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NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:28:55
December 14 2011 18:04 GMT
#1
There is a thread with similar name with incorrect information and it is causing people to believe in false information. So, here it goes.

First of all, what Mr. Chae actually said:
프로게이머라는 직업이 사실은 이겨서 상금을 타가서 그걸로 업을 삼는다고 프로게이머라고 생각하지 않아요 프로게이머라는 직업은 승부를 가리는 것들을 시청자분들에게 보여주고 그것들을 시청자 분들이 열광하고 그것을 통해서 승부를 가리는 것을 직업으로 삼는 선수들을 프로게이머라고 저희가 생각을하고 있기 때문에 저희가 시드를 줬던것은 퀀틱 게이밍의 프로토스 프로게이머 나니와 선수였지 스웨덴에서 게임을 잘하는 청년 요한 루세시는 아니였습니다.

"We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not the Swedish youth Johan Lucchesi who plays the game well."

There was NO mention of the conduct rule, it being a "punishment", or that he is "an amateur prize money hunter."

Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads.
PraetorianX
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden780 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:10:01
December 14 2011 18:07 GMT
#2
Did someone tell them Johan Lucchesi actually is Naniwa?

I mean, he is who he is. Maybe GomTV should be respectful of that instead of trying to mold him into their personally preferred type of pro-gamer persona. I'm not seeing other tournaments having this problem.
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JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
December 14 2011 18:07 GMT
#3
Thank you for that information
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bro_fenix
Profile Joined February 2010
United States132 Posts
December 14 2011 18:10 GMT
#4
Hm, so I guess they wanted to say something along the lines that they invited a good player to play in GSL, but not the character that Naniwa is? I don't really know, this is all pretty confusing (0.o)
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CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
December 14 2011 18:12 GMT
#5
Sorry about misinforming. The quote was from a friend of mine who watched it in Korea which I shouldn't have posted if I wasn't sure about the source. Thank you for your contribution.
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Jhax[IRE]
Profile Joined November 2011
Ireland47 Posts
December 14 2011 18:13 GMT
#6
Can't believe more than 1 thread has been made about this whole Naniwa thing. He didn't wanna play the game but he was forced to and as a result he just threw it to get it over with, That's what 99% of human beings do when they are forced to do something they really don't want to do, the bare minimum.
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
December 14 2011 18:13 GMT
#7
That sounds alot more reasonable and appropiate (although the last bit is a bit weird) and what you'd expect to hear then the sensational "amateur prize hunter"
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creepcolony
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany362 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:14:46
December 14 2011 18:13 GMT
#8
On December 15 2011 03:07 PraetorianX wrote:
Did someone tell them Johan Lucchesi actually is Naniwa?

I mean, he is who he is. Maybe GomTV should be respectful of that instead of trying to mold him into their personally preferred type of pro-gamer persona. I'm not seeing other tournaments having this problem.


I think you dont get what they want to say.

@OP: If that is what Mr. Chae actually said, i have to take back my claims of him beeing unprofessional and more amateurish than naniwa himself. This is quite a good statement i have to say.

edit: Although i dont agree completly with what he said.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
December 14 2011 18:14 GMT
#9
On December 15 2011 03:12 CryingPoo wrote:
Sorry about misinforming. The quote was from a friend of mine who watched it in Korea which I shouldn't have posted if I wasn't sure about the source. Thank you for your contribution.


Euhhh???? Wait, you are telling us that everybody has discussed for hours about a third hand quote? This is becoming priceless.
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kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
December 14 2011 18:14 GMT
#10
On December 15 2011 03:13 Jhax[IRE] wrote:
Can't believe more than 1 thread has been made about this whole Naniwa thing. He didn't wanna play the game but he was forced to and as a result he just threw it to get it over with, That's what 99% of human beings do when they are forced to do something they really don't want to do, the bare minimum.

wha? have you worked a day in your life?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:17:31
December 14 2011 18:14 GMT
#11
I really hope it is true that they did not call him an amateur prize money hunter. Would like to see this sourced some more so that we can understand what happened.

With the last part of the quote he probably means they invited and (still) respect Naniwa for his game, and that the person behind that gamer did the things he did. Some deep shit, maybe some got lost in translation there too.

On December 15 2011 03:12 CryingPoo wrote:
Sorry about misinforming. The quote was from a friend of mine who watched it in Korea which I shouldn't have posted if I wasn't sure about the source. Thank you for your contribution.

That's messed up.. gonna discuss what we want to do with these topics.
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:15:43
December 14 2011 18:15 GMT
#12
Uh I'll give it a shot at clarifying the last statement.
"The person we gave the [Code S] seed to was Quintic Gaming's Protoss progamer Naniwa, not 'pretty good gamer from Sweden called Johan Lucchesi'."

Well, that's basically what was said in the OP, nevermind lol.
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oni_link
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany165 Posts
December 14 2011 18:15 GMT
#13
On December 15 2011 03:07 PraetorianX wrote:
Did someone tell them Johan Lucchesi actually is Naniwa?

I mean, he is who he is. Maybe GomTV should be respectful of that instead of trying to mold him into their personally preferred type of pro-gamer persona. I'm not seeing other tournaments having this problem.

I thought the same, it is rude to split him up into johan lucchesi the guy with no manner, and naniwa the beastly protoss pro gamer.
still the punishment was right and I like admins that stick to the rules for EVERYONE(coca, naniwa).
soccer teams play with their b-team when it doesnt matter, but not with their mascots(aka. probes)
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wunsun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada622 Posts
December 14 2011 18:16 GMT
#14
I think the intent was that they gave it to Naniwa, the pro player (i.e. gives the best for all games) instead of Johan Lucchesi, who probe rushed. Pretty sure they know that Johan Lucchesi is Naniwa.
Xalorian
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada433 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:18:13
December 14 2011 18:16 GMT
#15
On December 15 2011 03:04 NHY wrote:
Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads.


So... THEY GAVE THE SEED, therefore they are taking it back, therefore Naniwa is indeed losing it because of what he did.

So, it's not about "not getting invited anymore"... they taked back the seed. There was indeed a "contract".

how can we trust any of those source, anyway, since it does seem like translations are changing every hour?
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 14 2011 18:17 GMT
#16
Im so confused
stokes17
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1411 Posts
December 14 2011 18:19 GMT
#17
So does he(Naniwa=Johan) have a code S seed or no? I am so very confused by that statement.
Mise
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland580 Posts
December 14 2011 18:19 GMT
#18
On December 15 2011 03:19 stokes17 wrote:
So does he(Naniwa=Johan) have a code S seed or no? I am so very confused by that statement.

No. He had it, but lost it and it was given to Sen.
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
December 14 2011 18:20 GMT
#19
On December 15 2011 03:16 Xalorian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:04 NHY wrote:
Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads.


So... THEY GAVE THE SEED, therefore they are taking it back, therefore Naniwa is indeed losing it because of what he did.

So, it's not about "not getting invited anymore"... they taked back the seed. There was indeed a "contract".

how can we trust any of those source, anyway, since it does seem like translations are changing every hour?


1) Stay on topic please
2) I don't know how you can read what I wrote like that.
CP-Jun
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia278 Posts
December 14 2011 18:20 GMT
#20
I also have changed the post that I made and made a referral to your thread. Once again I am deeply sorry.
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