On October 28 2013 10:50 Orcasgt24 wrote: Moulson and Taveres had excellent chemistry last season (dunno about now). This trade makes very little sense to me. I'm pretty sure NYI just pissed the franchise player off...
pretty sure nyi just got an elite player to play w/ tavares, u rly cant compare moulson with vanek
Fair enough but the price for this one year rental is way steep. If he signs an extension then ok fine, good trade. I don't see that happening though. Moulson on the other hand would have 100% resigned in NYI
nyi wouldnt have traded moulson and 2 picks if they didnt think they could resign him, theyre far off from being a "win-now" franchise. wouldnt make any sense if they didnt have a plan
and if they dont resign then theyre just fucking dumb
If it was ANY OTHER organization in the NHL I would say they have a plan. But this is the New York Islanders and Garth Snow. I would not be shocked if they were just fucking dumb.
Yeah, I'm not sure why the Islanders made this move. They aren't exactly close to be contenders.
As for Buffalo, they could turn around and deal Moulson at the deadline. Time to load up on those draft picks for a total rebuild. Supposedly this is a great draft coming up. Would be pretty sweet for the Sabres to have 4 first round picks or so (their own, one from Vanek, one from Miller, and another for Moulson).
they arent close to contenders but having an appearance helps to build hype for when they move to Brooklyn and jack up their ticket prices. I honestly dont blame them, American fans arent like oilers fans who will blindly follow incompetence year in year out in their frozen tundra while dreaming of striking rich in the oil game and getting a 1 million dollar, 900 sqrt apartment in Vancouver, they actually need to be lured in by success, whether in making the playoffs or big name trades.
On October 28 2013 01:27 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Gionturd is getting old and all the sauce he had to do to get his body primed for the nhl is catching up to him. theyll dump him to the curb after the season.
for Lecavalier, he got old very quickly. He got to a thousand nhl games at age 31. I agree he had a ridiculous contract though lol.
And I dont get how Plekanec is injury prone. The guy hasnt missed more than 5 games in a season since 2006-07.
and yes plek rarely gets injured :D, maybe he was thinking of pacioretty? and tbh pacioretty isnt injury prone or anything, the only time he was really injured was when chara nearly killed him, its a miracle that hes still playing. he got injured a few games ago(as far as i can recall its his first "flimsy-esque" injury) but it wasnt anything serious, hes out for like 2 weeks
Why the fuck didn't this guy start the year in the NHL.
What a champion. The kings are just tooling the oilers. Shots in regulation were 45-18. We in overtime now.
O.O
EDIT: What highway robbery, Bachman makes 47 of 48 saves, he gets the second star to Quick who made 17 of 18 saves. Also, wtf, we got rolled that game.
Its funny, only two games Oilers have looked bad in we have points in both.
Moulson has been a nice solid player for a while now, but Vanek's a differerent level. Still, without a resign, that's a definite loss. I think if they get him on for a few years, that will give them a few years of his prime while they hunt for a more longterm solution in goal, which is what really holds them back more than anything.
On October 28 2013 12:54 iCanada wrote: Richard Bachman is a hero.
Why the fuck didn't this guy start the year in the NHL.
What a champion. The kings are just tooling the oilers. Shots in regulation were 45-18. We in overtime now.
O.O
EDIT: What highway robbery, Bachman makes 47 of 48 saves, he gets the second star to Quick who made 17 of 18 saves. Also, wtf, we got rolled that game.
Its funny, only two games Oilers have looked bad in we have points in both.
I was definatley impressed. Whole game my poker room was making jokes that Dubnyk would have allowed 10 or more and a common joke was "I hope that injury is career ending"
Just one game but its a better game then either of our other goalies has had so, something to go on. Hope he starts the next one, IMO earned it
Pretty big risk for the Islanders for sure. The biggest thing was the partnership between Moulson and Tavares, but who knows Vanek might be even better. It's hard to believe, but Moulson and Vanek are the same age.
On October 28 2013 05:15 xDaunt wrote: The Sharks snagged the best player from that Tampa Bay cup team -- Boyle. That trade is almost highway robbery in retrospect. Carle + Wishart + and 1st.
Whatever. The Oilers got Khabibulin like 5 years later!!!1!!!LOLL!!!11
On October 28 2013 16:20 sharkeyanti wrote: Pretty big risk for the Islanders for sure. The biggest thing was the partnership between Moulson and Tavares, but who knows Vanek might be even better. It's hard to believe, but Moulson and Vanek are the same age.
it is, but these arent the isles of 3-5 years ago. Theyre a lower seed playoff team, theyre moving into a new arena, and theyve got an elite franchise center. pairing him w an elite sniper might be crazy
I dont think that a Vanek upgrade over Moulson was worth what it cost them.
Despite what people think, the skillgap between the two is not that big. Vanek had one exceptional season ( when they had a solid club who made it to the semis with Briere and Drury ) but on average he seems to be in the same class as Moulson : 25 to 35 goals with 55 to 65 points. Lets be honest here, Im pretty sure Vanek is the better player, but im not sure it was worth a 1st and a 2nd+ Moulson.
When you think about it though, the prospect pipeline of the isles should be loaded by now so it wouldnt make sense to give 5 or 6 millions a year to Moulson because he should be just a spare part in your equation. Even if hes best firends with your superstar(imo). now, where is miller going?
Vanek topped 40 twice, was on pace for it last year, and never had anyone close to Tavares' skillset. Roy, Pominville, etc are all good players, but Tavares is up on another level above those dudes. Vanek's also more of a pure scorer, where as Moulson tends to get a lot more of those hardnosed garbage goals, deflections, puts himself in right spots, etc. They're much different players. Vanek's a dude who can score on his own. Moulson is good, a hard worker, but needs a good center to be effective
look at some of these feeds he gets from tavares. Yeesh. Always liked Moulson, but goddamn that video just shows how good tavares is
does anyone actually know what happened to Neal? He's been out for like a month now, isnt even practicing, has an 'upper body injury' after playing for 3 minutes in the open night. Concussion?
And, as many have mentioned, if Vanek signs with NYI it will be a decent deal. They expect to draft in the 20-30 range, and were probably not hopeful to sign Moulson. If BUF can get another 1st rounder out of Moulson, then this rebuild won't be so bad. They already have some young forwards who have shown great ability, and Enroth is at least decent. There are four or five defense prospects who could contribute at the NHL level, and Ristolainen may be a top pairing dman.
With their own pick, NYI pick, maybe one or two more 1st rounders (Miller/Moulson trades), and another high pick in next years draft, They seem pretty well set up moving forward. Getting two 2nd rounders for Regehr was amazing. Leino is an albatross, and Erhoff has a long contract, but neither will truly hamstring the franchise.
Should have bought out Leino. He is completely useless. Erhoff was good when there are players of equivalent talent to play with him but not a 10m a year defenseman.
On October 29 2013 01:24 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: Despite what people think, the skillgap between the two is not that big. Vanek had one exceptional season ( when they had a solid club who made it to the semis with Briere and Drury ) but on average he seems to be in the same class as Moulson : 25 to 35 goals with 55 to 65 points.
Saying Vanek only had one exceptional season is a bit unfair. He is 5th in the league in goals scored since the '06-07 season (ahead of players including Malkin, Crosby, Sedin, Nash, Staal, Perry, Hossa), 2nd in powerplay goals, and 4th in shooting percentage. He has been consistently exceptional for the Sabres. You can make the argument that the Islanders overpaid if Vanek does not resign, but I wouldn't consider the two players to be in the same class.
On October 29 2013 03:39 Sub40APM wrote: Should have bought out Leino. He is completely useless. Erhoff was good when there are players of equivalent talent to play with him but not a 10m a year defenseman.
There is no real reason to buy out Leino this year in my opinion. The Sabres have the cap room at the moment and they can still exercise the buyout option at the end of the year. He has been incredibly unlucky in staying healthy, but for a team that is rebuilding, they can afford to keep him around for at least one more year.
Erhoff quietly had an excellent year and was by far the Sabres most solid defenseman. His cap hit is only $4 million per year, which I think is more than reasonable.
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