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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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cyberspace
Canada955 Posts
On May 07 2012 11:24 rasnj wrote: Ser Barristan the bold was an interesting element that helped flesh out the Sansa character, but he is not really needed in the tv shows. In the end he wasn't that important anyway. I feel her later interactions with littlefinger are much more interesting and they can make much better use of time by focusing on them. It is not like Sansa is relevant until then anyway. However I don't like how they are deviating with the dany and bran storylines. Without Reek and Osha (that was his sister's name right?) it seems like Bran and the viewers will very suddenly have to come to terms with his "powers". In the books it was clearly suggested over a long period that he may be special and have some powers, and it took a long time for him to come to terms with it. If he just suddenly can control Hodor and Summer, then it will seem like a Deus ex Machina and wholly uneccessary except for the purposes of following the books. Uh...what? You need to reread the books. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
Ugh so many unnecessary changes that are sure to piss those who have read the book, myself included. What's next, Jon getting captured without having to kill Qhorin? Jon will probably kill Qhorin to save Ygritte instead of doing it as part of Qhorin's plan... which if that happens will show me that HBO still doesn't and will never give a shit about making secondary or tertiary characters interesting, one of my favorite things about the books. Qhorin halfhand being a grizzled badass < Qhorin Halfhand being a smart, tricky grizzled badass. | ||
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Geosensation
United States256 Posts
Jon Snow and Ygritte, whatever it's a love story might as well be cheesy, doesn't ruin everything, although depending on how they deal with Qhorin Halfhand that could be pretty weak. I don't remember exactly how Arya spent her 3 lives from J'qen, but I have a feeling that was a deviation, I don't remember her having to just throw one away like that. If someone could remind/correct me, thanks. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
I miss complaining about eye colors. The increase in deviations from ep 2-4 of season 2 were eyebrow raising, the changes in 5 felt uncomfortable, and now it just isn't the A Storm of Swords translated to film but rather season two of Game of Thrones. I either have to think of it like that or the purist in me will end up disliking it, which isn't right since it is still good. I will say that at this point I think bragging about how true they are being to the books is a talking point they had better not attempt to sell it with anymore. That said... ...can't believe they are cutting the Reeds... or even to risk being a little irrational and overblowing it... ...can't believe they cut Daenerys Targaryen and who is this chick... To think earlier I was afraid they might do their character merge trick with Victarion and Euron and predicted disagreeing with the way it was done as if that was as much as should be expected. An important death not happening, or maybe a new one happening, seems like a next step up in degree of change. The naysayer-pessimist in me escalates my "worst change they might do" guess to not killing one or both of Robb and Cat, probably the latter since it could almost sort of fit from a certain point of view that a show writer might adopt, at the red wedding. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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Blackrobe
United States806 Posts
I am quickly losing interest in the series. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
too many characters so some characters who didnt make it this season will show up in future seasons shut the fuck up people. what does not make sense to you now will probably make sense later. or never if you dont use your brain. have you even thought about how ridiculous it is to adapt Clash in 10 episodes? in a tv format, without being able to look inside your POV's heads. dany whining? do you remember how much more boring her line was in CoK? the one incident she has is when she visits the house of the undying for no apparently good reason? cus now she's got one. people whining about shit that hasn't happened? jon snow won't kill qhorin? or he will kill qhorin but to save ygritte? here's a prediction: asoiaf fans will bitch and moan about fucking anything. if you don't like the show then you can just stop watching, then we won't have to read about everything we already fucking know they changed. oh, the blasphemy! the holy books have been tainted. grrm himself understands it having been a tv writer, go watch like any of his interviews. he likes some of the changes and realizes how impossible it is to adapt it exactly. or not and keep bitching at things the author himself wishes his fans would accept, whatever. | ||
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Unholy_Prince
62 Posts
Dany's arc actually gets some action in it instead of the boring mess it was in ACoK. What major plot point is exactly not being advanced with the changes made here? I think it's genious. | ||
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Fourn
Greece227 Posts
There's still 4 episodes left, I'm sure that they'll "fix" (not that I think it's broken) the Jon/Ygritte story line or whatever other story lines you think are "broken". And for those complaining about Osha's name change, I'm pretty sure someone important said in an interview that they changed her name since it sounded so similar to Asha and didn't want people to get confused. | ||
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Unholy_Prince
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Fourn
Greece227 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
Tyrion, the Hound and Jaqen definitely got more baller too. | ||
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Unholy_Prince
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Croatia7457 Posts
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eXNewB
Canada291 Posts
On May 07 2012 11:18 Beakyboo wrote: Then they totally redo the whole Osha scenario to get some more tits in there, which they seem very dependent on to keep the non book readers interested.. I'm sad to announce that most of my friends who havn't read this book ARE quite upset about the lack of titties  Good episode though I don't mind the changes. | ||
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moopie
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On May 07 2012 15:00 Blackrobe wrote: It may have been naive to of believed that the series would stick to the books... but this is bordering on a completely different story... I am quickly losing interest in the series. I'm also not a fan of some of the changes. Season 1 stayed true to the books for the most part, I was hoping the same would be true for the rest of the series. However, ACoK is simply too big to have been done in good detail in 10 episodes and with this budget. Certain substories and characters have to be cut. The show is clearly still very well done, we just have to readjust our expectations. What bothers me most are added scenes like Ros and the whorehouse earlier this season. I felt those scenes added very little and took up precious time. As for this episode: no reek "my bastard at the Dreadfort"  possibly changing the story of Jon/Qhorin I actually enjoyed TV Shae's scene for once. Also, I found it interesting that Baelish traveled from Storm's End to Harrenhall in such a short time (and will now be on his way to Highgarden, where he'll likely arrive next episode). Clearly Baelish got his hands on Shadowfax. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On May 07 2012 15:14 Zelniq wrote: they're not cutting the reeds just watch the fucking show too many characters so some characters who didnt make it this season will show up in future seasons shut the fuck up people. what does not make sense to you now will probably make sense later. or never if you dont use your brain Citing differences between the books and show and discussing them is stupidity now? Where was there ever a notion that the story does not make sense? There is no good reason to play rabid fanboy for the show and defensively decry any mention of differences between it and the books as if a slight against the show that must be countered. To do so in the thread for book related discussion is nonsense. There is another thread for those who would avoid discussion of content from the books. The Reeds may well still be introduced but delaying them into the time frame of book 3 in seasons 3/4 is a huge change that will inevitably paint Bran's development quite differently from what was in the books. It is an objective fact that they have been cut so far. In the books they showed up well before the fall of Winterfell. In the show they are nowhere to be seen and Bran et al. have escaped Winterfell. There is a chance they are on course to avoid one of the few plotholes from the books with these Dany alterations. Credit where it is due. Bravo. (Mopatis' ships and Belwas/Berristan arriving for her in Qarth when given the timeline and travel times involved he'd have had to have sent them from Pentos well before Khal Drogo died and she started through the red waste.) There is a lot to be said for making Dany's story in this period more interesting as well. In the books she was very idle, particularly with regards to things that translate to the screen, until into book 3 and some of that was coming through in early episodes of season 2. I think people had understandable reasons to start disliking her as can be seen in the other thread. Making XXD's attempt to steal her dragons overt rather than subtle is also an understandable need for the book to screen translation. Her story from once she leaves the city can very easily regroup with the books. The net difference all told is likely to be that she leaves Qarth in a state of war with the city-state rather than their differences leading to war later. Also on good changes, handmaids being dead is great. Any fewer instances of counsel for Dany that consists of "<primitive wives tales>, it is known." is less cringing and hair ripping out for me. | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
tywin + arya how awesome is this scene again arya + littlefinger runin again kept me on my toes, the more changes from the books, the more interesting this show is (and should be for readers) who'd rather have something more unpredictable than just the books in a picture format osha's seduction + freeing of bran/hodor/rickon/wolves talisa + robb is better than someone who comes out of nowhere because robb never gets a POV. think about it i loved arya's use of her 2nd kill, of course unexpected for us readers and more interesting than Weese who wasn't worth being in the show. also, from the Arya's wiki: Whilst trying to figure out the last name to say, she realises she should have said Tywin's name or Amory Lorch. roose sending his son instead of robb, sure would have been nice to see the reek/theon start but there's only so much time they have as you can see by how rushed everything felt. speaking of how rushed, it does feel odd to i think all viewers that things happen at one end of westeros and the next season is the other end of it knowing about it. littlefinger jumping everywhere like he has a private jet.. but I mean I guess what can they do, once again the 10 ep format is brutal | ||
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