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On May 07 2012 20:20 LagLovah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 20:10 disciple wrote:
damn the tywin & arya scenes keep the series going for me in the last couple of episodes. I don't really care if that stuff is not in the book, HBO are making an adaptation, Peter Jackson changed plenty of stuff in the LOTR as well. One can change things in a story, but uh.. some of the stuff they are changing is actually important parts of the story in the later books. It feels like they think people cant follow a real story so its being dumbed down, which is really dissapointing. The Dany changes are really annoying, even the chapters in the books not alot happens, you could probably just skim over it in the show without having to add rediculous plots to the story. I get the idea of the 'surgeon' prestory to help with Robb marrying her... but uh, its kind of silly the way they are going about it. Cat also wasnt in his military camp at that point.....Some of the other eps before there they had changed stuff and it didnt really bother me, but this one for whatever reason, they changed alot of things.... its sad. More of a problem with them taking stuff out that were in the books and then adding some random crap to try and shorten the story than anything.
Well, the thing is Dany was one of the main characters in season one. They can't just skim over her stuff, because she is one of the main characters. It would be like a season of LOST and Jack's gone for half the episodes. That probably also is the reason why we get to see so much of Robb. He had no POV in ACOK, you only got a few pieces of information from third party sources, but he is one of the main characters in the show, so they have to show him a lot.
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On May 07 2012 21:17 Iranon wrote:Heh. Just wanted to share this gem from our friends in the spoiler-free thread: + Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 21:00 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 20:54 Mentalizor wrote:The only thing "boring" in this episode was the scenes with Robb. But I bet there's a reason for those scenes to be there in the first place  Well Robb is supposed to marry one of the Frays right? I hope he doesn't fuck it up.
I'm 90% sure this is one of these guys who know very well what's gonna happen and pretend to not know the books so they appear smart -.-
(Well, I'm not 90% sure this guy read the books, but 90% of comments like these come from such people.)
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I get why they're changing the Dany stuff, but she just comes across as whiny not strong. It also reeks of not being able to find good substance for her story as the characters they introduced to expand her story are lack lustre from a viewing perspective.
To be fair, the plot device of her dragons being stolen (probably by the Undying) is ok in my books. Every other scene she was in was a waste of my time though =S
Jon Snow and Robb Stark stuff is ok in my books despite the changes. I will sorely miss the double cross of Reek though. I thought that was a fantastic plot device, but I guess the writers think they haven't got enough time to introduce Reek enough for the double cross I guess? You know, with all that time spent for Tywin to have a deep and meaningful with his cup bearer.
Giving Arya a lot of unnecessary screentime in my opinion though which I feel they could have used to expand the dramatic build up to the peasant rebellion. Though that was still obviously the best part of the episode, the Hound was the only true standout.
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When you make so many changes its inevitable that book readers won't be happy -_-. For me the only dissapointing change is no Reek....his interactions with Theon and eventual betrayal were one of my fav parts of the second book. The Dany changes I don't really care about...her chapters were the most boring, long as it ends with Barristan coming in they can do whatever they want to her this season. Jon changes I felt were unecessary....his story could've been carried over from the books completely with no changes but it depends where they go from here before I can give a verdict on it.
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they can still put reek in, 4 episodes to go.
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The only thing i am somewhat dissappointed about is the way they changed the character of Petyr Baelish. In the tv show he comes of more openly selfish, evil and choleric, while in the book he lurks in the shadows as a clever player.
The scene with Arya made that clear to me, as the book Petyr would imo have identified Arya, whereas the tv Petyr seemed a bit clumsy here.
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They can still put a Reek to come along with Ramsay though so I think it's still fine.
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On May 08 2012 00:09 TigerKarl wrote:
The only thing i am somewhat dissappointed about is the way they changed the character of Petyr Baelish. In the tv show he comes of more openly selfish, evil and choleric, while in the book he lurks in the shadows as a clever player.
The scene with Arya made that clear to me, as the book Petyr would imo have identified Arya, whereas the tv Petyr seemed a bit clumsy here.
well he certainly might have picked her out, but what purpose would there be in saying that aloud? If he is the only person in Westeros with the knowledge of her location, couldn't he use that to his advantage? Also, she is in good hands with Tywin. Also, we don't get Petyr's POV in the books so it's certainly easier to say he "lurked in the shadows," but on TV they really have to just show some of the stuff he does. And his selfishness does not show often in affairs of state in the show, excepting when Tyrion offers him Harrenhal.
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Yeah I was of the opinion that Littlefinger did recognize Arya he just chose not to say anything.
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On May 08 2012 00:09 TigerKarl wrote:
The only thing i am somewhat dissappointed about is the way they changed the character of Petyr Baelish. In the tv show he comes of more openly selfish, evil and choleric, while in the book he lurks in the shadows as a clever player.
The scene with Arya made that clear to me, as the book Petyr would imo have identified Arya, whereas the tv Petyr seemed a bit clumsy here.
Im 100% sure he identified her, just re watch the way she looks in her direction, and the tone with which she says Cat Stark's daughters ...
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On May 08 2012 00:33 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 00:09 TigerKarl wrote:
The only thing i am somewhat dissappointed about is the way they changed the character of Petyr Baelish. In the tv show he comes of more openly selfish, evil and choleric, while in the book he lurks in the shadows as a clever player.
The scene with Arya made that clear to me, as the book Petyr would imo have identified Arya, whereas the tv Petyr seemed a bit clumsy here. Im 100% sure he identified her, just re watch the way she looks in her direction, and the tone with which she says Cat Stark's daughters ...
He definitely identified them, or else LF would have been much less interested in the girl.
There are lots of little things like that happen in the books to build drama, but nothing comes from them. It's how GRRM keeps you on your toes by only climaxing certain events & not all events.
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On May 08 2012 00:30 Cainam wrote:
Yeah I was of the opinion that Littlefinger did recognize Arya he just chose not to say anything.
Holy shit, yeah I just rewatched that scene and it did look like he recognized her!
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On May 08 2012 00:14 jxx wrote:
They can still put a Reek to come along with Ramsay though so I think it's still fine.
He can't come with Ramsay, he IS Ramsay
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On May 08 2012 00:48 scudst0rm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 00:14 jxx wrote:
They can still put a Reek to come along with Ramsay though so I think it's still fine. He can't come with Ramsay, he IS Ramsay
It's not surprising that people make that mistake. It was one of the least clear sections of the book.
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I think putting in the whole Reek part would just be too confusing, not interesting for TV. They would have to delve into the whole Lady Hornwood situation, which would probably be boring/go over the heads of everyone who hadn't read the books. I personally didn't really understand what was going on with that situation the first time I read ACoK, but recently just re-read it when the season started, and it was pretty interesting once I understood wtf was going on. But like, having Bran sitting down talking to Luwin or Rodrik or whoever it was, about some Lady who no one in the show has ever heard of being forced to marry some other character they've never heard of, would just make no sense. They'll probably just have Ramsay show up at the end and kill everyone and burn down Winterfell.
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So it seems like they are escaping without taking anyone else along to replace the Reeds. I have no idea now what will happen to Rickon when Bran goes North looking for the Three-eyed Crow. Previously I had assumed Maester Luwin would find some way to escape and go off with Rickon but now I don't know...
This episode had the most deviations from the books by far. Some I understood (messing with Dany's rather boring ACoK storyline) and some I definitely did not (Ser Rodrik dying that way, and how they are setting the story up for Ramsay's introduction).
I also don't think it would have taken very much time to give a little more backstory on Ramsay. It wouldn't be that arbitrary to tell the viewers about some random guy wed to some random woman as long as you mention that he locked her in a tower until she ate her fingers and died of starvation in order to get her lands. It gives you a window into the sort of person Ramsay is before having first-hand interaction with him through Theon.
On that note, Reek Reek it rhymes with Weak. Can't wait until Theon gets his comeuppance.
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On May 08 2012 01:04 ZasZ. wrote:
So it seems like they are escaping without taking anyone else along to replace the Reeds. I have no idea now what will happen to Rickon when Bran goes North looking for the Three-eyed Crow. Previously I had assumed Maester Luwin would find some way to escape and go off with Rickon but now I don't know...
This episode had the most deviations from the books by far. Some I understood (messing with Dany's rather boring ACoK storyline) and some I definitely did not (Ser Rodrik dying that way, and how they are setting the story up for Ramsay's introduction).
I also don't think it would have taken very much time to give a little more backstory on Ramsay. It wouldn't be that arbitrary to tell the viewers about some random guy wed to some random woman as long as you mention that he locked her in a tower until she ate her fingers and died of starvation in order to get her lands. It gives you a window into the sort of person Ramsay is before having first-hand interaction with him through Theon.
On that note, Reek Reek it rhymes with Weak. Can't wait until Theon gets his comeuppance.
Yeah I do hope they go into some background about how creepy and fucked up Ramsay is, but for the purposes of having the surprise of Reek being Ramsay, I think it would just have gone over the heads of the average non book reading viewer. Just too much to explain in pure dialogue.
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Best part of the series was when Lord bolton says "Let my bastard at the dreadfort handle this".........ohhoohohohohoohohoh shit!
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I like that they transfered some of the events to season3, they will have more time next year (Reeds). It's very likely that Theon will end this season still in control of Winterfell, and then have Ramsay capture him in 2013. Chronology can be tricky in the books, and I'm fine if they just say "Fuck it" and have Petyr teleport around in the show.
The general idea me and my friends have is that s03 ends with the RW, jon+bran during the storm, Jaime in the bear pit, sam the slayer and davos learning to read.
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