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WC3 DotA is what got me into competitive gaming, played it all through high-school on Garena and with friends.I loved watching Garena TV and rooting on my favorite teams/listening to shoutcasts (man I hate synchronizing), loved their skill and teamwork, placed bets on Gosu Gamers and all that jazz. Then one day my game messed up and I couldn't load up custom maps anymore, I was too lazy to reinstall windows so I was mucking about GG ect. Apparently not a lot of people over there liked Team Liquid at the time, 'go back to Team Liquid you elitist prick' ect.
So I went over there to see what the fuss was about... I had just gotten 1Mbit internet, first time interacting with the magical world of streaming, also I found out SC2 was coming out in a few years, why not get some practice in. And. I. Just. Fell. In. Love. With. BW
It had everything, crazy skill, hype, history, crowds, tournaments. None of my friends played it, no PC cafe had it and I have still yet to meet a person who know what they are doing in it but my god I fell in love. To cut a long story short I would have been playing it to this day if it wasn't for SC2. The Blizzard that made BW is not the same one that is making SC2, I can't really put my finger on it but a bit of everything was a letdown, the scene, the tournaments, it all feels wrong
The guy earlier in this thread put it well, 'and then MBC Game shutdown', the fall of Ma Jae-Yoon, it all played its part.
DotA is just the logical progression for me, 13 MILLION people downloaded the latest map before the first International!
That's 13 million people that want DotA to stay the same, 13M reasons why Valve wants to keep it that way.
In Eastern Europe people don't buy games, you don't really have friends to play with if you don't play the games that are pirated the most. I just want to play a game where if I am better I can consistently beat the crap out of all my friends or play together to beat the crap out of non-friends, and if I am not better through hard work one day I can beat them... I mean in DotA1 it used to take 6 months for someone to not be a total feeder noob. Simple as that.
BW - Tennis
DotA - Basketball
1998 Blizzard > 2011 Valve >>> 2010 Blizzard
That's the difference
EDIT: There was always something special about knowing you were one of only maybe 10k people outside of Korea playing BW, and you knew they all played it and watched it for all the same reasons as you, 1 out of 10k people who knew just how special it was... I miss those days 
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Man.. after reading all this i realize how much you consider BW to be a better game then sc2. anyway seems like a kinda useless thread since its only gonna bring hate :/
I also agree with the guy that said something about broodwar having had 14 years to develop to where it is today. I wasnt around to see it but I'm sure(Don't quote me on that:/ ) that broodwar wasnt the greatest game at its early stages either.
But anyway. I feel this is all a personal choice, Those broodwar players who liked sc2 probably still plays it whereas those who didn't, they simply decided to try something new, In this case Dota 2/LoL(Or something else, Perhaps even quit gaming)
Someone wrote that it is harder to switch into a game you consider inferior then it is to switch to something new. I think thats the best answer to all of this.
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BW being not very good at first is quite a baseless assumption.
It's not the balance that got people into BW you know. It's the gameplay, which is a fair bit more interesting than that of SC2.
Not to say SC2 is bad, just that it couldn't live up to its predecessor's name even if it became balanced.
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Alright my bad then. Wasnt really into BW at the time, too young.. Anyway you also brought up another possible reason, Since people considered BW so great(Or still do), it's gonna be close to impossible to live up to broodwar. anyway, I can't see into the future but I hope blizzard realize their mistakes and try to fix them ASAP, BW Or SC2, I dont want starcraft overall to die.
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On July 09 2012 00:55 BWalma wrote:
Its simple. People wanted a direct port of BW in 3D they got SC2 which is not a direct port. Many BW fanatics believe SC2 is "much worse." DOTA to DOTA 2 is a direct port. Nothing has changed but improved UI and ladder system. Its the game that BW fans wanted all along.
Just read the other posts how its easier to embrace a new genre then going to a "crappier" version of a game with updated graphics.
No I dont think thats true. Yes we wanted a game like BW because it was so much better and unique compared to any other RTS ever. I dont think all BW fans wanted a BW in 3D. At least I didnt.
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On July 09 2012 02:07 KapsyL wrote:
Alright my bad then. Wasnt really into BW at the time, too young.. Anyway you also brought up another possible reason, Since people considered BW so great(Or still do), it's gonna be close to impossible to live up to broodwar. anyway, I can't see into the future but I hope blizzard realize their mistakes and try to fix them ASAP, BW Or SC2, I dont want starcraft overall to die.
I have never, ever seen Blizzard actually own up to a design mistake before. Ever. They take 'it's a feature not a bug' to a whole new level'.
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On July 09 2012 02:11 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 02:07 KapsyL wrote:
Alright my bad then. Wasnt really into BW at the time, too young.. Anyway you also brought up another possible reason, Since people considered BW so great(Or still do), it's gonna be close to impossible to live up to broodwar. anyway, I can't see into the future but I hope blizzard realize their mistakes and try to fix them ASAP, BW Or SC2, I dont want starcraft overall to die. I have never, ever seen Blizzard actually own up to a design mistake before. Ever. They take 'it's a feature not a bug' to a whole new level'.
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On July 09 2012 02:11 DyEnasTy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 00:55 BWalma wrote:
Its simple. People wanted a direct port of BW in 3D they got SC2 which is not a direct port. Many BW fanatics believe SC2 is "much worse." DOTA to DOTA 2 is a direct port. Nothing has changed but improved UI and ladder system. Its the game that BW fans wanted all along.
Just read the other posts how its easier to embrace a new genre then going to a "crappier" version of a game with updated graphics. No I dont think thats true. Yes we wanted a game like BW because it was so much better and unique compared to any other RTS ever. I dont think all BW fans wanted a BW in 3D. At least I didnt.
Well if you look at it from Blizzards perspective. A BW clone would have at least not been worse than BW.
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On July 09 2012 02:11 DyEnasTy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 00:55 BWalma wrote:
Its simple. People wanted a direct port of BW in 3D they got SC2 which is not a direct port. Many BW fanatics believe SC2 is "much worse." DOTA to DOTA 2 is a direct port. Nothing has changed but improved UI and ladder system. Its the game that BW fans wanted all along.
Just read the other posts how its easier to embrace a new genre then going to a "crappier" version of a game with updated graphics. No I dont think thats true. Yes we wanted a game like BW because it was so much better and unique compared to any other RTS ever. I dont think all BW fans wanted a BW in 3D. At least I didnt.
I think what most bw fans wanted is that bw remains how it was, because thats what they love. It was just blizzard that pushed SC2 out and wanted to make money.
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I like both...
Only play LoL though, the pressure of 1v1ing isn't for me.
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On July 09 2012 01:54 ahappystar wrote:EDIT: There was always something special about knowing you were one of only maybe 10k people outside of Korea playing BW, and you knew they all played it and watched it for all the same reasons as you, 1 out of 10k people who knew just how special it was... I miss those days
Hipster nerd?
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On July 09 2012 02:19 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 01:54 ahappystar wrote:EDIT: There was always something special about knowing you were one of only maybe 10k people outside of Korea playing BW, and you knew they all played it and watched it for all the same reasons as you, 1 out of 10k people who knew just how special it was... I miss those days Hipster nerd?
Don't bring that word to the thread.
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On July 09 2012 02:15 Flip9 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 02:11 DyEnasTy wrote:On July 09 2012 00:55 BWalma wrote:
Its simple. People wanted a direct port of BW in 3D they got SC2 which is not a direct port. Many BW fanatics believe SC2 is "much worse." DOTA to DOTA 2 is a direct port. Nothing has changed but improved UI and ladder system. Its the game that BW fans wanted all along.
Just read the other posts how its easier to embrace a new genre then going to a "crappier" version of a game with updated graphics. No I dont think thats true. Yes we wanted a game like BW because it was so much better and unique compared to any other RTS ever. I dont think all BW fans wanted a BW in 3D. At least I didnt. I think what most bw fans wanted is that bw remains how it was, because thats what they love. It was just blizzard that pushed SC2 out and wanted to make money.
KeSPA isn't stupid, they realize that in Korea there are a lot of BW fans and people who are hardcore BW fans and won't watch SC2. But they know that as a global eSport, SC2 is the future of RTS (until something different that proves itself to be more interesting than SC2 comes out). SC2 is a global arena even if Koreans are still the most dominant players, Mvp got knocked out of HSCV by Naama (finnish player), Naniwa is in the Ro8 of GSL, there are a lot of foreign tournaments where players like Stephano seem to shine and the Koreans want a piece of that action, even if it's at the cost of BW as a game.
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On July 09 2012 02:28 imakemarine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 02:15 Flip9 wrote:On July 09 2012 02:11 DyEnasTy wrote:On July 09 2012 00:55 BWalma wrote:
Its simple. People wanted a direct port of BW in 3D they got SC2 which is not a direct port. Many BW fanatics believe SC2 is "much worse." DOTA to DOTA 2 is a direct port. Nothing has changed but improved UI and ladder system. Its the game that BW fans wanted all along.
Just read the other posts how its easier to embrace a new genre then going to a "crappier" version of a game with updated graphics. No I dont think thats true. Yes we wanted a game like BW because it was so much better and unique compared to any other RTS ever. I dont think all BW fans wanted a BW in 3D. At least I didnt. I think what most bw fans wanted is that bw remains how it was, because thats what they love. It was just blizzard that pushed SC2 out and wanted to make money. KeSPA isn't stupid, they realize that in Korea there are a lot of BW fans and people who are hardcore BW fans and won't watch SC2. But they know that as a global eSport, SC2 is the future of RTS (until something different that proves itself to be more interesting than SC2 comes out). SC2 is a global arena even if Koreans are still the most dominant players, Mvp got knocked out of HSCV by Naama (finnish player), Naniwa is in the Ro8 of GSL, there are a lot of foreign tournaments where players like Stephano seem to shine and the Koreans want a piece of that action, even if it's at the cost of BW as a game.
Well, other than Sc2 theres no RTS for competitive gaming. Other than Blizzard, not many who can actually change on things that going around in this genre
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On July 09 2012 02:28 imakemarine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 02:15 Flip9 wrote:On July 09 2012 02:11 DyEnasTy wrote:On July 09 2012 00:55 BWalma wrote:
Its simple. People wanted a direct port of BW in 3D they got SC2 which is not a direct port. Many BW fanatics believe SC2 is "much worse." DOTA to DOTA 2 is a direct port. Nothing has changed but improved UI and ladder system. Its the game that BW fans wanted all along.
Just read the other posts how its easier to embrace a new genre then going to a "crappier" version of a game with updated graphics. No I dont think thats true. Yes we wanted a game like BW because it was so much better and unique compared to any other RTS ever. I dont think all BW fans wanted a BW in 3D. At least I didnt. I think what most bw fans wanted is that bw remains how it was, because thats what they love. It was just blizzard that pushed SC2 out and wanted to make money. KeSPA isn't stupid, they realize that in Korea there are a lot of BW fans and people who are hardcore BW fans and won't watch SC2. But they know that as a global eSport, SC2 is the future of RTS (until something different that proves itself to be more interesting than SC2 comes out). SC2 is a global arena even if Koreans are still the most dominant players, Mvp got knocked out of HSCV by Naama (finnish player), Naniwa is in the Ro8 of GSL, there are a lot of foreign tournaments where players like Stephano seem to shine and the Koreans want a piece of that action, even if it's at the cost of BW as a game.
Two things that might happen
OGN takes over -> GOM dies -> Global Fans complains -> Kespa isolating players due to bad management -> back to square one
GOM remains strong -> kespa getting a very small portion of the pie -> OGN can't get a hold of new sponsors but due to the hisotorical nature of OGN, S.Korean fans won't get into StarCraft 2.
Take your pick.
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If only SC2 was a remake of BW with updated UI and stuff, like Dota -> Dota 2....I wonder...
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MrHoon
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I like Dotaz because Dota was a game I played just as much as BW when I was growing up, that's all
If I played CS/Quake just as much as BW, i would be buttsexing 1.6 allday
And valve did a brilliant fucking job with Dota 2. And i want those hats couriers
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On July 09 2012 00:55 BWalma wrote:
Its simple. People wanted a direct port of BW in 3D they got SC2 which is not a direct port. Many BW fanatics believe SC2 is "much worse." DOTA to DOTA 2 is a direct port. Nothing has changed but improved UI and ladder system. Its the game that BW fans wanted all along.
DotA 2 isn't a direct port of DotA. Would be better if it was. Played so much back in the day, definitely won't in the future.
Also, your first sentence isn't true either. I, for instance, wanted nothing. BW was and is fine as it is.
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On July 09 2012 02:36 Black[CAT] wrote:
If only SC2 was a remake of BW with updated UI and stuff, like Dota -> Dota 2....I wonder...
They hired a CnC guy as their producer lol
D.B. most likely HATED BW because of its superiority.
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On July 09 2012 02:41 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 02:36 Black[CAT] wrote:
If only SC2 was a remake of BW with updated UI and stuff, like Dota -> Dota 2....I wonder... They hired a CnC guy as their producer lol D.B. most likely HATED BW because of its superiority.
Now everything makes sense!!
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