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These changes are retarded. Why would they bother wasting so much screen time on Robb/random love interest when they can just skip showing all of it like they did in the books and have Robb marry Jeyne out of the blue. This whole "woman of noble birth who for some reason is doing grunt work on the field" shit doesn't make any sense at all.
The Jon/Ygritte storyline looks like a clusterfuck as well. Jon is supposed to let Ygritte go and in return she becomes grateful, which is why he gets to join the wildlings later. Instead we get 1 minute of Ygritte rubbing her ass on Jon's crotch...wtf. The motives and character relationships are being twisted around and not in a good way. It is gonna suck if they mess up the Jon/Qhorin dynamic, that was one of my favourite parts of book 2.
Hope HBO aren't dropping the ball because it sure as hell looks like they are. I don't mind changes to the story because of time constraints, or if the changes improve the story. For example the Arya scenes seem to fit alright despite the removal of major players (vargo hoat). But they need to stop adding in scenes that are completely unnecessary.
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On May 07 2012 16:06 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2012 15:14 Zelniq wrote:
they're not cutting the reeds just watch the fucking show
too many characters so some characters who didnt make it this season will show up in future seasons
shut the fuck up people. what does not make sense to you now will probably make sense later. or never if you dont use your brain Citing differences between the books and show and discussing them is stupidity now? Where was there ever a notion that the story does not make sense? There is no good reason to play rabid fanboy for the show and defensively decry any mention of differences between it and the books as if a slight against the show that must be countered. To do so in the thread for book related discussion is nonsense. There is another thread for those who would avoid discussion of content from the books. The Reeds may well still be introduced but delaying them into the time frame of book 3 in seasons 3/4 is a huge change that will inevitably paint Bran's development quite differently from what was in the books. It is an objective fact that they have been cut so far. In the books they showed up well before the fall of Winterfell. In the show they are nowhere to be seen and Bran et al. have escaped Winterfell. There is a chance they are on course to avoid one of the few plotholes from the books with these Dany alterations. Credit where it is due. Bravo. (Mopatis' ships and Belwas/Berristan arriving for her in Qarth when given the timeline and travel times involved he'd have had to have sent them from Pentos well before Khal Drogo died and she started through the red waste.) There is a lot to be said for making Dany's story in this period more interesting as well. In the books she was very idle, particularly with regards to things that translate to the screen, until into book 3 and some of that was coming through in early episodes of season 2. I think people had understandable reasons to start disliking her as can be seen in the other thread. Making XXD's attempt to steal her dragons overt rather than subtle is also an understandable need for the book to screen translation. Her story from once she leaves the city can very easily regroup with the books. The net difference all told is likely to be that she leaves Qarth in a state of war with the city-state rather than their differences leading to war later. Also on good changes, handmaids being dead is great. Any fewer instances of counsel for Dany that consists of "<primitive wives tales>, it is known." is less cringing and hair ripping out for me.
i also miss the reeds and was really disheartened when i heard they weren't cast, so im really hoping they make up for it somehow later, but osha's been more interesting in the show which is quite a nice change. btw is nobody else unhappy they haven't mentioned the brynden the blackfish? another character some book fans were upset wasn't cast, and we're not sure he ever will be. but there are just too many freakin characters right now, i think new viewers' heads are spinning already just look at how much they have to follow without all the backstory, info, written material we get.
i personally like how one thing the show can do is show us things we never got to see because the books were always constrained to the POV format. so things like stannis + melisandre doing it was definitely heavily implied in the books if you read carefully but many many readers missed it and thought hbo just added that in, they were wrong. jeyne marrying robb out of the blue was kinda annoying personally and they are definitely trying to expand robb's role more, which will only make the red wedding hurt even more, and also make more sense to viewers. i don't see anything wrong with this.
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On May 07 2012 16:06 Irrelevant Label wrote:
There is a lot to be said for making Dany's story in this period more interesting as well. In the books she was very idle, particularly with regards to things that translate to the screen, until into book 3 and some of that was coming through in early episodes of season 2. I think people had understandable reasons to start disliking her as can be seen in the other thread.
Yeah, adding more drama to Dany's story isn't necessarily a bad thing, her story is quite boring for a while (and even after imo). That said, people should dislike her, her character is insufferable.
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oh god a character who was a pain to read in the books..should have remained an annoyance in the show? some of that is certainly there, but ..really? btw news flash not every book reader found her insufferable, there are plenty of dany fans.
god if people are whining this much i can't imagine what will happen once they adapt feast/dance, which are edit: two weakest books of the series. not to say they were bad or anything, just felt like grrm didn't really have much inspiration for a lot of what went on in the books. and watching tyrion, jon, and dany's characters, 3 of the most loved characters left, go through some pretty awful changes from their previous personalities (see ASoS, and read the review below) was indeed pretty painful
here's an extremely popular /entertaining fan review of ADWD that only furthers my point:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R10BNKO7FLCOB/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0553801473&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=
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Season 2 looking good.. love the hard work they are putting into the series. I can enjoy the small changes to the story lines as long as they dont show any more Baelish's porn scenes!
ps. Joeffrey's slap/cowpie too good.
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I was kinda bummed out, I wish I had more book to read but I finished with them all, and the series is almost a different product
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I can see why they don't include Reek (the original one), because frankly that whole part of CoK was confusing as hell for me. Specifically the part where Ramsay reveals himself to Theon and explains how he and Reek switched clothes so Reek was killed and he was imprisoned as Reek. And then they would have needed to add the whole story about Ramsay and Lady Hornwood, the warrant for his arrest, and him coming back and being imprisioned.
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i'd just like to add in how fucking awesome is Tywin's character in the show? charles dance is doing a fantastic job and it's always fun every scene he's in, which is a lot. i wonder how they're going to spin it around when it comes to the end of ASOS and everyone's favorite dwarf has to kill both shae and tywin. tywin has to die at tyrion's hands it's too important a change from the books. i guess shae and tywin together will make things easier for her death as well. she's also quite annoying "shae the stupid whore" in the show thus far.
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On May 07 2012 16:30 scudst0rm wrote:
I can see why they don't include Reek (the original one), because frankly that whole part of CoK was confusing as hell for me. Specifically the part where Ramsay reveals himself to Theon and explains how he and Reek switched clothes so Reek was killed and he was imprisoned as Reek. And then they would have needed to add the whole story about Ramsay and Lady Hornwood, the warrant for his arrest, and him coming back and being imprisioned.
The reason I like this book series so much is how you have to be really engaged to unravel it all. I'm tried of 'hero, problem, problem solved' type books.
edit: @ Zelniq, I love Tywin in the series. I was not so much a fan of him in the books. I haven't been watching season 2 but I want to see if they cast Strong Belwas, and how they will do the mercenaries of the free cities (name eludes me, there are severak groups)
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On May 07 2012 16:30 scudst0rm wrote:
I can see why they don't include Reek (the original one), because frankly that whole part of CoK was confusing as hell for me. Specifically the part where Ramsay reveals himself to Theon and explains how he and Reek switched clothes so Reek was killed and he was imprisoned as Reek. And then they would have needed to add the whole story about Ramsay and Lady Hornwood, the warrant for his arrest, and him coming back and being imprisioned.
This
They gave Dany a motivation to go to the House of the Undying
They gave Jon a massive character dilemma and situation dilemma
They made Robb's 'marriage' (if it comes to that) less sporadic. They also show why Robb is loved so much by his people.
Arya's kills make more sense as opposed to introducing Weese, then killing him within one episode essentially
The riot scene was a bit downplayed (Dinklage's voice wasn't really carrying) but the cowpie and slap made up for that.
People need to stop posting every single book/show difference after every fucking episode, that was awesome
+ Show Spoiler +Though I am disappointed about Jojen and Meera
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On May 07 2012 16:43 Zelniq wrote:
i'd just like to add in how fucking awesome is Tywin's character in the show? charles dance is doing a fantastic job and it's always fun every scene he's in, which is a lot. i wonder how they're going to spin it around when it comes to the end of ASOS and everyone's favorite dwarf has to kill both shae and tywin. tywin has to die at tyrion's hands it's too important a change from the books. i guess shae and tywin together will make things easier for her death as well. she's also quite annoying "shae the stupid whore" in the show thus far.
I thought Tywin was one of the best characters in the books and Charles Dance is really helping that shine through.
They're going to have to do a really good job explaining the backstory behind Tywin and Tyrion in season 3 / 4, otherwise show watchers are going to think of his death as a tragedy on the same level as Ned and Robb. The whole set of dynamics in the Lannister family is just excellent, but hard to get across in the show.
Edit for a few thoughts on S02E06 -
1. The opening scene with Theon was fucking great. Allen has a really difficult character to play, and because of that I don't think he's an especially strong performer this season, but that part of the episode is one of the highlights of the season for me.
2. I found it kind of hard to maintain suspension of disbelief when they showed Ygritte. She's supposed to be a wildling, but with a change of clothes she wouldn't look or sound out of place with the ladies at King's Landing. I don't know, I always pictured the wildlings as a bit rougher.
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Sophie Turner's really having to act some horrible stuff out for a 15 y/o girl this season. Been beaten up in public and almost gangraped in an alley. Quite the crash course.
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1. The opening scene with Theon was fucking great. Allen has a really difficult character to play, and because of that I don't think he's an especially strong performer this season, but that part of the episode is one of the highlights of the season for me.
I think the Actor portrays the awkwardness of Theon well. He tries to come off big and bad and just sounds ridiculous, because he secretly is in way over his head. I think it's perfect.
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Is it weird that the only change that really bothered me was the way Bran and Rickon escaped? I thought that was a huge part of Theon and his character that he didn't kill them. It made him almost sympathetic. Now, he's just a basic douchebag that you hate without any real connection.
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On May 07 2012 17:18 maliceee wrote:
Is it weird that the only change that really bothered me was the way Bran and Rickon escaped? I thought that was a huge part of Theon and his character that he didn't kill them. It made him almost sympathetic. Now, he's just a basic douchebag that you hate without any real connection.
They escape in the book too, there's still a few episodes left for the events you are thinking of to play out.
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yeah and the look theon had when he was yelling at rodrik..tearing up a bit, hating himself, and not really believing what he was saying. went along nicely with the lines "Gods help you Theon Greyjoy, for you are truly lost." and the lack of any response when bran asked "Tell me theon, did you truly hate us all these years?
alfie's doing a perfect job with him. i can't wait till see him as reek, as disturbing as it was
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On May 07 2012 16:11 jigga wrote:
The Jon/Ygritte storyline looks like a clusterfuck as well. Jon is supposed to let Ygritte go and in return she becomes grateful, which is why he gets to join the wildlings later. Instead we get 1 minute of Ygritte rubbing her ass on Jon's crotch...wtf. The motives and character relationships are being twisted around and not in a good way.
do you and the other/s who complained about this scene not remember how when you 'steal' a wildling girl, you're all but married to her? jon practically proposed to ygritte right there. plus, she's quite aware of the celibacy vows the black bastards all have to take, and with her personality (from the books), as well as how wildlings are raised to hate and think of the watch as the enemy, doesn't it make sense for her to torture/tease him that way?
edit: just realized people are legitimately worried that jon and qhorin won't meet up again. this basically never occurred to me, i completely expect with how they set things up that jon and qhorin will still reunite, without ygritte (probably letting her go before they meet), and the entire epic sequence between them will still occur. there's way too much reason that it must happen. 1. he seems like a deserter if he doesnt. 2. does not prove himself at all to any of the wildlings. 3. misses out on a brilliant and epic moment, it's the final awesome scene of ACoK iirc.
i think the producers just wanted to get a bit more of the whole ygritte + jon relationship in before the season ended.
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On May 07 2012 16:27 Zelniq wrote:oh god a character who was a pain to read in the books..should have remained an annoyance in the show? some of that is certainly there, but ..really? btw news flash not every book reader found her insufferable, there are plenty of dany fans. god if people are whining this much i can't imagine what will happen once they adapt feast/dance, which are the two weakest and most disappointing books. "no! the show is supposed to be terribly boring/painful like it was for the readers at certain points!" here's an extremely popular review of ADWD that only furthers my point: http://www.amazon.com/review/R10BNKO7FLCOB/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0553801473&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=
WTF man, how can you say Feast and ADWD were painfully boring? There were some boring chapters, mostly because some of the pov characters got too much attention, but they are awesome books and i loved them
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If changes to Jon storyline don't end up with Quorin telling Jon to pretend he is a turncloak and then two of them fighting it out I will be really angry.
WTF is with Dany storyline?! First we don't find out Daxos only wanted the Dragons and the whole marriage pact that lets Daxos get her dragons 
Then Undying steal her dragons while they actually only want her. Totally unnecessary changes. Her being desperate and going to them herself was good enough, there was no need for these changes.
I am getting pissed more and more this season will so many changes. HBO writers are soon going to thing they can finish Martin's book for him
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The other GoT thread is hilarious. Haven't seen the new ep yet. Don't like reading about all the changes though. =/
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