EPTI think that most (not all, ofc) people will find that Dota/Lol is a better game to play (it requires less skill so you can be more relaxed when you play, you can play it with your friends...) and that SC2 is a better game to watch (it is easier to follow 2 players and not 10, the game and the attacks are cleaner, more things can happen...), but the BW fans will find that BW is an even better game to watch, which place SC2 in a difficult spot...
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Thurken
961 Posts
I think that most (not all, ofc) people will find that Dota/Lol is a better game to play (it requires less skill so you can be more relaxed when you play, you can play it with your friends...) and that SC2 is a better game to watch (it is easier to follow 2 players and not 10, the game and the attacks are cleaner, more things can happen...), but the BW fans will find that BW is an even better game to watch, which place SC2 in a difficult spot... | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
On July 09 2012 18:33 ImbaTosS wrote: Oh grant us your wisdom, wise OP. Tell us what we think and why we think it! Give us a narrow range of options, one of which must represent us exactly, so that we may be categorised into your theory and have our strange, incorrect behaviour explained by your conclusions. I thought people had stopped saying "let's be honest here". MANY PEOPLE DO NOT THINK THIS. Believe it or not. Watch this- Let's be honest here, nobody really likes baseball. It's slower than football, and the crowds aren't always as big. You see what I did? I took my own personal opinion, and imposed it upon everyone else in the world, as if it were an undeniable truth. I don't know about you but pretty sure there is a pretty overwhelming view at least according to stream chats and LR threads that the majority of TvZ and PvZ (especially involving players like Dimaga, not to bash or anything) are usually zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | ||
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chongu
Malaysia2585 Posts
IMO, OP categorizing the BW forums into 3 groups under weak explainations and posting a joke of really poor taste has hurt the discussion : o | ||
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pOnarreT
155 Posts
BW fans are like those basketball fans arguing Jordan era is better than Kobe era. They are correct, but there is nothing that can be done, his time is past due and its time for the new. But if your a true fan of the game, you still love basketball regardless and still enjoy the new. Of course many would say BW is different than SC2, or why am I using basketball as a comparison or whatever, hence the stubborn part. But of course, I said add this as a number 4 option. It's obvious not all BW fans can't handle change and are stubborn. | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
On July 09 2012 19:22 pOnarreT wrote: You should add a number 4. The people who can't handle change and are stubborn. BW fans are like those basketball fans arguing Jordan era is better than Kobe era. They are correct, but there is nothing that can be done, his time is past due and its time for the new. But if your a true fan of the game, you still love basketball regardless and still enjoy the new. Of course many would say BW is different than SC2, or why am I using basketball as a comparison or whatever, hence the stubborn part. But of course, I said add this as a number 4 option. It's obvious not all BW fans can't handle change and are stubborn. This post is full of stupid.... People that loves BW does not have to love SC2.... Terrible analogy. Just because they have the same prefix - Starcraft, that dont mean its the same. Stubborn? I might say something bad here....so bleh... | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
On July 09 2012 19:03 Thurken wrote: You have to make a difference between playing and watching the game. I think that most (not all, ofc) people will find that Dota/Lol is a better game to play (it requires less skill so you can be more relaxed when you play, you can play it with your friends...) and that SC2 is a better game to watch (it is easier to follow 2 players and not 10, the game and the attacks are cleaner, more things can happen...), but the BW fans will find that BW is an even better game to watch, which place SC2 in a difficult spot... This is not true at least for me. I havent played SC2 or Dota 2 but I enjoy watching Dota 2 for a couple of months now and SC2 is boring as hell. Dota 2 is entertaining but I got some experience in Dota 1 playing it for a couple of years . Dota/ LoL is sometimes a bother to play when everyone blames you for losses and if you get into a noob team its frustrating to play. Its true that you cant really enjoy or really understand it if you have no basic info about the heroes and and their abilities and basic game knowledge and you will not get whats going on but in the end its the same for SC2. You need to have a basic level of understanding to watch SC2 too. I tried watching LoL but I havent played it and I have no real idea what any hero does so I dont really bother because Dota 2 > LoL anyday. In a way its the same for BW and SC2 . In my eyes BW > SC2 so I cant enjoy a game thats inferior even if its a decent game on its own when the prequel is the better one. I expect a Sequel to be at least on par of its predecessor and even better. This is the deal with Dota 2 and not the deal with SC2. In the end SC2/BW are RTS and Dota2/LoL are MOBA. You cant really compare them both because its a different genre of games. I've played both Dota and BW in my time and liked em both for different reasons . Now BW is on its end ropes and naturaly i move on on my 2nd favorite game which is Dota/Dota 2 now. | ||
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pOnarreT
155 Posts
On July 09 2012 19:29 Black[CAT] wrote: This post is full of stupid.... People that loves BW does not have to love SC2.... Terrible analogy. Just because they have the same prefix - Starcraft, that dont mean its the same. Stubborn? I might say something bad here....so bleh... Only non-stupid people will undestand... so I understand why you can't understand. Stubborness in this post showing, exactly as I said User was warned for this post | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
 OP forgot BW players who play/ed many genres of games. I for example was into FPS -> DotA -> SC:BW. I mean, I can't be the only one. And these are just some of the games I've played a lot. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 09 2012 20:11 pOnarreT wrote: Only non-stupid people will undestand... so I understand why you can't understand. Stubborness in this post showing, exactly as I said You can't even spell understand come back when you can type properly . | ||
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anApple
Singapore275 Posts
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On July 09 2012 20:13 Sawamura wrote: You can't even spell understand come back when you can type properly . nice argument | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
On July 09 2012 19:22 pOnarreT wrote: You should add a number 4. The people who can't handle change and are stubborn. BW fans are like those basketball fans arguing Jordan era is better than Kobe era. They are correct, but there is nothing that can be done, his time is past due and its time for the new. But if your a true fan of the game, you still love basketball regardless and still enjoy the new. Of course many would say BW is different than SC2, or why am I using basketball as a comparison or whatever, hence the stubborn part. But of course, I said add this as a number 4 option. It's obvious not all BW fans can't handle change and are stubborn. Terrible analogy. A better one would be to compare BW and SC2 with Formula One and Nascar. Am I still stubborn because as an F1 fan I don't enjoy watching Nascar ? | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 09 2012 20:11 pOnarreT wrote: Only non-stupid people will undestand... so I understand why you can't understand. Stubborness in this post showing, exactly as I said He use the word understand 3 times and yet it doesn't comes out coherent at all and it takes a genius to come to conclusion that a poster is stubborn just from a few words he posted and yeah . So yeah bring more arguments and while you do that take your time to read it again and again if it sounds stupid don't post it. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:23 konadora wrote: as someone who followed both bw and dota for a long time, i can safely say that dota has much more depth than bw Doble U Tee Eff! More depth than BW??!! | ||
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league
Peru58 Posts
On July 09 2012 20:38 endy wrote: Terrible analogy. A better one would be to compare BW and SC2 with Formula One and Nascar. Am I still stubborn because as an F1 fan I don't enjoy watching Nascar ? That's a more terrible analogy. That's like comparing SC:BW and Age Of Empires. Same genre, different settings and environment. His is a more approproiate one: Jordan era NBA (BW) and Kobe era NBA (SC2). Same genre (basketball), a few different rules (easier to score today than back then, much like BW to SC2), but still the official new NBA. Hate that it's softer now, but it still is the NBA. | ||
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league
Peru58 Posts
On July 09 2012 20:41 Sawamura wrote: He use the word understand 3 times and yet it doesn't comes out coherent at all and it takes a genius to come to conclusion that a poster is stubborn just from a few words he posted and yeah . So yeah bring more arguments and while you do that take your time to read it again and again if it sounds stupid don't post it. nice argument | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On July 09 2012 18:55 BarneyEX wrote: It does seems to me that people that make these kinds of threads are simply SC2 fans that know almost nothing about BW and come to claim they love BW etc etc and create such threads just to see us BW fans grief and react when our favourite game gets phased out, while taking the opportunity to get some sort of entertainment out of it while accidently revealing their true nature by posting foolishly. I think a lot of this is due to BW Elitists trashing everything related to SC2 at every opportunity. You reap what you sow, really. SC2's metagame is endlessly evolving and barring maybe the current state of TvZ, is getting incredibly fun to keep up with. No one wants any game to die - I used to love watching BW between WoW arena matches when I used to watch that, but the BW community has not done itself any favours by endlessly slagging anyone and everything playing Starcraft 2 off. As far as I'm concerned, if it's good enough for Flash and Boxer, it should be good enough for you. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
I am enjoying this please post more "arguments" f5ing this thread like a live report thread  | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
Maybe I was just unlucky enough (again) to have watched a shitty sc2 game but based on my experiences, I think SC2 is a mere shadow of BW. Sorry but I think SC2 is just not fucking fun to watch, especially for former BW fans. The units are just horribly designed resulting in stale matchups largely decided by attack-move, instead of the dynamic matchups in BW such as vulture/tank vs zealot/goon, marine/medic vs lurker/ling, zeal/goon/HT vs hydra etc where, depending on the positioning, the timing of stim/siege/etc anything can happen. Maybe it's true that the skill ceiling in Dota isn't as high as in SC2 (which is debatable really), but literally every dota game I have watched was more fun than SC2. One of these days maybe I will watch MMA vs DRG game 7 but based on what I've seen, I don't particularly have high hopes. If I sound pissed off, it's because of reading all these ignorant posts by SC2 fans coming in to talk trash about another game that they have never played (sounds familiar? oh wait that's right, they do that to BW too!). We are not people who are stuck in the past and hate sc2 because we're biased and filled with nostalgia; we are people who have made an open-minded decision that we prefer to watch/play dota/lol instead of sc2. many BW players and coaches have made this decision too, what do you have to say to that? Ironically even though we have to bear with ridiculous phrases like "BW elitists", I feel that it is the SC2 players who have the least tolerance for any game that is not SC2. edit: i said this in another thread and i'll say it again. Please stop with the "OMG MOBA GAMES TAKE NO SKILL". If you are a SC2 player, you of all people should be the most open-minded towards games that are mechanically easier to play. Watching SC2 players trash Dota for being too easy to play, and then turning around and labeling BW as a button-mashing game for robots is just hilarious. | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
On July 09 2012 20:38 endy wrote: Terrible analogy. A better one would be to compare BW and SC2 with Formula One and Nascar. Am I still stubborn because as an F1 fan I don't enjoy watching Nascar ? Much better than I could have said | ||
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