EPTCorrect Mr. Chae Statement - Page 2
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kazie
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
Edit: why are so many people having a hard time figuring out what he meant? English 101, anyone? ._. | ||
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CodECleaR
United States395 Posts
I really want to know what's actually going on D: | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:20 NHY wrote: 1) Stay on topic please 2) I don't know how you can read what I wrote like that. That was ironic. An example of what everyone is doing with every quote, twisting fact to fit their opinion, again and again until everyone is confused. | ||
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IAttackYou
United States330 Posts
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
So... THEY GAVE THE SEED, therefore they are taking it back, therefore Naniwa is indeed losing it because of what he did. I think the point of the "we gave the seed" business was them saying that they had intended the seed for someone who's playing for their team and sponsors; the inclusion of Quantic Gaming's name in the original quote isn't something to gloss over. He's making a distinction between QxGNaNiwa, who has a professional obligation to Quantic (it's right there in the name!), and Johan Lucchesi the person, because they are somewhat separate entities. What NaNiwa did was understandable and human when you consider him as an island unto himself, but what he did was inappropriate for QxGNaNiwa to do as a representative of other people. | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:23 WigglingSquid wrote: This seems much better and more likely than what was reported in the first thread; it also shows a certain degree of mercy. Edit: why are so many people having a hard time figuring out what he meant? English 101, anyone? ._. Because it appears that he is treating naniwa and Johan as two entities, What he's saying is they Invited a professional, and were given an amateur so they are pulling the seed? That's the correct interpretation? | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:13 Jhax[IRE] wrote: Can't believe more than 1 thread has been made about this whole Naniwa thing. He didn't wanna play the game but he was forced to and as a result he just threw it to get it over with, That's what 99% of human beings do when they are forced to do something they really don't want to do, the bare minimum. In this case you have to face the results. Also, this 99% thing is BS. If I´d believe 99% of the worlds population are arrogant, immature, disrespectful kids I would go kill myself. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:19 Mise wrote: No. He had it, but lost it and it was given to Sen. If anything it was given to idra and sen was going to get the other invite. Idra had already been invited to up and down matches with demuslim but now he got a bump up to code S | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:26 corpuscle wrote: I think the point of the "we gave the seed" business was them saying that they had intended the seed for someone who's playing for their team and sponsors; the inclusion of Quantic Gaming's name in the original quote isn't something to gloss over. He's making a distinction between QxGNaNiwa, who has a professional obligation to Quantic (it's right there in the name!), and Johan Lucchesi the person, because they are somewhat separate entities. What NaNiwa did was understandable and human when you consider him as an island unto himself, but what he did was inappropriate for QxGNaNiwa to do as a representative of other people. Not to mention as a representative of the GSL as a whole. If I recall right they've taken action on behaviour by individual players on the ladder (choya?), completely unrelated to the GSL itself. This is mr. Chae saying that there is such a thing as a higher standard for pro-gamers when it comes to the GSL. | ||
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
Newsflash Mr. Chae: That's the same person. EDIT: I forgot the no joke policy, sorry  | ||
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sekritzzz
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
But I think in the end of the day, the facts are pretty clear, no matter the wording of what was said: - Naniwa was originally going to be one of the Code S seeds, but this privilege has now been taken back. If he was not going to be a seed, GOM would've quickly jumped in to clarify things when it was announced that Naniwa was playing in Code S. - I think that GOM has a reasonable justification of revoking the Code S privilege, based on what happened (Naniwa probe rushing). I think it's less harsh in banning him for one season. - The choice of language by GOM was due to mis-translations. - And I'm pretty sure this revised translation by the OP means that Mr Chae is saying that the professional gamer Naniwa was invited to Code S, not some guy "Johan Lucchesi who plays SC2", implying that as a professional, you need to adhere to certain standards and not do what you like, as Johan Lucchesi would do. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:29 labbe wrote: "We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not to Johan Lucchesi from Sweden, who plays the game well." Newsflash Mr. Chae: That's the same person. You're taking it too literally. That's not what he meant. Read nazgul's post. | ||
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shadymmj
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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RainCoat
Sweden142 Posts
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Clefairy
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:29 labbe wrote: "We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not to Johan Lucchesi from Sweden, who plays the game well." Newsflash Mr. Chae: That's the same person. Are you serious? | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:04 NHY wrote: There is a thread with similar name with incorrect information and it is causing people to believe in false information. But I was told to piss off by OP of that thread so there is no chance he'll change what he wrote now. So, here it goes. First of all, what Mr. Chae actually said: "We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not to Johan Lucchesi from Sweden, who plays the game well." There was NO mention of the conduct rule, it being a "punishment", or that he is "an amateur prize money hunter." Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads. Ok, that's very good information, thanks. And just to get this 100% sure, and avoid the same mistake again, can an independent translator go watch the stream and check that this transcript and translation is correct? Not that I don't trust you NHY, just to convince the most stubborn posters.  And if we get that, then maybe a link to it in the OP. cheers. | ||
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