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L3gendary
Canada1470 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:23 SilverWolfe wrote: Oh come on. This forum has plenty of posts where people make fun of SC2 (Unimpressed Flash etc.), you guys should be able to take at least one about BW. Seems more disrespectful to the dead guy than bw fans. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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rasers
Sweden691 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:11 SilverWolfe wrote: this picture will piss people off but... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rrnr3.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Tva7e.jpg) The really sad part comes after the end of this OSL... I am gonna miss watching them play BW. can you stop the "i love BW i like it very much and i watch it so much BUT...". cause i think no one will believe u this crap | ||
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SilverWolfe
Canada173 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:27 Black[CAT] wrote: Is this what the majority of the SC2 crowd thinks? About the outdated UI and graphics only? Its the game design that is the killer feature. Way better unit interaction, dynamics and gameplay as well as better to watch (sc2 deathballs, Current hot issue in sc2 is removing deathballs and make units dont clump up right? ). B.Cat, understand that the vast majority of SC2 fans have NEVER tried more than 5 games of Competitive 1 vs 1 in BW. And have never followed one BW tournament at all! They have pretty much 0 knowledge about the game and scene so they make stupid assumptions about the game while people like you and me have at least attempted in 'getting into' their 'scene'. | ||
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alderamin
80 Posts
Personally I don't even want to like SC2. To me SC2 has nothing of what SC BW had. I rather play MOBa games as well. I hope JD and Flash switch to LoL soon. SC2 is all about hardware promotion. Everyone knows what Blizzard did wrong but no one really cares. People ride the money wave as long as it lasts, then jump ship. Everything that happened was also predicted. I remember very well the interview Testie gave when he first played SC2.' I don't know what to think about SC2 people. They came to SC2 because SC2 was the new big game. For some reason they decided to stick around. I can tell you that it is now impossible for you to understand what SC BW was before SC2 was released. We were such an elitist group of people and we had so much pride in our game and so much understanding about how unique S Koreans esports scene was. We had nothing to do with Blizzard or any of their other games. That was nice as well. I am at a point right now that I won't ever pay to play a Blizzard game ever again no matter how good the game is they put out. But it doesn't seem I have to exert a lot of effort. Going to be a happy day the day Blizzard ceases to exist. The dislike for what was my no.1 game designer by far when I was a teen has become absolutely huge. It's a strange thing to recall how I used to recommended Blizzard games to my schoolmates. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:22 SilverWolfe wrote: I am not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but this is the BW board so I guess it makes sense to ask it here. If there's a better place, please let me know/move the thread. Please don't be offended by this because I'm only asking based on what I observe in these forums. Essentially from what I understand, BW fans hate SC2. Like really, really, REALLY hate SC2. I don't really get this, I started playing/watching BW myself but was pretty excited when SC2 came out, and even though the pro games aren't as high level as BroodWar games were and nor were the players as talented, I still had hope that maybe the game would evolve over time and the pro scene would become more exciting to watch as well. The thing that I'm gonna ask about is that I've noticed a lot of BW fans have decided to start playing/watching Dota2 and LoL over SC2. Now this is something I genuinely cannot understand. Coming from the perspective of someone who has played/watched RTS games, it just seems ludicrous to me to think that Dota2 or LoL offers even half the entertainment of BW/SC2. To me it just seems odd how some people could genuinely prefer these games over SC2, in fact I have a hard time believing it's a genuine enjoyment of MOBAs. To me there are three possibilities that I see, and I've listed them here in order of likelihood as I see it: 1. The first group of people are BW fans who are so upset that SC2 is not literally BW in 3D that they can't stand the concept of ever switching to SC2 or trying to enjoy playing/watching it. Also the thought of KeSPA players playing SC2 seems like a blasphemy to these people. I think that these people are so disgusted by SC2 as a game, that they've decided to proudly parade how much they think Dota2 and LoL are better games than SC2 just to spite the game and SC2 fans. 2. The second group of people are fans who believe that Korea somehow 'understands' eSports and what a good eSport is better than every other country, and that playing games that Korea doesn't like/enjoy as much is stupid. These people probably saw how Korean fans didn't take to SC2, but loved LoL. So they decided that because of this, LoL must be a legitimately more interesting game than SC2, because of course this is the same country that started professional Broodwar. 3. The third and least likely possibility I see is people who actually, genuinely, in their hearts, believe that Dota2 and LoL is a better eSport than SC2. Now people don't get me wrong MOBA fans, your games are great in their own right. But coming from an RTS background I just don't see how anyone could find it exciting to watch or even play. The game feels slow and boring when I actually play it, watching it I have no idea what I'm supposed to be impressed or entertained by. I try to imagine how hard it would be for people to cast 4v4 BW/SC2 games seriously and how little the results would actually seem to matter given how bizarrely games with that many teammates can turn out. From a spectator standpoint it just seems like too much random crap going on at once, and that seems to be exactly the case with Dota2/LoL. I think if these people come from a BW background, they probably haven't given watching the GSL or something a try. So what is the deal exactly? Why do so many BW fans like MOBA games so much over SC2? I'm sorry but these generalizations have got to stop. Your entire post wreaks of bullshit. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:30 SilverWolfe wrote: OK if you guys are actually that upset I will just remove the picture. I guess you guys can't take a joke. lol man up fool | ||
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insanet
Peru439 Posts
- I dont watch/like any MOBA games, i just dont get it how it is fun. i even watched a 14min tutorial in youtube to understand how LoL works, what i saw was even worse than what i expected. - SC2 is an ok game, i currently watch it, BUT, i will not spend the entire night awake to watch koreans play like i did for BW, i dont know if i will watch it for several years like i did for BW. Well i just saw the picture you posted and yes im offended, this is the problem with the SC2 community : So you guys have been here for 2 years, and suddenly you are experts on balance, you are here 2 years and you are experts on everything, you suddenly know what tourneys format are shit and what formats are the best ones. you think you know us, you think we are dogs just sitting next to a dead body. well you dont know shit. your community dont know shit. Thats key difference between us and SC2, we listen to ppl older than us, we know koreans know better than us so we listen to them.we acknowledge the great value their words and opinions contains. unlike you, you guys have 0 respect for older people that know better than you. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:30 SilverWolfe wrote: OK if you guys are actually that upset I will just remove the picture. I guess you guys can't take a joke. posting a corpse and label it BW is not a fucking joke, are you serious? | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:28 L3gendary wrote: Seems more disrespectful to the dead guy than bw fans. Disrespectful mostly to the dog imo... But yeah, either way, very distasteful :T | ||
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Flip9
Germany151 Posts
On July 09 2012 01:30 SilverWolfe wrote: OK if you guys are actually that upset I will just remove the picture. I guess you guys can't take a joke. The reason its disliked is not because it makes fun about bw | ||
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Tarot
Canada440 Posts
I find Dota/LoL is much much better than SC2 in this aspect. Especially with stuff like LoL's secondary objectives in the game, it makes games feel a lot more interesting. Too bad the actual battles in both SC2 and MOBA games are pretty shitty to watch. I don't think MOBAs can really address this issue but SC2 can. I'd be really happy to see SC2 revamp their unit movement or make unit collision bigger or something... But I'm kind of at the point where I've given up with Blizzard. I don't think it'll ever happen. Now I just visit TL mainly for the Korean Music thread  | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
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eits
United States210 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:22 SilverWolfe wrote: I am not sure if this is the best place to ask this question, but this is the BW board so I guess it makes sense to ask it here. If there's a better place, please let me know/move the thread. Please don't be offended by this because I'm only asking based on what I observe in these forums. Essentially from what I understand, BW fans hate SC2. Like really, really, REALLY hate SC2. I don't really get this, I started playing/watching BW myself but was pretty excited when SC2 came out, and even though the pro games aren't as high level as BroodWar games were and nor were the players as talented, I still had hope that maybe the game would evolve over time and the pro scene would become more exciting to watch as well. The thing that I'm gonna ask about is that I've noticed a lot of BW fans have decided to start playing/watching Dota2 and LoL over SC2. Now this is something I genuinely cannot understand. Coming from the perspective of someone who has played/watched RTS games, it just seems ludicrous to me to think that Dota2 or LoL offers even half the entertainment of BW/SC2. To me it just seems odd how some people could genuinely prefer these games over SC2, in fact I have a hard time believing it's a genuine enjoyment of MOBAs. To me there are three possibilities that I see, and I've listed them here in order of likelihood as I see it: 1. The first group of people are BW fans who are so upset that SC2 is not literally BW in 3D that they can't stand the concept of ever switching to SC2 or trying to enjoy playing/watching it. Also the thought of KeSPA players playing SC2 seems like a blasphemy to these people. I think that these people are so disgusted by SC2 as a game, that they've decided to proudly parade how much they think Dota2 and LoL are better games than SC2 just to spite the game and SC2 fans. 2. The second group of people are fans who believe that Korea somehow 'understands' eSports and what a good eSport is better than every other country, and that playing games that Korea doesn't like/enjoy as much is stupid. These people probably saw how Korean fans didn't take to SC2, but loved LoL. So they decided that because of this, LoL must be a legitimately more interesting game than SC2, because of course this is the same country that started professional Broodwar. 3. The third and least likely possibility I see is people who actually, genuinely, in their hearts, believe that Dota2 and LoL is a better eSport than SC2. Now people don't get me wrong MOBA fans, your games are great in their own right. But coming from an RTS background I just don't see how anyone could find it exciting to watch or even play. The game feels slow and boring when I actually play it, watching it I have no idea what I'm supposed to be impressed or entertained by. I try to imagine how hard it would be for people to cast 4v4 BW/SC2 games seriously and how little the results would actually seem to matter given how bizarrely games with that many teammates can turn out. From a spectator standpoint it just seems like too much random crap going on at once, and that seems to be exactly the case with Dota2/LoL. I think if these people come from a BW background, they probably haven't given watching the GSL or something a try. So what is the deal exactly? Why do so many BW fans like MOBA games so much over SC2? this whole post is a waste of time, you know this is just your opinion right and there is millions more people who play league of legends over sc2? free to play is a very popular model now days and I'm sure that we are having a "genuine" experience cause we enjoy the fucking game, wtf do you think i don't know what i like? you sound ignorant as shit to think your own views are the ones that would be genuine | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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huehuehuehue
Estonia455 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2749 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:34 vOdToasT wrote: I think it's because while DotA is not as amazing as Brood War, it is in a different genre of games than Brood War. This makes it easier to transition to. StarCraft 2 is in the same genre as Brood War, but much worse. It's easier to change to something that is different altogether, than something that is just inferior. SC2 is just a shitty RTS, an inferior version of SC1, but DotA is something different. When you're used to playing a good RTS, switching to a mediocre one is harder than switching to a DotA game. Exactly this. | ||
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