EPTBW Fans switching to Dota/LoL? - Page 3
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
I think that for people who think that SC2 is a worse game than BW, as it is now you are objectively correct, but I think that you have to consider that BW games back when BW just came out (or even SCvanilla) were much, much worse than watching something like Flash vs Effort now Okay you got to love this argument, so let's put it this way previously blizzard has been producing really good games diablo 1 and 2 and starcraft 1 and bw . However since the latest production of it's latest game seems really bad compared to it's old version should we give them time to grow ? . Yeah we should ? you know why ? Because we want to play games that does not follow the same basics and fundamentals and huge improvements that have been brought to the game all this years . Broodwar completed starcraft with medics and etc . Diablo 2 LOD expansion made the game much more interesting with it's update however We can kiss this good bye and trash everything we have learn in 10 years because we just don't like playing the same old thing . Let's make AH and RMAH so D3 will fit the casual crowds also make the drops really bad and make diablo a MMO and lets throw all the strategic elements and excitement we learn from broodwar because casual players can't handle it . We don't want to move forwards instead most of the guys who want to give a leverage to new blizzard's new game wants to go back to the stone age and that's quite fine to me . Good luck though and enjoy your new games. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:29 Antimatterz wrote: I kind of get this impression when I come on the BW forums thought, and the complete lack of PL spectators is kinda evidence of the fact. Maybe because they see less bw, and less good bw, and bw doesn't matter as much, also the dread of bw being gone from broadcasted pro play. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:29 Antimatterz wrote: I kind of get this impression when I come on the BW forums thought, and the complete lack of PL spectators is kinda evidence of the fact. Not liking a game is not the same as hating it. Why would BW fans like SC2 anyway? It's not the same game. It's very different. Liking one game does not mean liking the other. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
now im playing a lot of LoL/DotA2 >> SC2 i only switched because i never found a way to fix Window7 crashes on BW (i tried to find a solution. it ended up being windowed mode but i dont like it.) | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
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Flip9
Germany151 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:17 SilverWolfe wrote: I think that for people who think that SC2 is a worse game than BW, as it is now you are objectively correct, but I think that you have to consider that BW games back when BW just came out (or even SCvanilla) were much, much worse than watching something like Flash vs Effort now. This is a time when people were still figuring out how to play the game, and as a result the quality of those old games weren't as good as modern BW games. BW has had 14 years and an expansion to let it's metagame flourish, and flourish it has. The way I see it SC2 might not be as developed a game and people still haven't fully figured out everything about it, but there is a new expansion coming out that will sort of 'reset' the skill levels with the introduction of new units/abilities/maps. The game will change over time, and even watching GSL games now compared to the old open seasons of 2010, there is already a WORLD of difference in the games. To me, each season of GSL just gets better and better. When HotS causes a reset in the skill/metagame, I think that the BW players will suddenly be on an even field compared to the current SC2 pros. To me BW just seems like such an outdated game that relies on you to do so many things the game should just do itself. Things like how poor the pathfinding is, having to rally workers manually to minerals, the lack of smartcasting and multiple building selection don't actually add anything to the game. Technically, you could individually click and cast with each spellcaster, have only 12 units in each control group, individually click every production building to make units and rally your workers in front of your base and manually move them yourself in SC2. There's nothing stopping you from doing that, but why would you? It just makes the game harder to play. As much as I love BW sometimes I feel like the only reason you find something like a good set of storms or something being amazing is because you know as a BW player how hard it is to actually do that. If you saw it happen in SC2, you know it's easier to do. To me forcing the players to have to spread their attention over this kind of minor things was fine 10 years ago perhaps when game/computer technology was different, but now there is no point for it. This kind of thing just detracts from the focus on strategy and actual unit control in the game. BW players who are so used to doing these minute things will probably find that they can spread their attention more over the actual game when they have fully switched to SC2. That bw is that hard to play mechanically is exactly what I like in bw more then in SC2. It makes it more challenging, you have to do more decicions (i.e. should I macro now or first have a look at my hydras before I lose them to a single storm), it makes for an interesting play and its awesome watching amazing control from pros. The mechanics in bw are hard, but they arent only hard for you but for your oponent too, so its fair. Some people like that it requires good mechanics and some don't. Everyone should play what he enjoys, and let the other players play what they enjoy. Simple as that. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
SC2 might be a pretty good game in absolute terms however in relative terms (which is the way BW fans have to judge it because we know what the benchmark is) it is a failed abomination. And so for myself being a fan of SC2 isn't possible simply because it occupies the same RTS genre that BW does. That leaves BW fans searching for another BW but not BW in the sense of a carbon-copy but BW as a game that offers the tippy top of gameplay irrespective of genre. TLDR: WE JUST LIKE GOOD GAMES. AND OUR MEASURE OF GOOD IS STRICTER THAN YOURS. / elitist. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:31 Kenpachi wrote: well i played SC2 then i played LoL now im playing a lot of LoL/DotA2 >> SC2 i only switched because i never found a way to fix Window7 crashes on BW (i tried to find a solution. it ended up being windowed mode but i dont like it.) Switch your computer's resolution to 640x480 and position StarCraft in the middle of your screen, then push the keyboard hotkey to lock it in place. That's how I play StarCraft and it works perfectly. It's the same as playing in fullscreen. Edit: Also, I recommend playing on Fish instead of iCCup. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:37 mordk wrote: Well, I hope most switch to Dota 2 then. God LoL is just so boring. I actually like SC2, but going from WC3 Dota to LoL is as bad as going from BW to SC2 is to a diehard BW fan. Meanwhile, Dota 2 is just amazing, it captures the essence of WC3 dota beautifully. probably because it is dota, lol | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:32 ShadeR wrote: Then suddenly in 2012 everything turns to shit. I find that has really affected me in the past months. After an earlier epic end of the Jin Air OSL and an incredible SPL which all had epic back and forth games that had me on the edge of my seat, I'm now treated to watching Motive flounder in BW and Bisu flounder in SC2, and while the OSL provides a decent send-off with FvF on the horizon, it sucks knowing they aren't playing 100% and giving us the best games they can. 1 complete round later, Hybrid Proleague is still stupid, and that means I'm not watching it. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
I think it's ridiculous to imply that BW fans hate SC2 so much they are going to another game they don't enjoy as much. As for you not understanding why we like LoL/DOTA, that's okay, but realize it's just a matter of preference and taste. I don't get how people can like black licorice for example, but I'm not self-centered enough to think they are eating it just to get back at me. Edit: also I think it would be interesting to see if a higher percentage of RTS players like to play roles in MOBA that control and dictate the pace of the game (such as jungler). I find myself enjoying that kind of position more than roles where you are focused on the tactics needed to win the lane than the overall big picture (although the interesting and frustrating part of this is that you not only have to create the strategy, you also have to have the leadership skills to get 4 people/strangers to follow you). | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
I've actually heard that LoL is like the SC2 of moba games when compared to Dota 2. I've played the original Dota but never the second, maybe I should check it out. | ||
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JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:42 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I don't care about esport quality at all, I play games because they're fun and if they happen to be viable for competitive play, that's a bonus. I find LoL fun, SC2 I just can't get into. Maybe I'll be inspired to play it after I go to NASL... I've actually heard that LoL is like the SC2 of moba games when compared to Dota 2. I've played the original Dota but never the second, maybe I should check it out. yo let me know if you need a key or if you wanna play bw again sometime  | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:47 JeffGoldblum wrote: Man, it never crossed my mind until I read this thread but when the pro teams and MBC Game shut down this forum manifested itself into a public, group walk-through of the five stages of grief. Fascinating. Maybe if people could motivate themselves to developing native bw scenes and spent their frustration on positive motivation this wouldn't be the case. | ||
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TrainSamurai
339 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:03 corumjhaelen wrote: There are so many rebutal to this, but I'll go with this one : everything does not revolve around sc2. hurting ESPORTS. | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
On July 08 2012 23:22 SilverWolfe wrote: 3. The third and least likely possibility I see is people who actually, genuinely, in their hearts, believe that Dota2 and LoL is a better eSport than SC2. Now people don't get me wrong MOBA fans, your games are great in their own right. But coming from an RTS background I just don't see how anyone could find it exciting to watch or even play. The game feels slow and boring when I actually play it, watching it I have no idea what I'm supposed to be impressed or entertained by. I try to imagine how hard it would be for people to cast 4v4 BW/SC2 games seriously and how little the results would actually seem to matter given how bizarrely games with that many teammates can turn out. From a spectator standpoint it just seems like too much random crap going on at once, and that seems to be exactly the case with Dota2/LoL. I think if these people come from a BW background, they probably haven't given watching the GSL or something a try. sc2 has never ever made me sit back in my seat and mouth some weird sounds because my brain cannot take the awesomeness that just happened on my screen like dota has. dota2 is easily a much better spectator experience for me than sc2, and i have watched a shitton of sc2 in the past one and a half years. you know why it looks like random shit flying around? because you don't know anything about the heroes, the skills, the items. of course you're not going to understand anything. there is at least one WOW moment in every high level game in dota2. a clutch black hole brings out the same kinds of reactions as a clutch scarab shot, a clutch storm, a shuttle snipe, a massive plague. on the other hand, i can't remember the last pimp play i watched in a sc2 match. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344275¤tpage=122#2433 just keep going through the pages. On July 09 2012 00:42 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I've actually heard that LoL is like the SC2 of moba games when compared to Dota 2. this should totally be in the dota2 general discussion thread OP | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:47 JeffGoldblum wrote: Man, it never crossed my mind until I read this thread but when the pro teams and MBC Game shut down this forum manifested itself into a public, group walk-through of the five stages of grief. Fascinating. Wouldn't say 5 stages. Its more like hoping for better games and just for the best that BW can offer to us. In any cases, the 5 stages of grief have even started yet for many of us. And that will be after the OSL final. But I am sure that I will be pretty far with MOBAs to bother grieving tho. | ||
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