Team Liquid Discussion - Page 306

On September 20 2018 23:52 juuto wrote:
What exactly did Liquid accomplish last season that's so good that they can just not care about a Major qualifier? OG earned their right to sit this one out because they actually won TI, what did Liquid do? Get 2-0'd by LGD and EG?

The only team not taking this shit seriously are the TI winners. EG, LGD, and everyone else is taking it seriously.

On September 20 2018 23:52 juuto wrote:
What exactly did Liquid accomplish last season that's so good that they can just not care about a Major qualifier? OG earned their right to sit this one out because they actually won TI, what did Liquid do? Get 2-0'd by LGD and EG?

The only team not taking this shit seriously are the TI winners. EG, LGD, and everyone else is taking it seriously.

On September 20 2018 23:57 NInoff wrote:


After wining TI they remained in top form. If you think about it thats quite an achievement. To be hungry for more after wining TI.Other teams failed to do it.
OG earned the right to be called TI champions, because they've won it. I like the team, but to be called a top tier team, they have to perform in the next patch. But here we care about Liquid more, and i am not worried at all. If the boys want to rest they deserve it.

On September 20 2018 20:58 NInoff wrote:


It is time that you understand how top teams play. They don't care about qualifiers, minors or even majors. They can draft / play clowny until the very last chance they have - then they dominate. Problem with that is that opponents are usually good and sometimes they play their best and beat you. Even if that happens its ok. Doesn't matter.
You are talking like Liquid gathered to play togheter like 2 months ago. And we are still determening if they have synergy.
Liquid got the best results in Dota since the TI1-2 days, but back then there were like 2-3 decent teams. Not to mention the concistency.
Liquid are one of the if not THE best team out there. They proved it many times when it matters. Competition is tough and will be tougher, so if you let your guard down or make a mistake you will get punished. Thats what happened to us during TI8.

For example OG won this time because the patch allowed them to draft the way they did, and they got some luck. Something like TI3 Allience patch. They were unbeatable until the game got patched pos TI. Now probably this will happen to OG, as they have a lot of potential, but don't yet have the experience, and since they decided to skip 5 months of playing probably lack the motivation pos TI.
The only teams these days that are good and going to be good no matter what, until probably one or more of them decide to retire are Liquid and VP.
So don't judge for a team by a game or two - look at the big picture, see some history. Liquid have insane win% for todays standarts. Yeah they dropped some games lately but so what. They are probably waiting for the big patch just like everyone else. EVEN if they decide to play weird drafts and lose the qualifiers, they WILL win the minor if they want to.

On September 21 2018 00:18 chabode wrote:
they deserve this result after G2 ends

On September 21 2018 00:11 warrior4093 wrote:
Thats just some blind hardcore fan thing, Team Liquid lost , 0:2 by NIP and 1:2 by lithium, if they wanted this so called "REST" why did they even participate ?
Truth is always bitter, they lost cause they played bad , end of the stroy and FYI liquid has lost 4 out of last 6 series , thats just straight up bad.
As for OG, If OG is not a top tier team then it makes Liquid the Shit tier team and as for LGD and EG , they are performing super well , considering CN region is most competitive this qualifiers , i would say LGD is still the fav to take this major.
Now above all, Liquid is having issues , they better fix it and get back, getting beaten hard by tier 2 teams looks as bad on liquid as it did on Team OG before TI.
Think what u want but facts are not gona change because u think something else.

On September 21 2018 00:22 juuto wrote:


Exactly. 4 out of their last 6 series they've lost and none of those losses were close besides the Lithium games. Otherwise, Liquid has been completely outdrafted and outplayed so many god damn times in a row.

There's like some sort of cult around Liquid or something where you can't even be critical of them. It's always some excuse or some reason why it's "ridiculous" to ever say anything negative about the team. I'm not saying Kuro needs to quit forever or they need to disband and never think about teaming up again. I'm saying the same shit their results are saying: They currently suck. There were three slots for EU and Liquid couldn't even get one of them. They couldn't even take a game off a good team and they couldn't even win a series against a mediocre team.

I expect that Liquid will eventually get their shit together and do well. I have faith in them but I'm also not going to sit here, trash OG, and make all sorts of ridiculous excuses for their bad performances.

On September 21 2018 00:52 giftdgecko wrote:

There's being critical and being a doomsayer; you are the latter. They don't currently "suck". They got what place at TI? They were first in the group of the participants who ended up being the top 4 (went 5-1 against them making them 5-5 against EG, OG, LGD).

They had some bad drafts and got out played, it happens sometimes. Teams are rarely as consistent for as long as Liquid or VP has been. If this is still happening and they are failing to qualify for Majors a few months from now we can have this discussion. People are in here talking about making changes to the now T3 liquid team....

In this tourney they had Miracle draft and Kuro play mid. I'm not inclined to say they took it 100% seriously.

On September 21 2018 00:52 giftdgecko wrote:

There's being critical and being a doomsayer; you are the latter. They don't currently "suck". They got what place at TI? They were first in the group of the participants who ended up being the top 4 (went 5-1 against them making them 5-5 against EG, OG, LGD).

They had some bad drafts and got out played, it happens sometimes. Teams are rarely as consistent for as long as Liquid or VP has been. If this is still happening and they are failing to qualify for Majors a few months from now we can have this discussion. People are in here talking about making changes to the now T3 liquid team....

In this tourney they had Miracle draft and Kuro play mid. I'm not inclined to say they took it 100% seriously.

On September 21 2018 01:28 juuto wrote:


The delusional fanboys have a talent for putting words in other people's mouths and making up a bunch of BS to make everyone who is critical look bad. There is no way that failing to grab one of the three slots handed to the EU region by the Valve corporation isn't the definition the pure suck.

I was very clear about the fact that I do think Liquid will fix their problems in the future but I'm still labeled a "doomsayer" to fit your narrative. I'm just a simple guy who is a fan of Liquid and I like to be critical of them. Sorry that I missed the memo where I signed up to be a cult member simply for enjoying Team Liquid's games.

On September 21 2018 00:22 juuto wrote:


Exactly. 4 out of their last 6 series they've lost and none of those losses were close besides the Lithium games. Otherwise, Liquid has been completely outdrafted and outplayed so many god damn times in a row.

There's like some sort of cult around Liquid or something where you can't even be critical of them. It's always some excuse or some reason why it's "ridiculous" to ever say anything negative about the team. I'm not saying Kuro needs to quit forever or they need to disband and never think about teaming up again. I'm saying the same shit their results are saying: They currently suck. There were three slots for EU and Liquid couldn't even get one of them. They couldn't even take a game off a good team and they couldn't even win a series against a mediocre team.

I expect that Liquid will eventually get their shit together and do well. I have faith in them but I'm also not going to sit here, trash OG, and make all sorts of ridiculous excuses for their bad performances.

On September 21 2018 00:11 warrior4093 wrote:
Thats just some blind hardcore fan thing, Team Liquid lost , 0:2 by NIP and 1:2 by lithium, if they wanted this so called "REST" why did they even participate ?
Truth is always bitter, they lost cause they played bad , end of the stroy and FYI liquid has lost 4 out of last 6 series , thats just straight up bad.
As for OG, If OG is not a top tier team then it makes Liquid the Shit tier team and as for LGD and EG , they are performing super well , considering CN region is most competitive this qualifiers , i would say LGD is still the fav to take this major.
Now above all, Liquid is having issues , they better fix it and get back, getting beaten hard by tier 2 teams looks as bad on liquid as it did on Team OG before TI.
Think what u want but facts are not gona change because u think something else.

On September 21 2018 00:14 warrior4093 wrote:

i can count 10 heroes that OG played during UB finals and Grand finals that were not "patch" favoured. get ur facts straight, they played aginst the patch and meta itself.