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machinehead, you definitely fucked up your advertising.
your op is scattered, unfocused, and doesn't have a rate quote. you should have spent another hour organizing and formatting stuff and making sure you didn't misspell anything. say stuff that is short and to the point, i.e. you are a strong player who is willing to coach for a modest fee. but you really gotta put out a number out there, or you really appear to not know what the fuck you are doing. you may think that people are cheap as fuck and will go for most bang for the buck with group lessons, but some people do not like group lessons and would like to pay a good quote for private lessons. and from inc's successes people are willing to shell out decent cash.
also, you should put out more material that gives a sample of your teaching. as some poster above said, it is really shallow of you to think that releasing your reppack means that the teaching is over. people have been watching reps since the beginning of 1.08 patch, but not everyone is able to extract the pertinent information in the replays and learn the high level of thinking by the players. if you are really scared of that, it is understandable. but that doesn't mean you should only release one replay. teaching is not all about being good yourself, but it is being able to help others. you could analyze someone else's replay (say C- level), make a voice over vod with tips, and then put it on youtube. or you could host a few free sessions and build up your customer base. there is a reason why new restaurants or stores have grand opening days where they sell everything for cheap as fuck. i suggest you give that some thought.
good luck with this stuff, and put in a little more effort so people don't think you're just a sloppy quack who's trying to scam people out of their money.
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I would argue that these days TSL is more the event that foreigners care about than WCG. Look at the participation this year you didn't even break A- barely got into the top 100 in the final standings. When you claim to be top 16 in the context of your own monetary gain it is not "childish" for them to refute that claim. Especially when they are not using their own rank to try and make money.
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To G5, I didn't start playing till 2005 or so, so I don't know about WCG then. You are a very weird guy. You are good enough to beat a lot of the players in the top 16 of USA, does that discredit them from being top 16?
To someone that isn't known like me, cause I don't join teams and just now started posting, I doubt listing an iccup rank that many people could achieve would hold the same significance as listing players that people actually know and respect. Personally, I would rather hear that you beat Bisu than got A rank on iccup. Abusers can get get A rank on iccup. Show me proof of you playing well against a good player, seems more logical to me.
If anyone was interested in having me help you, G5 is way more gosu and I'm sure he would like to help you, or else he wouldn't have a reason to troll the thread so you should pm him, instead.
My OP isn't very organized because it was a spur of the moment thing and my interest depends on others interest. If none are interested I'd just assume move on to something else and forget. Rather than have some grand scheme already.
I don't want to charge a lot, so I figured that would squelch a lot of stuff in itself. I'm simply being lazy on depositing to a poker site...
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On January 06 2010 03:51 machinehead.. wrote:
To G5, I didn't start playing till 2005 or so, so I don't know about WCG then. You are a very weird guy. You are good enough to beat a lot of the players in the top 16 of USA, does that discredit them from being top 16?
To someone that isn't known like me, cause I don't join teams and just now started posting, I doubt listing an iccup rank that many people could achieve would hold the same significance as listing players that people actually know and respect. Personally, I would rather hear that you beat Bisu than got A rank on iccup. Abusers can get get A rank on iccup. Show me proof of you playing well against a good player, seems more logical to me.
If anyone was interested in having me help you, G5 is way more gosu and I'm sure he would like to help you, or else he wouldn't have a reason to troll the thread so you should pm him, instead.
No that only means hes higher ranked than them this is how a ranking system works.
As to the abusers thing that is completely rediculous because abusers are cheating they get banned and removed from the ladder. This isn't even relevant. Attaining the A rank is an impressive achievement for a foreigner, A+ even more so. I would rather see a player do that LEGITAMATELY than take one game off of a progamer that notion is rediculous.
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On January 06 2010 03:51 machinehead.. wrote:
Personally, I would rather hear that you beat Bisu than got A rank on iccup. Abusers can get get A rank on iccup. Show me proof of you playing well against a good player, seems more logical to me.
That's terrible logic since everyone loses to everyone eventually. Achieving a rank means sustaining play at that level, not at a single game.
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When I get on iccup, since I don't join teams and I don't have clan wars to practice for, I'm more than content to play on non motws. You try getting A- on iccup while not playing motws, it's damn near impossible. And if you do, it meant you played A LOT of games or had an 80% win ratio. You can have a high ICCUP rank and not be able to beat top foreigner players in a legit game/not some cheese BO.
Just look at all the people that abused in the last TSL. You think those people would have been caught if it weren't for TSL meaning something? Players get ranks they don't deserve all the time. If someone beats bisu and you are looking for help on SC, it probably means they can help you. But I guess everyone can beat everyone. Can't wait for next years WCG when the Koreans won't finish 1,2,3. Boxer's tvp is a joke.
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Im teaching for 1$ an hour any interested pm me lol !
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On January 06 2010 03:30 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:22 MorroW[MB] wrote:
just some tips; if u want to convince ppl to pay u for teaching u first have to impress them with ur skills instead of a price. and saying that u can play on b- level and have beaten some top foreigner once isnt going to cut it. u might want to add a replay pack or some sort, i feel like thats a more concrete way to see how good u r I hear you and that's probably something you should do. But in reality, if you give your rep pack out, they may as well just stop there and copy you. The premise is the pricing should be very affordable and if you are below b- caliber, then you should be able to gain something from it. If not, what have you lost? A few dollars? If you don't get better then just quit... It's not a big commitment...
so by following ur argument cant just ppl watch flash vods and replays instead of listen to u? cause if u have flash vods and reps thats all u need according to what u just said. the teacher is there to support and explain and just copying replays isnt the same thing, so i dont see how u think releasing ur replays will spoil anything.
On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me.
i got #2 in tsl i dont think im second best in teamliquid starleague so far (sorry for bragging just trying to prove a point here). the thing is u can say u got top16 in usa in 1 wcg thats fine, but it doesnt mean ur top16 best in usa, im sure there are alots of people in usa who are better than u hearing that ur only b- and didnt play for many years
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From my perspective, no one has any reason to give you anything. You're unknown and are skirting every question instead of providing answers. You have given one replay from 2007 and have the support of gretorp. Why don't you properly organize your thoughts, actually write what you are offering and for what, who you are, and then reopen a new thread?
Here's the difference: When I see Inc's post, it's very well organized. That gives me the feeling he's actually thought about what he's going to say, and he's going to be prompt and act quickly. When I read your post, it sounds like you're not actually going to do anything and have planned nothing. It seems like you just threw this together for shits and giggles and are going to stop giving lessons in a week when you get tired of it.
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On January 06 2010 04:00 machinehead.. wrote:
When I get on iccup, since I don't join teams and I don't have clan wars to practice for, I'm more than content to play on non motws. You try getting A- on iccup while not playing motws, it's damn near impossible. And if you do, it meant you played A LOT of games or had an 80% win ratio. You can have a high ICCUP rank and not be able to beat top foreigner players in a legit game/not some cheese BO.
Okay what does not joining teams or playing motw have to do with anything?
Secondly that is exactly the point we're trying to make to you. Your iCCup rank and 2 replay is zero proof that your a high quality player worth paying money to be taught how to play SC. Thats why G5 mentioned all those tournaments and LAN. iCCup rank isnt everything but if you can sustain that rank over a period of time instead of just hitting A- and stop gaming so you can say you're an A- player that says more than linking replays of specific wins vs known players.
edit: ninja edit, okay most of the players who were removed from the TSL weren't massively abusing up an entire rank. They were people who were picking up a couple extra free wins to try and get the extra points to qualify this is completely different than people who abuse on iCCup. Saying that someone abused to A rank is a completely different story than getting 2-3 freewins to try and qualify.
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On January 06 2010 02:28 Chill wrote:
I will help anyone at 0.9(x), where x is the rate you agree on with Machinehead. PM me.
My credentials are I moderate a starcraft forum and I play SNES games on a stream while the koreans are out of school because they are too good for me. Also I 3-1 Combat-Ex and dodged him yesterday when he asked me for a re while I was at work.
Ahh come on Chill, noob smash him again. Dont forget what he said about your girlfriend! Gotta love the drama.
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On January 06 2010 04:03 Chill wrote:
From my perspective, no one has any reason to give you anything. You're unknown and are skirting every question instead of providing answers. You have given one replay from 2007 and have the support of gretorp. Why don't you properly organize your thoughts, actually write what you are offering and for what, who you are, and then reopen a new thread?
Here's the difference: When I see Inc's post, it's very well organized. That gives me the feeling he's actually thought about what he's going to say, and he's going to be prompt and act quickly. When I read you're OP, it sounds like you're not actually going to do anything and have planned nothing.
I'm not looking for help, so naturally I would rather tailor what I provide around what THEY want. I'd rather fit their mold then vice-versa. Instead of trying to bring people down a level, if you think you can provide a better service, then just do the same thing.... no one is stopping you. Such childish behavior.
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oh sorry i double posted
edit: accomplishments doesnt prove how good u r, it just convinces
edit: why is there no delete post option for noobs like me? xd
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On January 06 2010 04:07 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 04:03 Chill wrote:
From my perspective, no one has any reason to give you anything. You're unknown and are skirting every question instead of providing answers. You have given one replay from 2007 and have the support of gretorp. Why don't you properly organize your thoughts, actually write what you are offering and for what, who you are, and then reopen a new thread?
Here's the difference: When I see Inc's post, it's very well organized. That gives me the feeling he's actually thought about what he's going to say, and he's going to be prompt and act quickly. When I read you're OP, it sounds like you're not actually going to do anything and have planned nothing. I'm not looking for help, so naturally I would rather tailor what I provide around what THEY want. I'd rather fit their mold then vice-versa. Instead of trying to bring people down a level, if you think you can provide a better service, then just do the same thing.... no one is stopping you. Such childish behavior.
How is it childish? We're questioning your methods, if you were starting up a business having someone pick apart your business model and ask questions with the express intent of trying to discredit it and find little flaws is a good thing. Instead of taking it as criticism why dont you try and take what we're saying to you to improve your pitch. Prove to people that your services are worth paying for.
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Give the guy a break.. He's using this thread as a last resort to get some money to play poker for christ sake xD
You don't have to keep saying Top 8, Top 16 USA thou... That means doesn't mean ur even decent..
USA, atm has 1 excellent player, like ~2 who are good and another ~2 who are decent. The rest of them are kinda bad.. srsly...
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No offense, but I don't really respect a lot of the people that were giving their 2 cents. And to players like G5 and Morrow, I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in what you could teach them, so you should think about it, too.
I'm just looking to have fun and add a few dollars to a poker account... hardly turn it into a real business at this stage. It's a win/win for both parties, even if I haven't reached the rank of "super gosu" that could help Bisu win more games.... The point is, there is always someone better than you, and someone that finds you worthless as a player. But as long as you have something to offer people that are not on your level, then it's a positive for them. No need to dissect it more than that.
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Here let me rewrite your OP:
Starcraft Coaching by machinehead Do you feel that people put too much emphasis on rank? Would you like to know that you can beat high level players? Do you need help with general gameplay and tactics? Do you need help on a specific matchup or beating a specific build? I plan on being able to help players with TVZ, TVP, PVT and PVP. I am a B+ level player who has on different occasions managed to play with and beat some high level foreigners. My achievements include qualifying for WCG USA top 16 twice, and a top 100 finish in the TSL qualifier stage. Anyways, if you want to achieve better results in SC, and look to get an edge through strategy, and not just superior mechanics, then I hope I could be of assistance to you. (This paragraph is copy pasted it's good) I am willing to be flexible on pricing or allow for joint sessions so that players can split the costs. ((Provide a base pay rate, multiple offers are good, $/hr or $ per set number of hours)) Different ways that I am willing to help you: ((feel free to use any of these)) - Team Melee Sessions so I can watch you play and give real time feedback
- Replay analysis yours and mine with detailed strategy overview
- Strategy FAQ sessions on builds and counter builds
My TSL account can be found here and here is a selection of replays so you can see that my services are worth your time: ((post replays here more than 2 but you dont have to drop an entire folder in))
This is somewhat more organized and give a much more professional feel to the post than your OP.
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On January 06 2010 04:25 n3m0 wrote:
Give the guy a break.. He's using this thread as a last resort to get some money to play poker for christ sake xD
You don't have to keep saying Top 8, Top 16 USA thou... That means doesn't mean ur even decent..
USA, atm has 1 excellent player, like ~2 who are good and another ~2 who are decent. The rest of them are kinda bad.. srsly...
I think you are selling USA short there. You would need to at least be a B+ player to get top 16 USA. Top 16 simply helps put it in perspective for some that are from USA that want to get better. A lot of people can say ambiguous things like "I'm 'good,'" or that I got a rank on iccup through cheesing. Qualifying for WCG's is simply a better means to quantify your skill -- although maybe not to players unaware of the USA scene.
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i actually do teach for money, and some clanmates/practice partners for free. anyhow i was just trying to help u by giving u some tips why u rnt convincing anyone. i never said u wasnt too bad to teach cause i have no idea how good u r (this is why its good to upload reps)
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