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Remaker12
United States105 Posts
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:24 justsayinbro wrote: to those saying this was a meaningless game. naniwa v nestea beef from was it ipl or mlg was huge. and wasnt this match THE MATCH to settle that score? meaningless as in advancing sure, but this game mattered to the fans a whole a lot. no, that's just what drama queens think. It's nothing more than a meaningless game or all of a sudden, every match is a grudge match LoL, cuz everyone has lost to everyone else before. Let's turn it all into useless, meaningless hype.... | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:20 nam nam wrote: Nice way to end your post, you are really giving your post credibility there. And what punishment he deserved should be reserved for what he actually did for the current organization he's working for. And if you get fired for something like that I think you should look for a different job. If I said something like "Joke organization" in a work email or gave a half-assed effort in one of my projects, you think my employer should keep me on with no repercussions? What companies have you worked for my friend? I was trying to draw a parallel to me, the working stiff, and I think I did so accurately. Sorry if you didn't enjoy my "Nani apologists" line. I just get tired of people thinking that esports stars can act however they want, whenever they want, and not face the music eventually. There are about 16,085 of them in this thread already. Cheers. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:21 ackbar wrote: The point is that Nani knew he was supposed to take his shoes off. No, that's a point. Another is whether GOM can be trusted to act responsibly as a host. | ||
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Urbz
Netherlands456 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:02 pPingu wrote: Doa opinion: http://www.itsgosu.com/game/sc2/blogs/naniwa-and-gomtv-cause-and-effect-101_127 Very nice write-up, from someone who actually knows both sides well. A must-read. <3 Doa | ||
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whereyouat
United States65 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:24 justsayinbro wrote: to those saying this was a meaningless game. naniwa v nestea beef from was it ipl or mlg was huge. and wasnt this match THE MATCH to settle that score? meaningless as in advancing sure, but this game mattered to the fans a whole a lot. Of course there was so much meaning to the match itself and for Naniwa. How could this not be a defining moment of getting comfortable in the GSL booth, against Nestea in front of hundreds and thousands of viewers on the biggest sc2 stage? How is this NOT prep for GSL Code S? Nani was immature, unprofessional, disrespectful and many other words I can think of but seriously I still cannot believe people back the notion of giving up in that situation as a PROFESSIONAL. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:23 whereyouat wrote: Yup those backing naniwa are just as juvenile as he is in that moment. I seriously cannot believe people are supporting the notion of giving up because boohoo my emotions are running me down. This must be the real way of a professional anything. Just give up when you think you have nothing to gain from it but in reality you have much to gain. Have you ever thought that maybe we aren't defending Naniwa... I don't even particually like Naniwa. Im just against the way Gom has handled this. First making them play the game to begin with was retarded. Then revoking his GUARANTEED CODE S SEED, and claiming that it was just an invite( a decision they came to after the Naniwa incedent) is downright criminal. | ||
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gwixter
Slovakia336 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:18 Canucklehead wrote: Yeah doa made a great and informative post. Props to doa! yes, but he is wrong in one point GOM didn't give spot in BlizzCup to Naniwa. they gave it to two best players at providence (whoever that might have been) just to be clear | ||
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P0ckets
United States430 Posts
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Taiki
Norway57 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:15 Affi wrote: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool No that makes them entertainers. Pro-gamers win games and money. Entertainers put on a show. And you make more money from entertainers then you do from pro-gamers. A professional player makes money of playing games. Who generate the money that he earn from playing? That's right, it's the fans that generate interest for sponsors to sponsor players, teams and leagues. So yes, a professional player is professional in the sense that he makes money by playing the game. He is en entertainer in the sense that eSports fans need to be entertained in order for him to have a income at all. Was the foreign BW scene large? Could foreign players like HuK and Idra earn the salaries they now earn then? No, I'm fairly sure they couldn't.They have the status and income they have because of their fans and followers of eSports. They should should at least play their games properly and conduct themselves professionally as thanks to their fans, teams and sponsors. That should be the bare minimum, at least in my opinion. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:26 m0ck wrote: No, they should say: "After yesterdays events, we would like to apologize to our viewers. In the course of our tournament, in more than one match one of the players participating did not play to win. In the most severe case, the player naniwa probe-rushed to a certain defeat. We do not accept nor condone this behavior. However, we accept that our tournament-format, with matches in which one or both players were already out of the tournament contributed to the situation. As such, we have come to the dicision to penalize the player Naniwa with a fine of 1000$ for not playing to win in the most obvious manner possible. We believe that by this action, and in the future being mindful of the negative consequences of certain tournament formats, we have addressed what many perceived as a disrespectful show by the player naniwa, while at the same time accepting our own culpability. We hope that everyone will accept this solution to an unfortunate situation. Please direct any comments to our forum at blablabla, where well be answering questions and comments." Add to it an apology and explanation from naniwa and things wouldn't have gotten this out of hand. No, things got out of hand because someone posted a completely inaccurate translation of Mr. Chae's statement which fueled anger at GOM. | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:18 droxe wrote: Isn't that what all spectator sports are about, to make viewers happy? If you're into wrestling, yeah. To say a sport is all about making fans happy completely discredits how entertaining a sport inherently is. It's basically saying it's okay for players to half-ass games in order to drag them out longer. ex. Huk vs Nestea | ||
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Iamyournoob
Germany595 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:23 UnprofessionalNNW wrote: Naniwa does not deserve to be called "professional" gamer. Not only did he betrayed his fans but also betrayed other fans of e-sports. E-sports is getting bigger every year because of supportive fans who want to watch entertaining matches between their favourite players. Pro players and pro leagues of any sports exist because fans desire to watch epic matches. If an immature kid just like Naniwa keeps appearing in e-sports and continues to letting down his fans, the entire e-sports would be nothing but mockery in non e-sports fans. Naniwa's immature and unprofessional action affects his team and sponsor as well. His behavior directly represents his team and sponsor. If he wants to act like lone prize hunter, then he should leave his team and should refuse all sponsors. If he's going to keep acting like an ordinary emo gamer, then he should stick to online play and should enjoy his little daily BMs. DO NOT SUPPORT THIS UNPROFESSIONAL AND IMMATURE PLAYER UNLESS HE APOLOGIZES IN PUBLIC. IT ONLY BRINGS ENTIRE E-SPORTS DOWN. Punishment where punishment is due. But I believe that taking away the Code S spot from him, which he got for his performance at MLG, is out of proportion for what he actually did. As I said above: Naniwa showed questionable and quite disrespectful behaviour on other occassions. I believe that this is why GOM actually chose such dramatical actions. Also when he was confronted with this incident, he apologized on the one hand but at the same time said Koreans would overreact. Such statements don't get you any friends either. I personally think that if Naniwa would have officially apologized to GOM and the viewers of the tournament in a way more remorseful manner, the punishment would have been less severe. | ||
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TiTanIum_
Brazil1335 Posts
Had Nani did the same thing, only in the middle of a GSL season, would he be DQ´ed from it, or just get a slap in the wrist? | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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careohx
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BBMorti
Denmark242 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:23 whereyouat wrote: Yup those backing naniwa are just as juvenile as he is in that moment. I seriously cannot believe people are supporting the notion of giving up because boohoo my emotions are running me down. This must be the real way of a professional anything. Just give up when you think you have nothing to gain from it but in reality you have much to gain. Classy comment, calling him and people who disagree with you juvenile just fuels the whole "Koreans are sensitive" stuff that is getting spewed in these discussions. In any case, reported. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:30 TiTanIum_ wrote: I have a question, which might seem stupid, so I´m sorry about it. Had Nani did the same thing, only in the middle of a GSL season, would he be DQ´ed from it, or just get a slap in the wrist? Unless the format has changed I'm not sure you can get a situation where both he and his opponent could no longer go through. If he did it in a match that mattered then he'd get an even worse punishment imo. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:51 Hubris wrote: It means you try in your games and take on the responsibility of representing your team/sport/fans/sponsors by being a gamer and entertainer first, selfish money grubbing mentality second. Do you have any indication that Naniwa is after money ? Or , as would be much more consistent with what we know about him, he cares about winning (and I mean tournaments, not irrelevant games). Frankly people touting professionalism and bashing money grabbing are funny. Professionalism in sports is based on the fact that people perform better if motivated by a lot of money  | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On December 15 2011 05:30 TiTanIum_ wrote: I have a question, which might seem stupid, so I´m sorry about it. Had Nani did the same thing, only in the middle of a GSL season, would he be DQ´ed from it, or just get a slap in the wrist? It wouldn't happen in the middle of the season because GSL matches actually mattered. If it some how did happen, he probably would get DQ'ed and I'd agree with it. In this case, it was a BS show match that meant nothing. | ||
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