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Ok episode thoughts!
1) Tickler dying I'm "ok" with. There are other people she can kill in an inn that she might hate, but I will miss the power of that scene.
2) What I'm actually annoyed with here is that really she "squanders" her first two kills. She picks mean people, not those that matter and it becomes an important lesson for her which leads to her third 'wish'. Tickler sort of fits this, but I can't see how she won't pick Tywin Lannister for the next one since no other characters were really introduced. I feel like regular viewers won't get it.
3) By god Dany scenes are weak. Saw the preview for next week and blah. There's no mystery or interest perpetuated even though it's highly likely they'll probably dramatically rework her story. So they've reworked them to be more uninteresting imo =/
4) No Reeds =(. Goodbye Bran subplots and the Reeds who are potentially key components of the series. I guess I can still hope they'll randomly appear next episode? =S
5) I like the Halfhand, he's how I imagined him.
6) Sam "in love" is odd though.
7) Quaithe I imagined to be more mysterious. And I felt like the mask would be like a proper wooden mask, not whatever that odd thing is. Did anyone feel like they went out of their way to show she had breasts too? =/
8) Renly's death. Yeah ok, it was meant to be out of nowhere, but they also managed to make it so anticlimactic.
9) Which is probably in part that Brienne and the Tyrells are, in my eyes, pretty wooden actors. I don't feel they convey emotion terribly well. Loras' rage is also misplaced...
10) Still no RiverRun, hoping it will come in later at least.
11) Stannis v Davos scene was great. I'm beginning to like their interactions more and more.
12) Arya + Jaqen scenes were overall good though. But am I misremembering, because I never thought he said "the red god" in the books. Are they also consolidating gods? =P
I think that's everything. This felt like the weakest episode of the season so far. I'm not a book purist, but some decisions do feel odd having read the books and seen where things are going. At least they didn't put in a throwaway scene of a red headed whore just for the sake of it...
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On May 01 2012 08:55 bittman wrote:
I think that's everything. This felt like the weakest episode of the season so far. I'm not a book purist, but some decisions do feel odd having read the books and seen where things are going. At least they didn't put in a throwaway scene of a red headed whore just for the sake of it...
This i can agree with, film is a different medium so things will change in an adaptation, it is unavoidable and natural. But the whore getting so much screentime is beyond me. Iirc shes not in the books, she adds no function to the main plot. Instead of her we could get some decent character development which they have to scrap all the time since its only 10 episodes.
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On May 01 2012 08:55 bittman wrote:
12) Arya + Jaqen scenes were overall good though. But am I misremembering, because I never thought he said "the red god" in the books. Are they also consolidating gods? =P
He did say "Red God" it in the books. The Many Faced god encompasses all death gods so he can use Red God/Drowned God/Stranger/God of Death interchangeably. Here he chooses the "red god" because of the association with fire.
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On May 01 2012 09:16 scudst0rm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 08:55 bittman wrote:
12) Arya + Jaqen scenes were overall good though. But am I misremembering, because I never thought he said "the red god" in the books. Are they also consolidating gods? =P
He did say "Red God" it in the books. The Many Faced god encompasses all death gods so he can use Red God/Drowned God/Stranger/God of Death interchangeably. Here he chooses the "red god" because of the association with fire.
Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up! Makes sense since if Arya hadn't saved them they would have been burned in the cart.
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On May 01 2012 08:55 bittman wrote:
Ok episode thoughts!
1) Tickler dying I'm "ok" with. There are other people she can kill in an inn that she might hate, but I will miss the power of that scene.
2) What I'm actually annoyed with here is that really she "squanders" her first two kills. She picks mean people, not those that matter and it becomes an important lesson for her which leads to her third 'wish'. Tickler sort of fits this, but I can't see how she won't pick Tywin Lannister for the next one since no other characters were really introduced. I feel like regular viewers won't get it.
3) By god Dany scenes are weak. Saw the preview for next week and blah. There's no mystery or interest perpetuated even though it's highly likely they'll probably dramatically rework her story. So they've reworked them to be more uninteresting imo =/
4) No Reeds =(. Goodbye Bran subplots and the Reeds who are potentially key components of the series. I guess I can still hope they'll randomly appear next episode? =S
5) I like the Halfhand, he's how I imagined him.
6) Sam "in love" is odd though.
7) Quaithe I imagined to be more mysterious. And I felt like the mask would be like a proper wooden mask, not whatever that odd thing is. Did anyone feel like they went out of their way to show she had breasts too? =/
8) Renly's death. Yeah ok, it was meant to be out of nowhere, but they also managed to make it so anticlimactic.
9) Which is probably in part that Brienne and the Tyrells are, in my eyes, pretty wooden actors. I don't feel they convey emotion terribly well. Loras' rage is also misplaced...
10) Still no RiverRun, hoping it will come in later at least.
11) Stannis v Davos scene was great. I'm beginning to like their interactions more and more.
12) Arya + Jaqen scenes were overall good though. But am I misremembering, because I never thought he said "the red god" in the books. Are they also consolidating gods? =P
I think that's everything. This felt like the weakest episode of the season so far. I'm not a book purist, but some decisions do feel odd having read the books and seen where things are going. At least they didn't put in a throwaway scene of a red headed whore just for the sake of it...
4) Reeds were not cast this season. Now that bran is acting as the green seer i dont see them being introduced at all even next season
10) No riverun either. Most likely no Edmure nor the blackfish
all your other points i agree with
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If no Reeds then how is Bran getting to the north side of the wall?
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I am fine with all the changes they are making plot/character wise, having read the books all multiple times I find it interesting. But I hate hate hate the tone the show is taking with the mysterious and magical. The dragon was fine but both the shadow/Renly scene and the Pyat Pree scene felt like some Harry Potter movie outtake. Things need to be more dark, raw, intense and creepy not wispywisp whoosh whoa. Blood should have been spraying in that tent and the Pyat Pree scene would have been soo much better with this vibe+ Show Spoiler +.
Also Quaith is the first time what they have shown has been completely irreconcilable with what I imagined. I always pictured her closer to this + Show Spoiler + than a bedazzled Mexican wrestler. She didnt look mysterious at all, just goofy.
And where were the titties this episode? Dany changes her clothes and I don't get to see it? WTF HBO
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On May 01 2012 12:51 unkkz wrote:
If no Reeds then how is Bran getting to the north side of the wall?
I am guessing it will be him Osha and HODOR, and then prolly the Maester takes Rikon with him
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On May 01 2012 08:11 scudst0rm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 07:55 Zeon0 wrote:
who was the masked woman who spoke to Jorah? do i just not remember her cause she was not important or is she not in the books? She was one of the 3 that came to bring Dany to Qarth. They have a few interactions in Qarth where she does some prophecizing. She appears in one of Dany's dreams in ASOS when she's on the boat. She appears to Dany in a garden In Meereen and warns her about a bunch of stuff.
Come to think of it, this is the first time that Quaithe has interacted with someone other than Dany
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- Is it known wether the Kettleblacks have been cast? Iirc they should enter the story shortly after Myrcella is sent to Dorne, (Osmund takes the place of Preston Greenfield, right?) and with them being the key to Cersei's downfall later I hope they're not merged into other characters.
- About Quaithe only interacting with Dany, did we never see anyone else acknowledging her existance in the books? Been a while since I read them. The last time we saw her, on the balcony in Meereen, Missandei could not see her so I was kind of wondering if Quaithe was a manifestation of Daenerys imagination/dreams etc. Of course, seeing her talk to Jorah doesn't necessarily mean Quaithe is there "in the flesh", it could still be an illusion or a trick.
- Minor characters being skipped or postponed: The Reeds and wether Osha can fill their shoes has been discussed to death, but what do you guys think will happen to the Brotherhood Without Banners? Will Arya & co be discovered by Lem/Anguy/Tom and taken to the Inn? Will they run into Beric and Thoros immediately? Pretty sure the show will give names to only a handful of the companions, tops, probably Harwin since Arya recognizes him.
- With no Weese in the show, who will be Arya's second name? The Brave Companions should show up at Harrenhal just before Boltons men are "caught", possibly one of them?
- TV series only: Tywin Lannister just caught his new serving girl telling a lie straight to his face, in front of all his advisors. A northerner, lieing not only about where she's from but also disguised as a boy, why would he trust her? Why would he not punish or execute her on the spot for the lie, if nothing else only to keep his hard image in front of his war council? Also, since Arya eventually became Roose Bolton's cupbearer, do you think we'll see a change in the storytelling here? It would seem odd to have the prison break and change of ownership of the castle and then just have Arya return to her previous job but for a different lord. :p
- Was it ever mentioned that Qhorin and his men came from the Shadow Tower? I can't recall if the TV series even mentioned Mormont planning on meeting up with brothers from another castle. I can see non-readers thinking Qhorin and the news Night's Watch members being the ones the NW set out to find (i.e. Benjen and other M.I.A. rangers)
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On May 02 2012 03:49 Shichibukai wrote:- Is it known wether the Kettleblacks have been cast? Iirc they should enter the story shortly after Myrcella is sent to Dorne, (Osmund takes the place of Preston Greenfield, right?) and with them being the key to Cersei's downfall later I hope they're not merged into other characters.
- About Quaithe only interacting with Dany, did we never see anyone else acknowledging her existance in the books? Been a while since I read them. The last time we saw her, on the balcony in Meereen, Missandei could not see her so I was kind of wondering if Quaithe was a manifestation of Daenerys imagination/dreams etc. Of course, seeing her talk to Jorah doesn't necessarily mean Quaithe is there "in the flesh", it could still be an illusion or a trick.
- Minor characters being skipped or postponed: The Reeds and wether Osha can fill their shoes has been discussed to death, but what do you guys think will happen to the Brotherhood Without Banners? Will Arya & co be discovered by Lem/Anguy/Tom and taken to the Inn? Will they run into Beric and Thoros immediately? Pretty sure the show will give names to only a handful of the companions, tops, probably Harwin since Arya recognizes him.
- With no Weese in the show, who will be Arya's second name? The Brave Companions should show up at Harrenhal just before Boltons men are "caught", possibly one of them?
- TV series only: Tywin Lannister just caught his new serving girl telling a lie straight to his face, in front of all his advisors. A northerner, lieing not only about where she's from but also disguised as a boy, why would he trust her? Why would he not punish or execute her on the spot for the lie, if nothing else only to keep his hard image in front of his war council? Also, since Arya eventually became Roose Bolton's cupbearer, do you think we'll see a change in the storytelling here? It would seem odd to have the prison break and change of ownership of the castle and then just have Arya return to her previous job but for a different lord. :p
- Was it ever mentioned that Qhorin and his men came from the Shadow Tower? I can't recall if the TV series even mentioned Mormont planning on meeting up with brothers from another castle. I can see non-readers thinking Qhorin and the news Night's Watch members being the ones the NW set out to find (i.e. Benjen and other M.I.A. rangers)
- No idea.
- I think so? While they were in Qarth, did she not approach them all and advise them to go to Asshai? I know she shows up a few times to Dany only, but I think she made a public appearence before too.
- I actually think Osha can do quite well. I quite like this actress. She's doing a good job. I do hope that the Reeds get introduced eventually, though. I liked them a lot and they seem to be very important to the story. Them NOT being included makes me wonder what that means for the books. :/ Are we overestimating their worth? As for the BWB, they'll probably be randomly mentioned a few times before we finally meet up with them. Most of them will probably be like the Watch. Nameless individuals in the background who only observant book readers will realy notice.
- *shrug*
- It's fine that she lied. She's doing it for her own saftey. He knows that. "Smart girl," he said, when she told him that it's safter to be dressed up as a boy. And as far as he knows, she's a commoner. Why would he murder a 12 year old girl? What kind of image is he keeping by doing so? She told the truth when he asked. It's not like she's a threat (well... that might not be true but it would be silly of him to think otherwise). As for her keeping her job... thats probably exactly what'll happen.
- I don't think so, but I apparently miss a lot of dialogue. I have no recollection of the Shadow Tower ever being mentioned.
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On May 02 2012 03:49 Shichibukai wrote:
[*]TV series only: Tywin Lannister just caught his new serving girl telling a lie straight to his face, in front of all his advisors. A northerner, lieing not only about where she's from but also disguised as a boy, why would he trust her? Why would he not punish or execute her on the spot for the lie, if nothing else only to keep his hard image in front of his war council? Also, since Arya eventually became Roose Bolton's cupbearer, do you think we'll see a change in the storytelling here? It would seem odd to have the prison break and change of ownership of the castle and then just have Arya return to her previous job but for a different lord. :p
My guess is that it's just never going to happen. Bolton will probably not occupy Harrenhal at all. The viewers will likely get a sense of Bolton's treachery in other ways.
Arya will probably just escape when Tywin moves out. Hell, they might even cut the Brave Companions completely.
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On May 02 2012 10:16 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:49 Shichibukai wrote:
[*]TV series only: Tywin Lannister just caught his new serving girl telling a lie straight to his face, in front of all his advisors. A northerner, lieing not only about where she's from but also disguised as a boy, why would he trust her? Why would he not punish or execute her on the spot for the lie, if nothing else only to keep his hard image in front of his war council? Also, since Arya eventually became Roose Bolton's cupbearer, do you think we'll see a change in the storytelling here? It would seem odd to have the prison break and change of ownership of the castle and then just have Arya return to her previous job but for a different lord. :p
My guess is that it's just never going to happen. Bolton will probably not occupy Harrenhal at all. The viewers will likely get a sense of Bolton's treachery in other ways. Arya will probably just escape when Tywin moves out. Hell, they might even cut the Brave Companions completely.
And what have the brotherhood cut off Jamie hand? Or just not cut off his hand.
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On May 02 2012 10:16 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:49 Shichibukai wrote:
[*]TV series only: Tywin Lannister just caught his new serving girl telling a lie straight to his face, in front of all his advisors. A northerner, lieing not only about where she's from but also disguised as a boy, why would he trust her? Why would he not punish or execute her on the spot for the lie, if nothing else only to keep his hard image in front of his war council? Also, since Arya eventually became Roose Bolton's cupbearer, do you think we'll see a change in the storytelling here? It would seem odd to have the prison break and change of ownership of the castle and then just have Arya return to her previous job but for a different lord. :p
My guess is that it's just never going to happen. Bolton will probably not occupy Harrenhal at all. The viewers will likely get a sense of Bolton's treachery in other ways. Arya will probably just escape when Tywin moves out. Hell, they might even cut the Brave Companions completely.
They better not, the goat needs his thapphireth.
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On May 02 2012 10:39 moopie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 10:16 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 02 2012 03:49 Shichibukai wrote:
[*]TV series only: Tywin Lannister just caught his new serving girl telling a lie straight to his face, in front of all his advisors. A northerner, lieing not only about where she's from but also disguised as a boy, why would he trust her? Why would he not punish or execute her on the spot for the lie, if nothing else only to keep his hard image in front of his war council? Also, since Arya eventually became Roose Bolton's cupbearer, do you think we'll see a change in the storytelling here? It would seem odd to have the prison break and change of ownership of the castle and then just have Arya return to her previous job but for a different lord. :p
My guess is that it's just never going to happen. Bolton will probably not occupy Harrenhal at all. The viewers will likely get a sense of Bolton's treachery in other ways. Arya will probably just escape when Tywin moves out. Hell, they might even cut the Brave Companions completely. They better not, the goat needs his thapphireth.
jaime also needs his sword hand chopped off...
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Brienne also has to fight a mother fucking bear. Thats too good of a scene to cut out.... I hope.
Oh and I found out who wins the Iron Throne
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eqHZs.jpg) terran imba
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On May 02 2012 11:49 Flik wrote:Brienne also has to fight a mother fucking bear. Thats too good of a scene to cut out.... I hope. Oh and I found out who wins the Iron Throne + Show Spoiler +terran imba
OH SHIT I forgot about that. If they cut THAT out I'mma be pissed.
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On May 02 2012 03:49 Shichibukai wrote:
TV series only: Tywin Lannister just caught his new serving girl telling a lie straight to his face, in front of all his advisors. A northerner, lieing not only about where she's from but also disguised as a boy, why would he trust her? Why would he not punish or execute her on the spot for the lie, if nothing else only to keep his hard image in front of his war council? Also, since Arya eventually became Roose Bolton's cupbearer, do you think we'll see a change in the storytelling here? It would seem odd to have the prison break and change of ownership of the castle and then just have Arya return to her previous job but for a different lord. :p
Tywin isn't Joffrey. He doesn't just off someone's head for one little thing. And plus it shows weakness in front of his lords/family for killing some defenseless little girl who *might* have issued a verbal threat. The lie is also perfectly reasonable, any northerner would try to save their own hide by hiding their identity (given that the northerners and Lannisters don't exactly get along) and Tywin fully expected her to lie.
The entirety of that scene was played perfectly by both actors. Loved the way Tywin pushed his food away in disgust afterwards.
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Yeah I agree Renly's death was not well done. I remember having to go back into that chapter to see that he was really dead. I was expecting Renly to go lolownage for a bit first.
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On May 02 2012 14:59 ballasdontcry wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:49 Shichibukai wrote:
TV series only: Tywin Lannister just caught his new serving girl telling a lie straight to his face, in front of all his advisors. A northerner, lieing not only about where she's from but also disguised as a boy, why would he trust her? Why would he not punish or execute her on the spot for the lie, if nothing else only to keep his hard image in front of his war council? Also, since Arya eventually became Roose Bolton's cupbearer, do you think we'll see a change in the storytelling here? It would seem odd to have the prison break and change of ownership of the castle and then just have Arya return to her previous job but for a different lord. :p
Tywin isn't Joffrey. He doesn't just off someone's head for one little thing. And plus it shows weakness in front of his lords/family for killing some defenseless little girl who *might* have issued a verbal threat. The lie is also perfectly reasonable, any northerner would try to save their own hide by hiding their identity (given that the northerners and Lannisters don't exactly get along) and Tywin fully expected her to lie. The entirety of that scene was played perfectly by both actors. Loved the way Tywin pushed his food away in disgust afterwards.
Yes, and Tywin uses her to prove a point to his captains, bit like Socrates, asking simple questions from random slaves / common boys in a way so they say out loud the conclusion he wanted to say. (or was that Platon, idk). He wanted to show, that Robb Stark can and should be killed off rather than being crushed in a battle.
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