting their collective butts kicked in the grand scale of things. Albeit, in a fun and adventurous kind of way. | ||
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Jockmcplop
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On April 19 2017 02:01 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think it's mostly the atmosphere when he interacts with other generals/officers/soldiers. He force chokes them, everybody is intimidated by his sheer presence and in general Vader also is pretty articulate when he talks. The music, aesthetics, etc obviously help a ton. But you are right, if we just look at his feats it's pretty much one failure after the other and it's weird that people overlook this. It will be interesting to see what people will say about story details of episode 8 when it actually is different from the formula we all know. I think no matter what they did with it, people will be angry  Vader in SW: Rebels is downright scary. | ||
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Godwrath
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- Massive loss on Hoth, more than half their troops and support personal killed, equipment and ships around the same numbers. They barely manage to survive. And afterwards the empire is on full pursuit. - Luke's training gets interrupted and he gets injured. - There is almost nowhere to hide from the Empire, which is shown as extremely far reaching (Han/Leia whole arc after Hoth is pretty much about how hard it is to hide from the Empire and to find potential allies for the rebellion). This setback gives breathing space to the Empire to start a second death star to force the Rebellion's hand (and fall into a trap to finish them off), which gets us to the Return of the Jedi where the rebellion plays everything to one card since they know it's their last chance, because they were given a crippling blow in ESB.Luckily for the rebellion, the force is a hell of a plot armor (literally) and allowed the ewoks and our heroes to disable the shield just in time. It's about showing us that despite their first victory in a new hope, the clock is still ticking, and it runs against the Rebellion. Dark or not dark, i don't know, it certainly needs some definition. Morally speaking the movie is not dark, but i would say it has a very pessimistic tone to balance a new hope's ending. Yeah, i love that movie Yep, but no rogue one levels of scary tho ;p | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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I just think the universe, mythos and characters need to expand a bit. It was fine the way it was in the OT, but these days i expect more worldbuilding and character depth tbh. I only count the actual star wars movies, i know that there are animations, books, etc but in reality that's only for the hardcore fanbase. | ||
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LegalLord
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Godwrath
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TheEmulator
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On April 19 2017 07:14 Godwrath wrote: I am sure i am in the very minority here, Rogue one is the best one for me (ESB close second). It took me some extra-views to reach that point, but i really appreciate what Gareth did with it and how he took the chance by himself to fill some of the holes in a way i found pleasant and enjoyable. Yea I watched Rogue One for the first time this weekend and really enjoyed it. Kind of depressing to watch + Show Spoiler + literally every character die | ||
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Chewbacca.
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