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On May 07 2012 17:36 -Archangel- wrote:If changes to Jon storyline don't end up with Quorin telling Jon to pretend he is a turncloak and then two of them fighting it out I will be really angry. WTF is with Dany storyline?! First we don't find out Daxos only wanted the Dragons and the whole marriage pack that lets Daxos get her dragons  Then Undying steal her dragons while they actually only want her. Totally unnecessary changes. Her being desperate and going to them herself was good enough, there was no need for these changes. I am getting pissed more and more this season will so many changes. HBO writers are soon going to thing they can finish Martin's book for him
The change is fine. It adds drama to Dany's plodding ACoK storyline. There's already been similar complaints from non-readers that Dany's storyline is boring and has no bearing on the rest of the world. The same universal complaints (gasp) raised by readers in regards to ACoK. What's wrong with changing it up to make it more exciting?
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On May 07 2012 17:41 Unholy_Prince wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 17:36 -Archangel- wrote:If changes to Jon storyline don't end up with Quorin telling Jon to pretend he is a turncloak and then two of them fighting it out I will be really angry. WTF is with Dany storyline?! First we don't find out Daxos only wanted the Dragons and the whole marriage pack that lets Daxos get her dragons Then Undying steal her dragons while they actually only want her. Totally unnecessary changes. Her being desperate and going to them herself was good enough, there was no need for these changes. I am getting pissed more and more this season will so many changes. HBO writers are soon going to thing they can finish Martin's book for him The change is fine. It adds drama to Dany's plodding ACoK storyline. There's already been similar complaints from non-readers that Dany's storyline is boring and has no bearing on the rest of the world. The same universal complaints (gasp) raised by readers in regards to ACoK. What's wrong with changing it up to make it more exciting?
Because it changes the nature of Warlocks. It changes the nature of Dany coming to them. No, it is not OK.
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On May 07 2012 17:35 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 16:27 Zelniq wrote:oh god a character who was a pain to read in the books..should have remained an annoyance in the show? some of that is certainly there, but ..really? btw news flash not every book reader found her insufferable, there are plenty of dany fans. god if people are whining this much i can't imagine what will happen once they adapt feast/dance, which are the two weakest and most disappointing books. "no! the show is supposed to be terribly boring/painful like it was for the readers at certain points!" here's an extremely popular review of ADWD that only furthers my point: http://www.amazon.com/review/R10BNKO7FLCOB/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0553801473&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode= WTF man, how can you say Feast and ADWD were painfully boring? There were some boring chapters, mostly because some of the pov characters got too much attention, but they are awesome books and i loved them
ok re-reading that definitely sounds too harsh and it's not like i hated the books. i edited my post more accurately
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On May 07 2012 17:47 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 17:41 Unholy_Prince wrote:On May 07 2012 17:36 -Archangel- wrote:If changes to Jon storyline don't end up with Quorin telling Jon to pretend he is a turncloak and then two of them fighting it out I will be really angry. WTF is with Dany storyline?! First we don't find out Daxos only wanted the Dragons and the whole marriage pack that lets Daxos get her dragons Then Undying steal her dragons while they actually only want her. Totally unnecessary changes. Her being desperate and going to them herself was good enough, there was no need for these changes. I am getting pissed more and more this season will so many changes. HBO writers are soon going to thing they can finish Martin's book for him The change is fine. It adds drama to Dany's plodding ACoK storyline. There's already been similar complaints from non-readers that Dany's storyline is boring and has no bearing on the rest of the world. The same universal complaints (gasp) raised by readers in regards to ACoK. What's wrong with changing it up to make it more exciting? Because it changes the nature of Warlocks. It changes the nature of Dany coming to them. No, it is not OK.
not sure why im even bothering to respond given your post/ban/warning history but your post makes no sense as the book actually is the one that was strange when it came to the warlocks and why dany went there. i think most people would agree with Unholy_Prince here.
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On May 07 2012 17:47 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 17:41 Unholy_Prince wrote:On May 07 2012 17:36 -Archangel- wrote:If changes to Jon storyline don't end up with Quorin telling Jon to pretend he is a turncloak and then two of them fighting it out I will be really angry. WTF is with Dany storyline?! First we don't find out Daxos only wanted the Dragons and the whole marriage pack that lets Daxos get her dragons Then Undying steal her dragons while they actually only want her. Totally unnecessary changes. Her being desperate and going to them herself was good enough, there was no need for these changes. I am getting pissed more and more this season will so many changes. HBO writers are soon going to thing they can finish Martin's book for him The change is fine. It adds drama to Dany's plodding ACoK storyline. There's already been similar complaints from non-readers that Dany's storyline is boring and has no bearing on the rest of the world. The same universal complaints (gasp) raised by readers in regards to ACoK. What's wrong with changing it up to make it more exciting? Because it changes the nature of Warlocks. It changes the nature of Dany coming to them. No, it is not OK.
Why is that necessarily a bad thing? Is it better for the TV viewer to know the Warlocks are soul-sucking wizards as opposed to a group of people who want Dragons? Is Dany going there "lawls because I have nothing else to do" more dramatic television to an otherwise dull story than going there because they took her children?
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On May 07 2012 18:07 Unholy_Prince wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 17:47 -Archangel- wrote:On May 07 2012 17:41 Unholy_Prince wrote:On May 07 2012 17:36 -Archangel- wrote:If changes to Jon storyline don't end up with Quorin telling Jon to pretend he is a turncloak and then two of them fighting it out I will be really angry. WTF is with Dany storyline?! First we don't find out Daxos only wanted the Dragons and the whole marriage pack that lets Daxos get her dragons Then Undying steal her dragons while they actually only want her. Totally unnecessary changes. Her being desperate and going to them herself was good enough, there was no need for these changes. I am getting pissed more and more this season will so many changes. HBO writers are soon going to thing they can finish Martin's book for him The change is fine. It adds drama to Dany's plodding ACoK storyline. There's already been similar complaints from non-readers that Dany's storyline is boring and has no bearing on the rest of the world. The same universal complaints (gasp) raised by readers in regards to ACoK. What's wrong with changing it up to make it more exciting? Because it changes the nature of Warlocks. It changes the nature of Dany coming to them. No, it is not OK. Why is that necessarily a bad thing? Is it better for the TV viewer to know the Warlocks are soul-sucking wizards as opposed to a group of people who want Dragons? Is Dany going there "lawls because I have nothing else to do" more dramatic television to an otherwise dull story than going there because they took her children?
Either way, I've got to say, all these changes have been starting to get absurd. The first season was amazing at replicating the feel and story from the book. This season not so much. On a positive note, even though we haven't seen her outside of 1000 furs, Yiggrite looks hotter than I imagined her from reading XD
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On May 07 2012 10:57 1Eris1 wrote:
What the literal fuck? Argjhhhhh this episode made me pissed on so many levels.
Taking of Winterfell
Capture of Ygritte (seriously? Could they have made that any cheesier?)
Jeyne (thelesia???)
Rodrik being killed (where is Reek!!)
Amory (Did they drop vargo hoat?)
Myrcella crying (when it spefically mentions she doesn't)
Dothraki getting slaughtered/dragons getting stolen???
These changes made my piss fucking fire man. Why do they have to do so many changes when the book is good enough as it is?!?!
1. The taking of Winterfell and the lack of Reek was fucking stupid. That was a great chapter in the book, but they ruined it. What idiot would believe that Rodrik would get a message that the ironmen are attacking Winterfell and he would be like: "Damn I have to ride back alone, and kill them all, I don't need my 200 men to help me with the siege."
2. No Reeds. NO FUCKING REEDS. Seriously? I guess Hodor will have to have green dreams now, and how explain the by saying: "Hodor, hodor hodor hodor, hodor!"
3. Osha sleeping with Theon was unnecessary, but I can live with that, they just want to show tits, and it's better this way that to get 10 more minutes with the stupid whore from the North.
4. Jeyne wtf. Why are they putting her in now? Instead of showing her we could see Robb commanding his men more often perhaps. Who else wants to see more of the Umbers, Carstarks, Mormonts etc?
5. Why did they have to kill Amory? I guess we'll be missing the Goat and his gang, which means we won't get to see how Jaime loses his hand.
6. One thing they did good in this episode was the uprising at King's landing, I'll give them that. It was a great scene, even though Myrcella was crying and that was stupid.
7. The necromancers stealing the dragons? Are the writers joking? They didn't have to steal the dragons for Dany to have to go to their place. She was gonna do it anyway and with Drogon by her side. Now in this scenario the wise thing to do would be for her to muster up an army and attack their palace, but instead she's gonna be stupid about it and say something like: "They stole my dragons, and killed all those guards in the house, so now the only way to get them back is if I go alone and in some magical way I dream myself defeating them and it works."
Fucking stupid episode is all I have to say.
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On May 07 2012 15:55 Unholy_Prince wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.spikeflail.net/img/Eric%27sStuff/roflbot.jpg)
HAHAHAHAHAHA! That is so awesome.
I so want to show it to all my friends but I can't, cause they didn't read the books.
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On May 07 2012 19:35 Conti wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHA! That is so awesome. I so want to show it to all my friends but I can't, cause they didn't read the books.
I'm surprised you're the only one who commented on it. That picture's great!
This is probably my least favorite episode so far this season, but I still enjoyed it. It wasn't BAD, and I understand a lot of the changes.
I mean, Dany was boring as shit for the most part in ACOK. Although as someone said, they could have simply ONLY had the interesting bits and cut down on her scenes. God knows they could have used that time for more productive things.
I guess I'm fine either way, though. She's the prettiest face they've got, and they sort of have to use that.
I really like Bran's questoin to Theon: Did you hate us all this time?
I feel like that should have been asked in the books (it wasn't... right?)
Can't complain about other changes until I see how they pan out. ACOK set a lot of foundation that was important in later stories, and they seem to be skipping out on quite a bit of it. I'm afraid that 4-5 seasons down the line (assuming we all get that far) things will be way different because they've written themselves into a corner.
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Urgh! The series are getting worse, they keep changing too many things. The hard work is already done in the books, of establishing the dialogue and what happens to the characters, stick to it instead of failing while trying to change things! This one felt like a slap stick comedy, LOL at how he is going to tell Tywin then falls over with a fucking blow dart in his neck.
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I just watched the episode and immediately felt the urge to post how I hate the story changes to the Dany story.
But then I remembered how I disliked the story of her in the books and often found myself thinking "this is boring" when reading the Dany chapters. So... it's nice that the Dany parts in the series are not as boring to me.  Well done HBO!
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On May 07 2012 17:57 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 17:47 -Archangel- wrote:On May 07 2012 17:41 Unholy_Prince wrote:On May 07 2012 17:36 -Archangel- wrote:If changes to Jon storyline don't end up with Quorin telling Jon to pretend he is a turncloak and then two of them fighting it out I will be really angry. WTF is with Dany storyline?! First we don't find out Daxos only wanted the Dragons and the whole marriage pack that lets Daxos get her dragons Then Undying steal her dragons while they actually only want her. Totally unnecessary changes. Her being desperate and going to them herself was good enough, there was no need for these changes. I am getting pissed more and more this season will so many changes. HBO writers are soon going to thing they can finish Martin's book for him The change is fine. It adds drama to Dany's plodding ACoK storyline. There's already been similar complaints from non-readers that Dany's storyline is boring and has no bearing on the rest of the world. The same universal complaints (gasp) raised by readers in regards to ACoK. What's wrong with changing it up to make it more exciting? Because it changes the nature of Warlocks. It changes the nature of Dany coming to them. No, it is not OK. not sure why im even bothering to respond given your post/ban/warning history but your post makes no sense as the book actually is the one that was strange when it came to the warlocks and why dany went there. i think most people would agree with Unholy_Prince here.
First. 2 of those bans/warning were proper as I was out of line (and not even that for most forums I was even on), others were because of your attitude here. Because you people ban when you have a bad day and because of previous bans/warning. Once you get a ban on this forum all you mods become trigger friendly and treat us as guilty until proved innocent. Ok, enough off topic.
In book it made perfect sense. Warlocks were portrayed as non-violent and mysterious with a possibility of magical powers. Dany avoided them and only went to them as last resort and asking for their help. This lead to her having her guard down and almost losing everything.
Now they are dragon snatchers and murderers and Dany will go to them with murder in her eyes. If she now lets her guard down it will just be another stupid moment in the show where the screenwriters think they know better then Martin..
Edit: By reading here your theory of most people might not be as true.
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damn the tywin & arya scenes keep the series going for me in the last couple of episodes. I don't really care if that stuff is not in the book, HBO are making an adaptation, Peter Jackson changed plenty of stuff in the LOTR as well.
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Honestly, I think we need to say goodbye to the idea that the show will be a faithful adaption of the books. Maybe the writers did themselves a disservice by being so faithful to the book in Season 1, thereby giving us hope that things would stay that way.
But, realistically speaking, it's simply impossible to stay faithful to the ever increasing complexity of the books when you got 10 hours and a limited budget to tell your story. I think (and hope) that the big plot points of the books remain untouched (things like the Red Wedding, Dany's journey, Jon becoming Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, Tyrion being accused of Joffrey's death, etc.), but most everything else will become fair game. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Some things just cannot be translated from the books to the show. Take Robb's future wife, for instance. In the books he spontaneously appears one day, announcing his marriage to some girl we never heard before. How well do you think that would work on the show? How much do you think people would like that plot twist who did not read the books? It would come off as a cheap, arbitrary twist that just exists to create conflict where no conflict was before. We need to see Robb fall in love with that girl, we need to see him decide against his marriage vow and follow his heart, and that's why we need this change.
Another example is the shadow baby: The adaption was (mostly) faithful here, and the people who did not read the books complained that it seemed like cheating. There was no hint that Melisandre could spontaneously give birth to a shadow that would magically kill Renly and it came pretty much out of nowhere. It all made sense in the books, but on the show? It looks like a cheap writer's trick.
Admittedly, the show isn't as good as the books. But who seriously expected any different? When talking to my friends about the show (who did not read the books) they keep poking holes at the plot, and all I can reply is that it all makes perfect sense in the books. The show isn't perfect, but it's still damn fine television, and still the very best TV has to offer right now.
We need to stop looking at the show and say "This sucks because totally changes what happened in the books", or we're not going to enjoy the show any more and might as well stop watching it.
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On May 07 2012 20:10 disciple wrote:
damn the tywin & arya scenes keep the series going for me in the last couple of episodes. I don't really care if that stuff is not in the book, HBO are making an adaptation, Peter Jackson changed plenty of stuff in the LOTR as well.
One can change things in a story, but uh.. some of the stuff they are changing is actually important parts of the story in the later books. It feels like they think people cant follow a real story so its being dumbed down, which is really dissapointing.
The Dany changes are really annoying, even the chapters in the books not alot happens, you could probably just skim over it in the show without having to add rediculous plots to the story. I get the idea of the 'surgeon' prestory to help with Robb marrying her... but uh, its kind of silly the way they are going about it. Cat also wasnt in his military camp at that point.....Some of the other eps before there they had changed stuff and it didnt really bother me, but this one for whatever reason, they changed alot of things.... its sad.
More of a problem with them taking stuff out that were in the books and then adding some random crap to try and shorten the story than anything.
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On May 07 2012 20:20 LagLovah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 20:10 disciple wrote:
damn the tywin & arya scenes keep the series going for me in the last couple of episodes. I don't really care if that stuff is not in the book, HBO are making an adaptation, Peter Jackson changed plenty of stuff in the LOTR as well. One can change things in a story, but uh.. some of the stuff they are changing is actually important parts of the story in the later books. It feels like they think people cant follow a real story so its being dumbed down, which is really dissapointing. The Dany changes are really annoying, even the chapters in the books not alot happens, you could probably just skim over it in the show without having to add rediculous plots to the story. I get the idea of the 'surgeon' prestory to help with Robb marrying her... but uh, its kind of silly the way they are going about it. Cat also wasnt in his military camp at that point.....Some of the other eps before there they had changed stuff and it didnt really bother me, but this one for whatever reason, they changed alot of things.... its sad. More of a problem with them taking stuff out that were in the books and then adding some random crap to try and shorten the story than anything.
they had to put some more pace in Dany's story otherwise no one would care what happens with her until the adaptation of the 3rd book. Thats merely needed when you are making a TV show, the second book itself is in large centered around Tyrion and no serious action happens until the last third or so. Whats annoying for me is that they give each story line 2 minutes or so per episode, that hurts mostly Bran and Aryas story lines but thank god they give Sansa only 30 seconds per episode, her chapters in the book were a waste of time.
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Please dont forget that G. R. R. Martin himself is working with HBO on some parts of the show. He already announced some changes from the books.
I am confident that the show will have good content and a good story-line.
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Heh. Just wanted to share this gem from our friends in the spoiler-free thread:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 07 2012 21:00 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 20:54 Mentalizor wrote:The only thing "boring" in this episode was the scenes with Robb. But I bet there's a reason for those scenes to be there in the first place Well Robb is supposed to marry one of the Frays right? I hope he doesn't fuck it up.
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On May 07 2012 20:35 esperanto wrote:
Please dont forget that G. R. R. Martin himself is working with HBO on some parts of the show. He already announced some changes from the books.
I am confident that the show will have good content and a good story-line.
If I understood correctly he gets one episode per season to write the screenplay, everything else is only advisory role with no decision power.
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Oh this reflexive crying about changes from the books is making me sad. GRRM wouldn't allow them to do shitty changes, but he certainly realizes the necessity of making things cleaner and rewrite them for being a good tv adaption.
The writers have proven that their changes are appropriate, i trust them.
The Qarth scenes were the worst of Book2, so i appreciate that they're giving it some more spice. I enjoyed that so far.
Robbs scenes are the only weak spot
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