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On October 28 2013 07:13 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 06:00 iCanada wrote:On October 28 2013 05:46 Sub40APM wrote:
I watch hockey on the West coast. Had the Sharks been able to afford to get St Louis/he wanted to go there they would have had a cup by now. I dont think so. The sharks always lost because despite always having a really solid 2 line attack, they have never had really solid depth on Forward in the sense that if you got rid of one of their lines, they couldn't score. Every year they've just ahd that one injury in the playoffs that killed their two line attack. For example, in 2006 after Torres head hunted Michalek, the Oilers just put Pronger on Thornton/Marleau/Cheechoo and the sharks couldn't score. but they are one of the deepest teams on offense this year. Especially at the center position.
They have been a "deep" team for a long time. Playoffs come, and only Thronton/Marleau ever stir the drink. Then they get labeled as poor playoff hockey players juts like ALexander Ovechkin, despite the fact that Ovechkin has the highest playoff PPG in the history of the League.
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On October 28 2013 07:28 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 07:13 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On October 28 2013 06:00 iCanada wrote:On October 28 2013 05:46 Sub40APM wrote:
I watch hockey on the West coast. Had the Sharks been able to afford to get St Louis/he wanted to go there they would have had a cup by now. I dont think so. The sharks always lost because despite always having a really solid 2 line attack, they have never had really solid depth on Forward in the sense that if you got rid of one of their lines, they couldn't score. Every year they've just ahd that one injury in the playoffs that killed their two line attack. For example, in 2006 after Torres head hunted Michalek, the Oilers just put Pronger on Thornton/Marleau/Cheechoo and the sharks couldn't score. but they are one of the deepest teams on offense this year. Especially at the center position. They have been a "deep" team for a long time. Playoffs come, and only Thronton/Marleau ever stir the drink. Then they get labeled as poor playoff hockey players juts like ALexander Ovechkin, despite the fact that Ovechkin has the highest playoff PPG in the history of the League.
I used to take Joe Pavelski for my playoff fantasy leagues because he used to rack a shitton of points and play at least 2 rounds :D
but yeah this team has been a heavyweight for years and they keep choking. Maybe this time around it wil be different since its the last year on the marleau and thornton deals.
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They were too slow for the new NHL, once they stripped out the two slowest players on their team they became much more threatening. That plus having 4 centers that could play first line minutes is a huge boon. Plus Hertl and that other kid randomly being good as teenagers always help.
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On October 28 2013 07:32 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 07:28 iCanada wrote:On October 28 2013 07:13 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On October 28 2013 06:00 iCanada wrote:On October 28 2013 05:46 Sub40APM wrote:
I watch hockey on the West coast. Had the Sharks been able to afford to get St Louis/he wanted to go there they would have had a cup by now. I dont think so. The sharks always lost because despite always having a really solid 2 line attack, they have never had really solid depth on Forward in the sense that if you got rid of one of their lines, they couldn't score. Every year they've just ahd that one injury in the playoffs that killed their two line attack. For example, in 2006 after Torres head hunted Michalek, the Oilers just put Pronger on Thornton/Marleau/Cheechoo and the sharks couldn't score. but they are one of the deepest teams on offense this year. Especially at the center position. They have been a "deep" team for a long time. Playoffs come, and only Thronton/Marleau ever stir the drink. Then they get labeled as poor playoff hockey players juts like ALexander Ovechkin, despite the fact that Ovechkin has the highest playoff PPG in the history of the League. I used to take Joe Pavelski for my playoff fantasy leagues because he used to rack a shitton of points and play at least 2 rounds :D but yeah this team has been a heavyweight for years and they keep choking. Maybe this time around it wil be different since its the last year on the marleau and thornton deals.
Okay sure, but when have the Sharks ever had a Max Talbot, Fernando Pisani, Pascal Dupuis, Claude Lemiuex, Chris Kelly, Darren Helm etc type player come in and score a big goal from the third or fourth line to make the difference in an important game? Never. Thats why they have not won the cup.
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This current Sharks team is the best that they have had. Their first and second lines are both legitimate first lines. Their third line (Pavelski) is far and away the best third third line in the league. They also have rounded out very nicely on D. Vlasic and Braun have stepped up big time. Vlasic, in particular, will be in consideration for the Norris if he keeps up his current play. The best part is that the Sharks are doing all of this without Havlat and Torres. In addition to those two, the Sharks have also been playing without Burns and Boyle for the past few games. The depth is ridiculous.
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On October 28 2013 07:38 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 07:32 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On October 28 2013 07:28 iCanada wrote:On October 28 2013 07:13 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On October 28 2013 06:00 iCanada wrote:On October 28 2013 05:46 Sub40APM wrote:
I watch hockey on the West coast. Had the Sharks been able to afford to get St Louis/he wanted to go there they would have had a cup by now. I dont think so. The sharks always lost because despite always having a really solid 2 line attack, they have never had really solid depth on Forward in the sense that if you got rid of one of their lines, they couldn't score. Every year they've just ahd that one injury in the playoffs that killed their two line attack. For example, in 2006 after Torres head hunted Michalek, the Oilers just put Pronger on Thornton/Marleau/Cheechoo and the sharks couldn't score. but they are one of the deepest teams on offense this year. Especially at the center position. They have been a "deep" team for a long time. Playoffs come, and only Thronton/Marleau ever stir the drink. Then they get labeled as poor playoff hockey players juts like ALexander Ovechkin, despite the fact that Ovechkin has the highest playoff PPG in the history of the League. I used to take Joe Pavelski for my playoff fantasy leagues because he used to rack a shitton of points and play at least 2 rounds :D but yeah this team has been a heavyweight for years and they keep choking. Maybe this time around it wil be different since its the last year on the marleau and thornton deals. Okay sure, but when have the Sharks ever had a Max Talbot, Fernando Pisani, Pascal Dupuis, Claude Lemiuex, Chris Kelly, Darren Helm etc type player come in and score a big goal from the third or fourth line to make the difference in an important game? Never. Thats why they have not won the cup.
This is true. The Sharks have gotten minimal contribution from the third and fourth lines (and from the defense for that matter) during the playoffs. However, they've had a lot of really bad breaks, too. Go look up the save percentage of the goalies that they have faced when eliminated in the playoffs.
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as the team is now, if the Sharks dont win the cup they will be cemented as chokers. In the previous years they always had a weird dichotomy between their pretty fast, high skilled forwards and the hulking 3rd/4th liners who were too slow to keep up, getting exposed time after time by the faster or tougher 3rd/4th lines of Western finalists. Feels like this year they are able to just be a dynamic team because of emergence of cotour and to lesser extent their rookies. That plus stripping out Clowe makes them a hell of a lot faster.
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...Vanek for Moulson? What is going on?
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On October 28 2013 09:07 Sub40APM wrote:
as the team is now, if the Sharks dont win the cup they will be cemented as chokers. In the previous years they always had a weird dichotomy between their pretty fast, high skilled forwards and the hulking 3rd/4th liners who were too slow to keep up, getting exposed time after time by the faster or tougher 3rd/4th lines of Western finalists. Feels like this year they are able to just be a dynamic team because of emergence of cotour and to lesser extent their rookies. That plus stripping out Clowe makes them a hell of a lot faster.
It wasn't just Clowe who was slowing down the Sharks. Don't forget about players like Doug Murray and Handzus. The Sharks got rid of all of their pylons last year.
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they get a first and a second round and I guess Tavers gets a super star winger. How long till they move Miller.
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On October 28 2013 09:56 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 09:07 Sub40APM wrote:
as the team is now, if the Sharks dont win the cup they will be cemented as chokers. In the previous years they always had a weird dichotomy between their pretty fast, high skilled forwards and the hulking 3rd/4th liners who were too slow to keep up, getting exposed time after time by the faster or tougher 3rd/4th lines of Western finalists. Feels like this year they are able to just be a dynamic team because of emergence of cotour and to lesser extent their rookies. That plus stripping out Clowe makes them a hell of a lot faster. It wasn't just Clowe who was slowing down the Sharks. Don't forget about players like Doug Murray and Handzus. The Sharks got rid of all of their pylons last year.
Yes, Murray, couldnt remember his name but didnt want to type in 'giant swedish pylon'
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On October 28 2013 09:48 GolemMadness wrote:
...Vanek for Moulson? What is going on?
yewww
poor Moulson lol.
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he'll be okay, he is a FA too and he definitely wont be re-signing there. I guess the only downside is, he has to play pretty hard for a shit team just so he can get some money next year.
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very good deal for the isles if they manage to resign him, theyre probably gonna make the playoffs so that 1st rounder is gonna be a midd rounder most likely
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Moulson and Taveres had excellent chemistry last season (dunno about now). This trade makes very little sense to me. I'm pretty sure NYI just pissed the franchise player off...
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On October 28 2013 09:59 Sub40APM wrote:
he'll be okay, he is a FA too and he definitely wont be re-signing there. I guess the only downside is, he has to play pretty hard for a shit team just so he can get some money next year.
well hes top6 talent. theyll probably get another first rounder for him at the deadline, making darcy reger look clever -_-
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On October 28 2013 10:50 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Moulson and Taveres had excellent chemistry last season (dunno about now). This trade makes very little sense to me. I'm pretty sure NYI just pissed the franchise player off...
pretty sure nyi just got an elite player to play w/ tavares, u rly cant compare moulson with vanek
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On October 28 2013 10:58 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 10:50 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Moulson and Taveres had excellent chemistry last season (dunno about now). This trade makes very little sense to me. I'm pretty sure NYI just pissed the franchise player off... pretty sure nyi just got an elite player to play w/ tavares, u rly cant compare moulson with vanek
Fair enough but the price for this one year rental is way steep. If he signs an extension then ok fine, good trade. I don't see that happening though. Moulson on the other hand would have 100% resigned in NYI
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Yup. Your standard hockey play right there.
Taylor Hall
Sam Gagner
Ryan Hamilton
Jesse Joensuu
Tyler Pitlick
Ryan Smyth
Corey Potter
Denis Grebeshkov
Devan Dubnyk
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Just your average day here in oilerland.
FML.
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On October 28 2013 11:08 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2013 10:58 TT1 wrote:On October 28 2013 10:50 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Moulson and Taveres had excellent chemistry last season (dunno about now). This trade makes very little sense to me. I'm pretty sure NYI just pissed the franchise player off... pretty sure nyi just got an elite player to play w/ tavares, u rly cant compare moulson with vanek Fair enough but the price for this one year rental is way steep. If he signs an extension then ok fine, good trade. I don't see that happening though. Moulson on the other hand would have 100% resigned in NYI
nyi wouldnt have traded moulson and 2 picks if they didnt think they could resign him, theyre far off from being a "win-now" franchise. wouldnt make any sense if they didnt have a plan
and if they dont resign him then theyre just fucking dumb
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