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JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
December 14 2011 18:41 GMT
#61
On December 15 2011 03:38 Al Bundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:33 Kira__ wrote:
How do people not get that last sentence? :D

There are lots of young or ignorant people in here... On TL, the less one knows, the more one talks.

Considering your post count and your quote, that says a lot about you.

jk jk
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
December 14 2011 18:41 GMT
#62
On December 15 2011 03:37 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:34 Arceus wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:29 labbe wrote:
"We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not to Johan Lucchesi from Sweden, who plays the game well."

Newsflash Mr. Chae: That's the same person.

Mr. Chae pulling some deep metaphor. He expected Naniwa to be a professional gamer but he acted like a kid himself. Kid's fault should be punished hard you know. Is it that hard to comprehend ? GJ for keep it classy Mr Chae


He probably should not have used a metaphor. Judging by some responses in this thread, people are taking the metaphor literally.

lets be honest. It's not hard to understand what he had to say at all. Are you Swede also ? As the spokesperson of GOMTV, Mr. Chae got to deliver that way. In the back hes probably like 'fuck this shit'
FoxyMayhem
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
624 Posts
December 14 2011 18:42 GMT
#63
On December 15 2011 03:38 CryingPoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:34 sinistr wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:20 CryingPoo wrote:
I also have changed the post that I made and made a referral to your thread. Once again I am deeply sorry.


This is a gross error that cannot be remedied by a simple apology. Instances like this and the misjudgements made about EG in the Providence writeup by Heyoka underscore the significant detriment to TL caused by poor reporting/journalism. Without enforcing the commentary before it is published, or prefacing controversial posts with "These statements are unvalidated and unconfirmed", all information that comes out of TL can only be taken as a rumor and possibly, entirely untrue. Posters with a lack of judgement and discretion, like CryingPoo and heyoka only serve to bring down the credibility of TL as a reputable source of information for Starcraft 2.


I am very sorry. I have been doing translating for a bit now and my intention was never to hurt a reputation of TL or cause a disruptions. I fully understand your anger and I hope you could forgive me someday. I will try my best to be extremely careful in the future.

That's a pretty legit apology. Thank you, and please do just that.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
December 14 2011 18:42 GMT
#64
On December 15 2011 03:41 JiPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:38 Al Bundy wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:33 Kira__ wrote:
How do people not get that last sentence? :D

There are lots of young or ignorant people in here... On TL, the less one knows, the more one talks.

Considering your post count and your quote, that says a lot about you.

jk jk

Yes indeed I sometimes tend to post stupid stuff, but this is a bit off-topic.
o choro é livre
stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
December 14 2011 18:42 GMT
#65
On December 15 2011 03:38 CryingPoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:34 sinistr wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:20 CryingPoo wrote:
I also have changed the post that I made and made a referral to your thread. Once again I am deeply sorry.


This is a gross error that cannot be remedied by a simple apology. Instances like this and the misjudgements made about EG in the Providence writeup by Heyoka underscore the significant detriment to TL caused by poor reporting/journalism. Without enforcing the commentary before it is published, or prefacing controversial posts with "These statements are unvalidated and unconfirmed", all information that comes out of TL can only be taken as a rumor and possibly, entirely untrue. Posters with a lack of judgement and discretion, like CryingPoo and heyoka only serve to bring down the credibility of TL as a reputable source of information for Starcraft 2.


I am very sorry. I have been doing translating for a bit now and my intention was never to hurt a reputation of TL or cause a disruptions. I fully understand your anger and I hope you could forgive me someday. I will try my best to be extremely careful in the future.

I've read a bunch of your translations and they are usually really good. So I believe you that it was an honest mistake...

But, damn dood your name certainly does not inspire confidence. Like would you want to read a translation done by a cryingpoo? Idn, imho if you want to keep translating for TL, maybe make a more innocuous name?
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 14 2011 18:42 GMT
#66
On December 15 2011 03:38 CryingPoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:34 sinistr wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:20 CryingPoo wrote:
I also have changed the post that I made and made a referral to your thread. Once again I am deeply sorry.


This is a gross error that cannot be remedied by a simple apology. Instances like this and the misjudgements made about EG in the Providence writeup by Heyoka underscore the significant detriment to TL caused by poor reporting/journalism. Without enforcing the commentary before it is published, or prefacing controversial posts with "These statements are unvalidated and unconfirmed", all information that comes out of TL can only be taken as a rumor and possibly, entirely untrue. Posters with a lack of judgement and discretion, like CryingPoo and heyoka only serve to bring down the credibility of TL as a reputable source of information for Starcraft 2.


I am very sorry. I have been doing translating for a bit now and my intention was never to hurt a reputation of TL or cause a disruptions. I fully understand your anger and I hope you could forgive me someday. I will try my best to be extremely careful in the future.


Well, while you do deserve a ban for posting incorrect and very inflammatory information, only you cannot be blamed for the hundreds of pages of drama. People should know better than trust a random poster with this kind of information. We all just got caught up and forgot to really question the source of that piece of information.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
December 14 2011 18:42 GMT
#67
On December 15 2011 03:38 Al Bundy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:33 Kira__ wrote:
How do people not get that last sentence? :D

There are lots of young or ignorant people in here... On TL, the less one knows, the more one talks.


Which is quite funny, considering you have the most posts of anyone in this thread.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
December 14 2011 18:43 GMT
#68
On December 15 2011 03:34 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:04 NHY wrote:
There is a thread with similar name with incorrect information and it is causing people to believe in false information. But I was told to piss off by OP of that thread so there is no chance he'll change what he wrote now. So, here it goes.

First of all, what Mr. Chae actually said:
프로게이머라는 직업이 사실은 이겨서 상금을 타가서 그걸로 업을 삼는다고 프로게이머라고 생각하지 않아요 프로게이머라는 직업은 승부를 가리는 것들을 시청자분들에게 보여주고 그것들을 시청자 분들이 열광하고 그것을 통해서 승부를 가리는 것을 직업으로 삼는 선수들을 프로게이머라고 저희가 생각을하고 있기 때문에 저희가 시드를 줬던것은 퀀틱 게이밍의 프로토스 프로게이머 나니와 선수였지 스웨덴에서 게임을 잘하는 청년 요한 루세시는 아니였습니다.

"We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not to Johan Lucchesi from Sweden, who plays the game well."

There was NO mention of the conduct rule, it being a "punishment", or that he is "an amateur prize money hunter."

Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads.


Ok, that's very good information, thanks.

And just to get this 100% sure, and avoid the same mistake again, can an independent translator go watch the stream and check that this transcript and translation is correct? Not that I don't trust you NHY, just to convince the most stubborn posters.

And if we get that, then maybe a link to it in the OP. cheers.

I can translate (and I did translate the last bit, independently, on page 1, right below Nazgul's post) based on the Korean text provided, but I don't know where to look for the source (stream).
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See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
December 14 2011 18:43 GMT
#69
On December 15 2011 03:33 Kira__ wrote:
How do people not get that last sentence? :D


I know I was gonna say... if people are that slow it actually makes the fact that this is so controversial make sense...
Phantom_Sky
Profile Joined August 2010
Hong Kong512 Posts
December 14 2011 18:44 GMT
#70
Mr.Chae was suggesting that he gave the Code S pro to a "pro gamer", instead of some random kid that played the game well, as he expected pro gamer to be a higher standard

the problem is just you have to honor the agreement between MLG/ GSL, Naniwa got #2 in MLG the hard way, he should not be punished just because Mr.Chae / GomTV/ Koreans have a different definition of pro gamer
loladin
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway184 Posts
December 14 2011 18:44 GMT
#71
Mr. Chae is right, playing for victory is what it's all about. Shame that he doesn't realize that there can be no victory when both players are out 0-3 from the tournament.
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
December 14 2011 18:44 GMT
#72
On December 15 2011 03:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:34 Cascade wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:04 NHY wrote:
There is a thread with similar name with incorrect information and it is causing people to believe in false information. But I was told to piss off by OP of that thread so there is no chance he'll change what he wrote now. So, here it goes.

First of all, what Mr. Chae actually said:
프로게이머라는 직업이 사실은 이겨서 상금을 타가서 그걸로 업을 삼는다고 프로게이머라고 생각하지 않아요 프로게이머라는 직업은 승부를 가리는 것들을 시청자분들에게 보여주고 그것들을 시청자 분들이 열광하고 그것을 통해서 승부를 가리는 것을 직업으로 삼는 선수들을 프로게이머라고 저희가 생각을하고 있기 때문에 저희가 시드를 줬던것은 퀀틱 게이밍의 프로토스 프로게이머 나니와 선수였지 스웨덴에서 게임을 잘하는 청년 요한 루세시는 아니였습니다.

"We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not to Johan Lucchesi from Sweden, who plays the game well."

There was NO mention of the conduct rule, it being a "punishment", or that he is "an amateur prize money hunter."

Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads.


Ok, that's very good information, thanks.

And just to get this 100% sure, and avoid the same mistake again, can an independent translator go watch the stream and check that this transcript and translation is correct? Not that I don't trust you NHY, just to convince the most stubborn posters.

And if we get that, then maybe a link to it in the OP. cheers.

I can translate (and I did translate the last bit, independently, on page 1, right below Nazgul's post) based on the Korean text provided, but I don't know where to look for the source (stream).

It should be on gomtv.com but people outside Korea can't watch it.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 14 2011 18:45 GMT
#73
On December 15 2011 03:43 OpticalShot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:34 Cascade wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:04 NHY wrote:
There is a thread with similar name with incorrect information and it is causing people to believe in false information. But I was told to piss off by OP of that thread so there is no chance he'll change what he wrote now. So, here it goes.

First of all, what Mr. Chae actually said:
프로게이머라는 직업이 사실은 이겨서 상금을 타가서 그걸로 업을 삼는다고 프로게이머라고 생각하지 않아요 프로게이머라는 직업은 승부를 가리는 것들을 시청자분들에게 보여주고 그것들을 시청자 분들이 열광하고 그것을 통해서 승부를 가리는 것을 직업으로 삼는 선수들을 프로게이머라고 저희가 생각을하고 있기 때문에 저희가 시드를 줬던것은 퀀틱 게이밍의 프로토스 프로게이머 나니와 선수였지 스웨덴에서 게임을 잘하는 청년 요한 루세시는 아니였습니다.

"We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not to Johan Lucchesi from Sweden, who plays the game well."

There was NO mention of the conduct rule, it being a "punishment", or that he is "an amateur prize money hunter."

Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads.


Ok, that's very good information, thanks.

And just to get this 100% sure, and avoid the same mistake again, can an independent translator go watch the stream and check that this transcript and translation is correct? Not that I don't trust you NHY, just to convince the most stubborn posters.

And if we get that, then maybe a link to it in the OP. cheers.

I can translate (and I did translate the last bit, independently, on page 1, right below Nazgul's post) based on the Korean text provided, but I don't know where to look for the source (stream).


ok, nice. Get this guy a VOD link and a quote in the OP and we are set.
CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
December 14 2011 18:45 GMT
#74
On December 15 2011 03:42 stokes17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:38 CryingPoo wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:34 sinistr wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:20 CryingPoo wrote:
I also have changed the post that I made and made a referral to your thread. Once again I am deeply sorry.


This is a gross error that cannot be remedied by a simple apology. Instances like this and the misjudgements made about EG in the Providence writeup by Heyoka underscore the significant detriment to TL caused by poor reporting/journalism. Without enforcing the commentary before it is published, or prefacing controversial posts with "These statements are unvalidated and unconfirmed", all information that comes out of TL can only be taken as a rumor and possibly, entirely untrue. Posters with a lack of judgement and discretion, like CryingPoo and heyoka only serve to bring down the credibility of TL as a reputable source of information for Starcraft 2.


I am very sorry. I have been doing translating for a bit now and my intention was never to hurt a reputation of TL or cause a disruptions. I fully understand your anger and I hope you could forgive me someday. I will try my best to be extremely careful in the future.

I've read a bunch of your translations and they are usually really good. So I believe you that it was an honest mistake...

But, damn dood your name certainly does not inspire confidence. Like would you want to read a translation done by a cryingpoo? Idn, imho if you want to keep translating for TL, maybe make a more innocuous name?


: ( I have requested the change.. hope it happens soon enough. Thank you for your understanding.. I never meant to bring a wrong news as I also believed that was what happened.. I have been bit offensive in the last couple of days as I was abused by people who thought I 'wrote' the article from Thisisgame, when I only translated... I guess I was bit over myself and was also offensive to this OP who could make a real contribution to this situation.. Once again I am deeply sorry.. I am also emailing Mr.Chae to explain what I did..
SlayerS_Min's Translator I Voluntary translator for the community I Commentator during Min's stream I Own channel coming soon
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 14 2011 18:46 GMT
#75
On December 15 2011 03:44 Phantom_Sky wrote:
Mr.Chae was suggesting that he gave the Code S pro to a "pro gamer", instead of some random kid that played the game well, as he expected pro gamer to be a higher standard

the problem is just you have to honor the agreement between MLG/ GSL, Naniwa got #2 in MLG the hard way, he should not be punished just because Mr.Chae / GomTV/ Koreans have a different definition of pro gamer

There was no contractual agreement. MLG/GSL did not extend to 2012 >.<
Naniwa did not have a spot, was only a candidate due to his performance.
But this is not the purpose of this thread.
bonedriven
Profile Joined August 2010
258 Posts
December 14 2011 18:46 GMT
#76
On December 15 2011 03:13 Jhax[IRE] wrote:
Can't believe more than 1 thread has been made about this whole Naniwa thing. He didn't wanna play the game but he was forced to and as a result he just threw it to get it over with, That's what 99% of human beings do when they are forced to do something they really don't want to do, the bare minimum.


The difference is if you are a pro gamer, you still want to play. And if you are great pro gamer, you still want to win, despite the result would mean shit.
Hence,"Like a Virgin."
KingVietKong
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States170 Posts
December 14 2011 18:47 GMT
#77
I can see why this happened and basically get behind it.... EXCEPT

Nestea did this at the last game of Blizzcon. The only difference is it took (56?) or so minutes, was against a teammate, and had an actual consequence. Yet no peep from any of these pro-gaming philosophers. Naniwa deserved some punishment, be it the boot or a fine of some kind, but every time someone at GOM or the head coach of IM (especially him, god wish he didn't have a twitter) talks about pro gamer ideals as the basis for this punishment, I'm reminded of that travesty of a game.

I'm glad there's rules. I just wish they were applied uniformly (and if this is an ideological thing then yes, the Blizzcon games fall under jurisdiction as far as I'm concerned).

User was temp banned for this post.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
December 14 2011 18:47 GMT
#78
I'm with you this one Mr. Chae!
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 14 2011 18:48 GMT
#79
On December 15 2011 03:47 KingVietKong wrote:
I can see why this happened and basically get behind it.... EXCEPT

Nestea did this at the last game of Blizzcon. The only difference is it took (56?) or so minutes, was against a teammate, and had an actual consequence. Yet no peep from any of these pro-gaming philosophers. Naniwa deserved some punishment, be it the boot or a fine of some kind, but every time someone at GOM or the head coach of IM (especially him, god wish he didn't have a twitter) talks about pro gamer ideals as the basis for this punishment, I'm reminded of that travesty of a game.

I'm glad there's rules. I just wish they were applied uniformly (and if this is an ideological thing then yes, the Blizzcon games fall under jurisdiction as far as I'm concerned).


uhh your assumption of nestea throwing is completely speculative. Naniwa himself said he threw the game.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
December 14 2011 18:49 GMT
#80
On December 15 2011 03:47 KingVietKong wrote:
I can see why this happened and basically get behind it.... EXCEPT

Nestea did this at the last game of Blizzcon. The only difference is it took (56?) or so minutes, was against a teammate, and had an actual consequence. Yet no peep from any of these pro-gaming philosophers. Naniwa deserved some punishment, be it the boot or a fine of some kind, but every time someone at GOM or the head coach of IM (especially him, god wish he didn't have a twitter) talks about pro gamer ideals as the basis for this punishment, I'm reminded of that travesty of a game.

I'm glad there's rules. I just wish they were applied uniformly (and if this is an ideological thing then yes, the Blizzcon games fall under jurisdiction as far as I'm concerned).

You've just slandered someone without any proof which is absolutely ridiculous
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