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Starcraft Coaching by machinehead
Do you feel that people put too much emphasis on rank? Would you like to know that you can beat high level players? Do you need help with general gameplay and tactics? Do you need help on a specific matchup or beating a specific build?
I plan on being able to help players with TVZ, TVP, PVT and PVP. I am a B+ level player who has on different occasions managed to play with and beat some high level foreigners. My achievements include qualifying for WCG USA top 16 twice, and a top 100 finish in the TSL qualifier stage.
Anyways, if you want to achieve better results in SC, and look to get an edge through strategy, and not just superior mechanics, then I hope I could be of assistance to you.
I am willing to be flexible on pricing or allow for joint sessions so that players can split the costs. ((Provide a base pay rate, multiple offers are good, $/hr or $ per set number of hours))
Different ways that I am willing to help you: ((feel free to use any of these))
* Team Melee Sessions so I can watch you play and give real time feedback
* Replay analysis yours and mine with detailed strategy overview
* Strategy FAQ sessions on builds and counter builds
My TSL account can be found here is a selection of replays so you can see that my services are worth your time:
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This is great.
Greater would be people volunteering to do that :p
Good luck with the progress =)
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On January 06 2010 01:16 CapO wrote:
who are you, again?
O sorry, I was tsl-playa. in the last tsl. I qualified for WCG USA top 16 two times, once under gh-playa and the other I used "endlesssorrows."
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you're the guy who agreed to postpone our match and then showed up and took a walkover right?
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From seeing the first few responses all I can say is GL man.
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On January 06 2010 01:21 IdrA wrote:
you're the guy who agreed to postpone our match and then showed up and took a walkover right?
lol..
this should get interesting.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On January 06 2010 01:21 IdrA wrote:
you're the guy who agreed to postpone our match and then showed up and took a walkover right?
Who gives a shit?
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you're the guy who makes dt and reavers from 1base vs terran right?
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I'm that guy that agreed to postpone our match (never acknowledged by an admin), and posted a walkover under the stipulation that if we could play at another time I would love to. In the end, we got to play and it was the biggest non story ever, as it should have been... It was an unfortunate situation and I feel bad about how it was handled, still. But painting me out as a cheater or a shady person is anything but me.
Anyways, I'm glad to see that you did so well last year. It was well deserved.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=92369¤tpage=48
+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2009 05:57 MachineHead wrote:
Laurent, SHUT THE FUCK UP. I'm done with you. I don't want you to hold my hand, I want you to fuck off and relinquish your position as you have obviously failed to provide and adequately ran tourney. You are no help. If it wasn't for being required to deal with you, I would never say shit to you. Hopefully that can start soon.
I'm not putting up with stupid shit created every tourney, that is is created by your void. Though to be fair, if you were here to help, how much help would it actually be. So maybe that is why your are absent.
Last year I went to play my games in the round of 8, but someone didn't want to play me so they submitted the walkover anyways. No admins showed up that day or for the rest of the tourney, and there was no support option then. I'm fed up with this bull shit.
You can go fuck yourself. .
This is you, yes? The same person who cussed out the WCG staff and got banned from TL?
This is not a rhetorical question. I just wanted to make sure we're on the same page here.
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Why does it matter what he did IdrA... If that mattered people would be saying :oh yeah he's that douche who just bm's" Or as i hear from someone >_> deleting replays at a lan while everyone is sleeping because you got rolled a few times.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Damn, you must be really good if you've been using mobile turrets since 2006 like Flash does nowadays.
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I see what's going on here, judging from all the negative comments in Inc's post and also in here... people don't like others making money off something they can't... I think that's a pretty accurate statement!
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Calgary25980 Posts
Pricing?
Link to ICCup account please?
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
I'm curious as to how much you're charging for instruction. I might be interested if the price is right.
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Kyo yuy, I am, because that wcg admin was quite possibly the worst person at his job in the history of mankind. He was the guy that didn't show up for our matches, or answer any of the pms I sent him till a day later. Not only that, but I told him not to make the walkover official unless we couldn't play the games at another time -- something I wanted, but he still gave me shit for it, when if he did his job there wouldn't have been an issue to begin with. I don't want to get in a flame war or rehash history that isn't relevant to anything.
Either some people are interested in help or they aren't, not sure what this has to do with anything.
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I might seem a little offtopic, but what's a walkover o.0?
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 06 2010 02:10 ProoM wrote:
I might seem a little offtopic, but what's a walkover o.0?
Opponent doesn't show. Free win.
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On January 06 2010 02:07 Roffles wrote:
I'm curious as to how much you're charging for instruction. I might be interested if the price is right.
I don't want to alienate people, and it is just a game, so hopefully the price can reflect that; if it's one on one it will probably have to be a little more, but if it's a few at a time, then the prices could be be better. I'm curious to what others would find reasonable and what they would want to see happen during the time and how long of a session. Analyzing your replays, playing against you, theory crafting, etc.
It's either I'm playing micro stakes or I'm helping someone out, so per hour maybe something around 3 dollars if it's a joint session.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 06 2010 02:13 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:07 Roffles wrote:
I'm curious as to how much you're charging for instruction. I might be interested if the price is right. I don't want to alienate people, and it is just a game, so hopefully the price can reflect that; if it's one on one it will probably have to be a little more, but if it's a few at a time, then the prices could be be better. I'm curious to what others would find reasonable and what they would want to see happen during the time and how long of a session. Analyzing your replays, playing against you, theory crafting, etc.
I'm curious to know the ACTUAL rate. Can you give me an estimate?
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Gotta be qualified in order to teach. Got to have achieved something impressive. You present no value and ask for monetary compensation. How is "group" sessions going to help anyone? its just going to be a waste of money. The market has spoken.
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tbh I'm not sure why people would pay for your services since nobody knows who you are. And can pay for better known people services.
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Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you.
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On January 06 2010 02:15 itzme_petey wrote:
Gotta be qualified in order to teach. Got to have achieved something impressive. You present no value and ask for monetary compensation. How is "group" sessions going to help anyone? its just going to be a waste of money. The market has spoken.
Says who? You need 0 qualification to teach, just need an audiance...
On January 06 2010 02:15 AoN.DimSum wrote:
tbh I'm not sure why people would pay for your services since nobody knows who you are. And can pay for better known people services.
I know who he is and plenty of others do as well. Plus as along as he has high ranks I dont see why people care what he has accomplished, maybe he just likes to play the game and doesn't need tournaments to tell him he is good? Didn't nyoken do the same thing? He always lays low.
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Braavos36375 Posts
for $5/hr this is probably worth it
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I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you?
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Braavos36375 Posts
On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you?
How about $4.65/hr
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On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr
I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On January 06 2010 02:24 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though.
$100/hr
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On January 06 2010 02:24 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:24 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though. $100/hr
-3$ an hour.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
I still haven't gotten my question answered. I'm looking for a legit price, not some insane HotBid offer.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:24 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though. $100/hr -3$ an hour.
$3/hr
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On January 06 2010 02:25 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though. $100/hr -3$ an hour. $3/hr
10000$ an hour.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:25 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though. $100/hr -3$ an hour. $3/hr 10000$ an hour.
$2.25/hr
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Haypro says your not good, i dont know if i should believe him..
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Minimum wage is about 7.25/hr.
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On January 06 2010 02:26 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though. $100/hr -3$ an hour. $3/hr 10000$ an hour. $2.25/hr
deal
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:24 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though. $100/hr -3$ an hour.
I think this is a great deal. I'd be willing to pay -3 dollars an hour for some training. God knows I could use some help.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On January 06 2010 02:26 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:26 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though. $100/hr -3$ an hour. $3/hr 10000$ an hour. $2.25/hr deal
Deal, OP will train you at $2.25/hr hour for 4 hours, see you tomorrow at 8pm EST
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 06 2010 02:27 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:26 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:26 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though. $100/hr -3$ an hour. $3/hr 10000$ an hour. $2.25/hr deal Deal, OP will train you at $2.25/hr hour for 4 hours, see you tomorrow at 8pm EST
What's the group rate if I get in on this?
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Calgary25980 Posts
I will help anyone at 0.9(x), where x is the rate you agree on with Machinehead. PM me.
My credentials are I moderate a starcraft forum and I play SNES games on a stream while the koreans are out of school because they are too good for me. Also I 3-1 Combat-Ex and dodged him yesterday when he asked me for a re while I was at work.
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Belgium9947 Posts
God, Mexicans are crashing the coaching market
2.25/hr?
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On January 06 2010 02:26 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:24 littlechava wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 Hot_Bid wrote:On January 06 2010 02:23 littlechava wrote:
I'm interested in personal 1v1 training. How does 0$ an hour work for you? How about $4.65/hr I'm willing to pay .30$ an hour. That's my limit though. $100/hr -3$ an hour. $3/hr 10000$ an hour. $2.25/hr
40 per hour.
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why are you guys shitting this thread
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coz the op is not wiling to tell even approx price :S
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On January 06 2010 02:21 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:15 itzme_petey wrote:
Gotta be qualified in order to teach. Got to have achieved something impressive. You present no value and ask for monetary compensation. How is "group" sessions going to help anyone? its just going to be a waste of money. The market has spoken. Says who? You need 0 qualification to teach, just need an audiance...
Says a logical person who isnt an idiot. But I guess idiots are going to be the only people who consider this.
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A logical person would assume that teaching requires a person to know a subject thoroughly and have achievements/certifications/experience to prove that knowledge. Let me break that down even more for you buddy.
Person --> knowledge --> certification/achievements/experience --> teach
Teaching DOES require qualification (in either of those forms). The term "teaching" itself implies experience/knowledge/certification.
However, BULLSHITTING requires 0 qualifications, just an audience.
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you should do a live stream and cover some of the stuff you would have in a lesson like gretorp does.
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On January 06 2010 02:33 itzme_petey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:21 GreEny K wrote:On January 06 2010 02:15 itzme_petey wrote:
Gotta be qualified in order to teach. Got to have achieved something impressive. You present no value and ask for monetary compensation. How is "group" sessions going to help anyone? its just going to be a waste of money. The market has spoken. Says who? You need 0 qualification to teach, just need an audiance... Says a logical person who isnt an idiot. But I guess idiots are going to be the only people who consider this. + Show Spoiler +
A logical person would assume that teaching requires a person to know a subject thoroughly and have achievements/certifications/experience to prove that knowledge. Let me break that down even more for you buddy.
Person --> knowledge --> certification/achievements/experience --> teach
Teaching DOES require qualification (in either of those forms). The term "teaching" itself implies experience/knowledge/certification.
However, BULLSHITTING requires 0 qualifications, just an audience.
Ok, you play him 100 times and IF you beat him once I will agree to yuor statement, however he knows more about the game than yuo ever will -_- which gives him knowledge, and he has been playing this game for a while so he has experience, and his qualificationsa re that he has been in WCG multiple times... You sir, have no argument
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On January 06 2010 02:44 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:33 itzme_petey wrote:On January 06 2010 02:21 GreEny K wrote:On January 06 2010 02:15 itzme_petey wrote:
Gotta be qualified in order to teach. Got to have achieved something impressive. You present no value and ask for monetary compensation. How is "group" sessions going to help anyone? its just going to be a waste of money. The market has spoken. Says who? You need 0 qualification to teach, just need an audiance... Says a logical person who isnt an idiot. But I guess idiots are going to be the only people who consider this. + Show Spoiler +
A logical person would assume that teaching requires a person to know a subject thoroughly and have achievements/certifications/experience to prove that knowledge. Let me break that down even more for you buddy.
Person --> knowledge --> certification/achievements/experience --> teach
Teaching DOES require qualification (in either of those forms). The term "teaching" itself implies experience/knowledge/certification.
However, BULLSHITTING requires 0 qualifications, just an audience. Ok, you play him 100 times and IF you beat him once I will agree to yuor statement, however he knows more about the game than yuo ever will -_- which gives him knowledge, and he has been playing this game for a while so he has experience, and his qualificationsa re that he has been in WCG multiple times... You sir, have no argument calm down bro
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Honestly, I think he's getting a bit too much flack for what he's shown so far. Give him a chance.
You'd be best to hold your patience, Machine, and just do some free training with a couple people to get some testimonials IMO.
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You can joke about it if you want, it's not something I'm desperate to do, but simply something I'm capable of doing that would also help me in poker... All foreign players are "bad" compared to Koreans; the point is if someone is better than you, then they can help you get better -- even if you are still "not good enough." If any are truly interested just PM me, and I could help you next week.
I just want to have fun with it. If you know gretorp... when both active I think we are around the same skill level, so maybe you can use that as a gauge...
A lot of top players just play incredibly standard and win games through better macro/micro. A lot of the lesser players don't have the macro and micro to get the results of others, even if they follow them step by step. I feel like I could help those players win more off strategy than mechanics.
If people want to get better, that's their prerogative. If not, just the same, but I see no point in trolling. I deleted a lot of my replays a month ago, but this is uploaded on a site do to it being taken off wgt: one of my wins versus mondragon http://reps.ru/replays.php?replay=comment&id=6859# I'm not proclaiming to be a gosu... but unless you are B+/A- I could prob help you, and especially if you are a lot lower than that.
I realize it's a standard replay, but my play style has changed greatly: a lot more friendly to the lesser skilled I think.
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wow I never knew machinehead = tsl-playa haha I could use some coaching on how to defend dt rush into 11 minute recall. lmao.
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Wait, you're not machine, are you?
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On January 06 2010 02:44 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:33 itzme_petey wrote:On January 06 2010 02:21 GreEny K wrote:On January 06 2010 02:15 itzme_petey wrote:
Gotta be qualified in order to teach. Got to have achieved something impressive. You present no value and ask for monetary compensation. How is "group" sessions going to help anyone? its just going to be a waste of money. The market has spoken. Says who? You need 0 qualification to teach, just need an audiance... Says a logical person who isnt an idiot. But I guess idiots are going to be the only people who consider this. + Show Spoiler +
A logical person would assume that teaching requires a person to know a subject thoroughly and have achievements/certifications/experience to prove that knowledge. Let me break that down even more for you buddy.
Person --> knowledge --> certification/achievements/experience --> teach
Teaching DOES require qualification (in either of those forms). The term "teaching" itself implies experience/knowledge/certification.
However, BULLSHITTING requires 0 qualifications, just an audience. Ok, you play him 100 times and IF you beat him once I will agree to yuor statement, however he knows more about the game than yuo ever will -_- which gives him knowledge, and he has been playing this game for a while so he has experience, and his qualificationsa re that he has been in WCG multiple times... You sir, have no argument
Must I keep having to point out things that are implied? Do you consider quality of experience/knowledge/achievements a factor? Typically people consider that.. How is playing in WCG an achievement, was there a consistent placement in top 5 or so? Or is this a HovZ self-valuation thing?
There is no one good that is vouching for him.
EDIT: But no more shitting on this thread.
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On January 06 2010 02:52 machinehead.. wrote:You can joke about it if you want, it's not something I'm desperate to do, but simply something I'm capable of doing that would also help me in poker... All foreign players are "bad" compared to Koreans; the point is if someone is better than you, then they can help you get better -- even if you are still "not good enough." If any are truly interested just PM me, and I could help you next week. I just want to have fun with it. If you know gretorp... when both active I think we are around the same skill level, so maybe you can use that as a gauge... A lot of top players just play incredibly standard and win games through better macro/micro. A lot of the lesser players don't have the macro and micro to get the results of others, even if they follow them step by step. I feel like I could help those players win more off strategy than mechanics. If people want to get better, that's their prerogative. If not, just the same, but I see no point in trolling. I deleted a lot of my replays a month ago, but this is uploaded on a site do to it being taken off wgt: one of my wins versus mondragon http://reps.ru/replays.php?replay=comment&id=6859# I'm not proclaiming to be a gosu... but unless you are B+/A- I could prob help you, and especially if you are a lot lower than that. I realize it's a standard replay, but my play style has changed greatly: a lot more friendly to the lesser skilled I think.
Hmm... 2+ year old replay vs Mondragon
I see you're playing hardball
I'll raise my price your rate to 2.30$ an hour
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On January 06 2010 02:56 itzme_petey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:44 GreEny K wrote:On January 06 2010 02:33 itzme_petey wrote:On January 06 2010 02:21 GreEny K wrote:On January 06 2010 02:15 itzme_petey wrote:
Gotta be qualified in order to teach. Got to have achieved something impressive. You present no value and ask for monetary compensation. How is "group" sessions going to help anyone? its just going to be a waste of money. The market has spoken. Says who? You need 0 qualification to teach, just need an audiance... Says a logical person who isnt an idiot. But I guess idiots are going to be the only people who consider this. + Show Spoiler +
A logical person would assume that teaching requires a person to know a subject thoroughly and have achievements/certifications/experience to prove that knowledge. Let me break that down even more for you buddy.
Person --> knowledge --> certification/achievements/experience --> teach
Teaching DOES require qualification (in either of those forms). The term "teaching" itself implies experience/knowledge/certification.
However, BULLSHITTING requires 0 qualifications, just an audience. Ok, you play him 100 times and IF you beat him once I will agree to yuor statement, however he knows more about the game than yuo ever will -_- which gives him knowledge, and he has been playing this game for a while so he has experience, and his qualificationsa re that he has been in WCG multiple times... You sir, have no argument Must I keep having to point out things that are implied? Do you consider quality of experience/knowledge/achievements a factor? There is no one good that is vouching for him. EDIT: But no more shitting on this thread.
Give it some time, people will vouch for him, also how is beating mondragon in a WCG match not quality? For foreigners WCG is as good as it gets...
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On January 06 2010 02:52 machinehead.. wrote:You can joke about it if you want, it's not something I'm desperate to do, but simply something I'm capable of doing that would also help me in poker... All foreign players are "bad" compared to Koreans; the point is if someone is better than you, then they can help you get better -- even if you are still "not good enough." If any are truly interested just PM me, and I could help you next week. I just want to have fun with it. If you know gretorp... when both active I think we are around the same skill level, so maybe you can use that as a gauge... A lot of top players just play incredibly standard and win games through better macro/micro. A lot of the lesser players don't have the macro and micro to get the results of others, even if they follow them step by step. I feel like I could help those players win more off strategy than mechanics. If people want to get better, that's their prerogative. If not, just the same, but I see no point in trolling. I deleted a lot of my replays a month ago, but this is uploaded on a site do to it being taken off wgt: one of my wins versus mondragon http://reps.ru/replays.php?replay=comment&id=6859# I'm not proclaiming to be a gosu... but unless you are B+/A- I could prob help you, and especially if you are a lot lower than that. I realize it's a standard replay, but my play style has changed greatly: a lot more friendly to the lesser skilled I think.
That replay is from may 07 apparently... and on Luna.
Do you have more recent replays? The game changed a lot since then.
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Awesome that you're doing this, it's about time that you did!
I've known playa for about 5 years, and I think he's one of the smartest players I know. He lacks execution, but through years of knowing him, i've taken at least 80% of his ideas and if ever I'm in a road block, he helps me out incredibly. I always look to him as being the go to person and I feel he is much stronger than me in terms of theory, strategies, and positioning. You guys really shouldn't be so bm about this because he is a very strong theoretical player.
He is probably the reason I've gotten the way I've gotten today.
And for the people who think that teaching cannot be done without accomplishments, that is completely false. Saying that you need accomplishments to be able to teach is implying that only accomplishments imply that you have the ability to play the game correctly. Because Starcraft has the added execution part, it adds in a variable which is not applicable to this logic. For example, take any D+ ranked player. They understand that you need to spread all marines and medics against lurkers to be effective and win the battle, but they can't necessarily do that. Does that mean they cannot teach or explain how to beat lurkers?
Anyway, I fully support this and strongly encourage any player who is looking to get better to try. I wouldn't be where I was today without Playa.
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So your the guy who strictly plays PvT loves unorthodox play, and still refuse to regame me after I do 1rax CC TvP?
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On January 06 2010 03:01 Oystein wrote:
So your the guy who strictly plays PvT loves unorthodox play, and still refuse to regame me after I do 1rax CC TvP?
You didn't pay him -.-
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My last game with gretorp (during tsl) http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=28216. Gretorp is really a good player and if you like aggressive style of play, you should deff try getting teaching from him. I prefer more eco based strategies.
By no means am I a great player, I just hope that I could help some people. I qualified for 2 WCG lans, I went to 1 -- I forfeited a tiebreak game against nesh that decided who would go to finals. Driving 7 hours then playing evade 2 games, both an hour each can effect your decision making.
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just some tips; if u want to convince ppl to pay u for teaching u first have to impress them with ur skills instead of a price. and saying that u can play on b- level and have beaten some top foreigner once isnt going to cut it. u might want to add a replay pack or some sort, i feel like thats a more concrete way to see how good u r
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I like how nearly everyone in this thread is a jerk to this guy, then the mods even spam it.
Give the guy a chance, if you don't want to buy, don't buy.
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Gretorp! I've missed you. I'm in love with your tvp (haven't seen your other mu's lately), and you definitely didn't get that style from me  I still think hallucination is the counter to ghosts, but... you did lock down my arbiter inspite of it, so obviously you are the man.
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Canada380 Posts
On January 06 2010 03:25 machinehead.. wrote:
Gretorp! I've missed you.
hes too busy dodging the students that were willing to pay him ^^
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Morrow is right people aren't going to pay (shouldn't pay) for lessons with someone who has provided a small amount of replays. Why not provide your TSL pack or at least part of it (more than just a couple games) so people can see what they're paying for.
If you're talking about true coaching and not just replay analysis then providing more replays isnt going to interfere with your possible coaching and will increase your chances of actually getting people to buy into this.
edits: spelling
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On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you.
"im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8"
uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16.
Who are you again?
Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here.
On January 06 2010 02:55 Empyrean wrote:
Wait, you're not machine, are you?
no he isn't
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On January 06 2010 03:22 MorroW[MB] wrote:
just some tips; if u want to convince ppl to pay u for teaching u first have to impress them with ur skills instead of a price. and saying that u can play on b- level and have beaten some top foreigner once isnt going to cut it. u might want to add a replay pack or some sort, i feel like thats a more concrete way to see how good u r
I hear you and that's probably something you should do. But in reality, if you give your rep pack out, they may as well just stop there and copy you. The premise is the pricing should be very affordable and if you are below b- caliber, then you should be able to gain something from it. If not, what have you lost? A few dollars? If you don't get better then just quit... It's not a big commitment...
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United States42689 Posts
Well I think using tl to advertise your shit is pretty cheap. If you want to try and make money out of tls users then there's a banner at the top you can rent. Advertise properly and pay for it. But you're not a tl veteran and you're using forum space to try and make money out of tl members. And that's kinda frowned upon. At least inc as the decency to only use his own blog to do it and he was tl staff for ages.
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On January 06 2010 03:29 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you. "im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8" uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16. Who are you again? Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here.
G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me. I haven't played you since years ago in a WCG qualifier. If it makes you feel good, you did beat me. Your PVT is one of the best in the USA. If you want a pat on the back just ask me.
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On January 06 2010 03:30 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:22 MorroW[MB] wrote:
just some tips; if u want to convince ppl to pay u for teaching u first have to impress them with ur skills instead of a price. and saying that u can play on b- level and have beaten some top foreigner once isnt going to cut it. u might want to add a replay pack or some sort, i feel like thats a more concrete way to see how good u r I hear you and that's probably something you should do. But in reality, if you give your rep pack out, they may as well just stop there and copy you. The premise is the pricing should be very affordable and if you are below b- caliber, then you should be able to gain something from it. If not, what have you lost? A few dollars? If you don't get better then just quit... It's not a big commitment...
I completely disagree, if you are offering coaching then just copying replays will not be helpful. You need to be able to offer strategic advice and actual useful tips on why you did what you did in those replays. People who copy replays and replay build orders are often left not understanding why the player built what they built or why they changed their build as they did. To be able to gain something from those replays truly they'd need to be talking to the person who played them so they can explain why they did what they did. And that is one thing you can offer.
Offering your rep pack isnt going to just kill any chance you have of profit, and if you truly believe that you should give up now because that shows you have an incorrect view on what coaching players in SC means.
edit: PS just because you qualified into a tournament that is the top 16 doesn't mean you are a top 16 player. In order to be ranked in the top 16 this is something that needs to be repeated and have many wins vs those players in the top 16
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Calgary25980 Posts
On January 06 2010 03:32 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:29 G5 wrote:On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you. "im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8" uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16. Who are you again? Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here. G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me. I haven't played you since years ago in a WCG qualifier. If it makes you feel good, you did beat me. Your PVT is one of the best in the USA. If you want a pat on the back just ask me.
The top X players in any tournament in anything are not necessarily the top X players at that time.
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On January 06 2010 03:32 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:29 G5 wrote:On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you. "im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8" uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16. Who are you again? Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here. G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me. I haven't played you since years ago in a WCG qualifier. If it makes you feel good, you did beat me. Your PVT is one of the best in the USA. If you want a pat on the back just ask me.
WCG USA Finals, Top 2-3 in qualifiers for wcg numerous times, wcg regionals (back in the day), usa tournaments like patriotic eagles tournament, war of the states (when top usa players actually play it), bwusa tournaments (when they were aorund), repeated good performances at large lans around the united states such as NH lan's in 07 w/ idra, nony, artosis, machine, me etc... all attending and repeated good performances vs top usa players would all canidate you for top 16 usa. Since I don't know who you are, I am assuming you haven't done n e of these things.
Listing a few good players you have taken a game off doesn't qualify you for anything. I have beaten players in the caliber of Bisu / Boxer but I am no where near them. 1 game means shit. But I am giving you an opportunity. If you would like to know realistically where you are in top usa, I will gladly bo5 or bo7 your right now. Hell, I will even play all races to see your other mu's and tell you where you are compared to the top players in usa because I know first hand experience through thousands of games where everyone worth mentioning is generally at in the usa scene. Then maybe you will have something to actually back up claims about how good you are and then maybe your dream will come true and you will make some small amount of $ teaching sc to newbs.
P.S. I will take that pat on the back ty very much ^.^
On January 06 2010 03:35 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:32 machinehead.. wrote:On January 06 2010 03:29 G5 wrote:On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you. "im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8" uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16. Who are you again? Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here. G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me. I haven't played you since years ago in a WCG qualifier. If it makes you feel good, you did beat me. Your PVT is one of the best in the USA. If you want a pat on the back just ask me. The top X players in any tournament in anything are not necessarily the top X players at that time.
this = truth
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WCG is the one event foreigners care about. People that are not active come out of retirement just for it. I can't think of 1 player that was good in USA that didn't play in it when I qualified -- maybe chosen, if he played then. You are trying to split hairs when it's irrelevant to begin with. Seems childish.
I'm not desperate for the money, not asking for anything extravagant. And it certainly won't be the end of the world for me if none are interested. If some are interested in help, then I'm interested. If not, no biggie to me.
To the players that are super gosu, way more gosu than me, perhaps you should offer to help others out then. If your rate is good enough, I might even be interested.
When someone is offering a service for monetary means, it kinda seems like everything else in society... No need to demean it or treat it as begging. You are always free to do the same, I was simply putting out a flier after seeing the demand and the lack of people helping atm.
Just PM if you are untested and I'm sure I will be extremely flexible on pricing... Again, I'm not claiming to be godly at SC, simply good enough to help some people. Surely there are some players out there that are worse than me atm. Then again, maybe not...
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Canada9720 Posts
'seems childish'. says the guy who is terrible at this game and is trying to scam D- newbs out of pocket change rofl!!!!!!!
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machinehead, you definitely fucked up your advertising.
your op is scattered, unfocused, and doesn't have a rate quote. you should have spent another hour organizing and formatting stuff and making sure you didn't misspell anything. say stuff that is short and to the point, i.e. you are a strong player who is willing to coach for a modest fee. but you really gotta put out a number out there, or you really appear to not know what the fuck you are doing. you may think that people are cheap as fuck and will go for most bang for the buck with group lessons, but some people do not like group lessons and would like to pay a good quote for private lessons. and from inc's successes people are willing to shell out decent cash.
also, you should put out more material that gives a sample of your teaching. as some poster above said, it is really shallow of you to think that releasing your reppack means that the teaching is over. people have been watching reps since the beginning of 1.08 patch, but not everyone is able to extract the pertinent information in the replays and learn the high level of thinking by the players. if you are really scared of that, it is understandable. but that doesn't mean you should only release one replay. teaching is not all about being good yourself, but it is being able to help others. you could analyze someone else's replay (say C- level), make a voice over vod with tips, and then put it on youtube. or you could host a few free sessions and build up your customer base. there is a reason why new restaurants or stores have grand opening days where they sell everything for cheap as fuck. i suggest you give that some thought.
good luck with this stuff, and put in a little more effort so people don't think you're just a sloppy quack who's trying to scam people out of their money.
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I would argue that these days TSL is more the event that foreigners care about than WCG. Look at the participation this year you didn't even break A- barely got into the top 100 in the final standings. When you claim to be top 16 in the context of your own monetary gain it is not "childish" for them to refute that claim. Especially when they are not using their own rank to try and make money.
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To G5, I didn't start playing till 2005 or so, so I don't know about WCG then. You are a very weird guy. You are good enough to beat a lot of the players in the top 16 of USA, does that discredit them from being top 16?
To someone that isn't known like me, cause I don't join teams and just now started posting, I doubt listing an iccup rank that many people could achieve would hold the same significance as listing players that people actually know and respect. Personally, I would rather hear that you beat Bisu than got A rank on iccup. Abusers can get get A rank on iccup. Show me proof of you playing well against a good player, seems more logical to me.
If anyone was interested in having me help you, G5 is way more gosu and I'm sure he would like to help you, or else he wouldn't have a reason to troll the thread so you should pm him, instead.
My OP isn't very organized because it was a spur of the moment thing and my interest depends on others interest. If none are interested I'd just assume move on to something else and forget. Rather than have some grand scheme already.
I don't want to charge a lot, so I figured that would squelch a lot of stuff in itself. I'm simply being lazy on depositing to a poker site...
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On January 06 2010 03:51 machinehead.. wrote:
To G5, I didn't start playing till 2005 or so, so I don't know about WCG then. You are a very weird guy. You are good enough to beat a lot of the players in the top 16 of USA, does that discredit them from being top 16?
To someone that isn't known like me, cause I don't join teams and just now started posting, I doubt listing an iccup rank that many people could achieve would hold the same significance as listing players that people actually know and respect. Personally, I would rather hear that you beat Bisu than got A rank on iccup. Abusers can get get A rank on iccup. Show me proof of you playing well against a good player, seems more logical to me.
If anyone was interested in having me help you, G5 is way more gosu and I'm sure he would like to help you, or else he wouldn't have a reason to troll the thread so you should pm him, instead.
No that only means hes higher ranked than them this is how a ranking system works.
As to the abusers thing that is completely rediculous because abusers are cheating they get banned and removed from the ladder. This isn't even relevant. Attaining the A rank is an impressive achievement for a foreigner, A+ even more so. I would rather see a player do that LEGITAMATELY than take one game off of a progamer that notion is rediculous.
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Calgary25980 Posts
On January 06 2010 03:51 machinehead.. wrote:
Personally, I would rather hear that you beat Bisu than got A rank on iccup. Abusers can get get A rank on iccup. Show me proof of you playing well against a good player, seems more logical to me.
That's terrible logic since everyone loses to everyone eventually. Achieving a rank means sustaining play at that level, not at a single game.
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When I get on iccup, since I don't join teams and I don't have clan wars to practice for, I'm more than content to play on non motws. You try getting A- on iccup while not playing motws, it's damn near impossible. And if you do, it meant you played A LOT of games or had an 80% win ratio. You can have a high ICCUP rank and not be able to beat top foreigner players in a legit game/not some cheese BO.
Just look at all the people that abused in the last TSL. You think those people would have been caught if it weren't for TSL meaning something? Players get ranks they don't deserve all the time. If someone beats bisu and you are looking for help on SC, it probably means they can help you. But I guess everyone can beat everyone. Can't wait for next years WCG when the Koreans won't finish 1,2,3. Boxer's tvp is a joke.
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Im teaching for 1$ an hour any interested pm me lol !
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On January 06 2010 03:30 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:22 MorroW[MB] wrote:
just some tips; if u want to convince ppl to pay u for teaching u first have to impress them with ur skills instead of a price. and saying that u can play on b- level and have beaten some top foreigner once isnt going to cut it. u might want to add a replay pack or some sort, i feel like thats a more concrete way to see how good u r I hear you and that's probably something you should do. But in reality, if you give your rep pack out, they may as well just stop there and copy you. The premise is the pricing should be very affordable and if you are below b- caliber, then you should be able to gain something from it. If not, what have you lost? A few dollars? If you don't get better then just quit... It's not a big commitment...
so by following ur argument cant just ppl watch flash vods and replays instead of listen to u? cause if u have flash vods and reps thats all u need according to what u just said. the teacher is there to support and explain and just copying replays isnt the same thing, so i dont see how u think releasing ur replays will spoil anything.
On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me.
i got #2 in tsl i dont think im second best in teamliquid starleague so far (sorry for bragging just trying to prove a point here). the thing is u can say u got top16 in usa in 1 wcg thats fine, but it doesnt mean ur top16 best in usa, im sure there are alots of people in usa who are better than u hearing that ur only b- and didnt play for many years
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Calgary25980 Posts
From my perspective, no one has any reason to give you anything. You're unknown and are skirting every question instead of providing answers. You have given one replay from 2007 and have the support of gretorp. Why don't you properly organize your thoughts, actually write what you are offering and for what, who you are, and then reopen a new thread?
Here's the difference: When I see Inc's post, it's very well organized. That gives me the feeling he's actually thought about what he's going to say, and he's going to be prompt and act quickly. When I read your post, it sounds like you're not actually going to do anything and have planned nothing. It seems like you just threw this together for shits and giggles and are going to stop giving lessons in a week when you get tired of it.
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On January 06 2010 04:00 machinehead.. wrote:
When I get on iccup, since I don't join teams and I don't have clan wars to practice for, I'm more than content to play on non motws. You try getting A- on iccup while not playing motws, it's damn near impossible. And if you do, it meant you played A LOT of games or had an 80% win ratio. You can have a high ICCUP rank and not be able to beat top foreigner players in a legit game/not some cheese BO.
Okay what does not joining teams or playing motw have to do with anything?
Secondly that is exactly the point we're trying to make to you. Your iCCup rank and 2 replay is zero proof that your a high quality player worth paying money to be taught how to play SC. Thats why G5 mentioned all those tournaments and LAN. iCCup rank isnt everything but if you can sustain that rank over a period of time instead of just hitting A- and stop gaming so you can say you're an A- player that says more than linking replays of specific wins vs known players.
edit: ninja edit, okay most of the players who were removed from the TSL weren't massively abusing up an entire rank. They were people who were picking up a couple extra free wins to try and get the extra points to qualify this is completely different than people who abuse on iCCup. Saying that someone abused to A rank is a completely different story than getting 2-3 freewins to try and qualify.
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On January 06 2010 02:28 Chill wrote:
I will help anyone at 0.9(x), where x is the rate you agree on with Machinehead. PM me.
My credentials are I moderate a starcraft forum and I play SNES games on a stream while the koreans are out of school because they are too good for me. Also I 3-1 Combat-Ex and dodged him yesterday when he asked me for a re while I was at work.
Ahh come on Chill, noob smash him again. Dont forget what he said about your girlfriend! Gotta love the drama.
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On January 06 2010 04:03 Chill wrote:
From my perspective, no one has any reason to give you anything. You're unknown and are skirting every question instead of providing answers. You have given one replay from 2007 and have the support of gretorp. Why don't you properly organize your thoughts, actually write what you are offering and for what, who you are, and then reopen a new thread?
Here's the difference: When I see Inc's post, it's very well organized. That gives me the feeling he's actually thought about what he's going to say, and he's going to be prompt and act quickly. When I read you're OP, it sounds like you're not actually going to do anything and have planned nothing.
I'm not looking for help, so naturally I would rather tailor what I provide around what THEY want. I'd rather fit their mold then vice-versa. Instead of trying to bring people down a level, if you think you can provide a better service, then just do the same thing.... no one is stopping you. Such childish behavior.
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oh sorry i double posted
edit: accomplishments doesnt prove how good u r, it just convinces
edit: why is there no delete post option for noobs like me? xd
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On January 06 2010 04:07 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 04:03 Chill wrote:
From my perspective, no one has any reason to give you anything. You're unknown and are skirting every question instead of providing answers. You have given one replay from 2007 and have the support of gretorp. Why don't you properly organize your thoughts, actually write what you are offering and for what, who you are, and then reopen a new thread?
Here's the difference: When I see Inc's post, it's very well organized. That gives me the feeling he's actually thought about what he's going to say, and he's going to be prompt and act quickly. When I read you're OP, it sounds like you're not actually going to do anything and have planned nothing. I'm not looking for help, so naturally I would rather tailor what I provide around what THEY want. I'd rather fit their mold then vice-versa. Instead of trying to bring people down a level, if you think you can provide a better service, then just do the same thing.... no one is stopping you. Such childish behavior.
How is it childish? We're questioning your methods, if you were starting up a business having someone pick apart your business model and ask questions with the express intent of trying to discredit it and find little flaws is a good thing. Instead of taking it as criticism why dont you try and take what we're saying to you to improve your pitch. Prove to people that your services are worth paying for.
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Give the guy a break.. He's using this thread as a last resort to get some money to play poker for christ sake xD
You don't have to keep saying Top 8, Top 16 USA thou... That means doesn't mean ur even decent..
USA, atm has 1 excellent player, like ~2 who are good and another ~2 who are decent. The rest of them are kinda bad.. srsly...
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No offense, but I don't really respect a lot of the people that were giving their 2 cents. And to players like G5 and Morrow, I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in what you could teach them, so you should think about it, too.
I'm just looking to have fun and add a few dollars to a poker account... hardly turn it into a real business at this stage. It's a win/win for both parties, even if I haven't reached the rank of "super gosu" that could help Bisu win more games.... The point is, there is always someone better than you, and someone that finds you worthless as a player. But as long as you have something to offer people that are not on your level, then it's a positive for them. No need to dissect it more than that.
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Here let me rewrite your OP:
Starcraft Coaching by machinehead Do you feel that people put too much emphasis on rank? Would you like to know that you can beat high level players? Do you need help with general gameplay and tactics? Do you need help on a specific matchup or beating a specific build? I plan on being able to help players with TVZ, TVP, PVT and PVP. I am a B+ level player who has on different occasions managed to play with and beat some high level foreigners. My achievements include qualifying for WCG USA top 16 twice, and a top 100 finish in the TSL qualifier stage. Anyways, if you want to achieve better results in SC, and look to get an edge through strategy, and not just superior mechanics, then I hope I could be of assistance to you. (This paragraph is copy pasted it's good) I am willing to be flexible on pricing or allow for joint sessions so that players can split the costs. ((Provide a base pay rate, multiple offers are good, $/hr or $ per set number of hours)) Different ways that I am willing to help you: ((feel free to use any of these)) - Team Melee Sessions so I can watch you play and give real time feedback
- Replay analysis yours and mine with detailed strategy overview
- Strategy FAQ sessions on builds and counter builds
My TSL account can be found here and here is a selection of replays so you can see that my services are worth your time: ((post replays here more than 2 but you dont have to drop an entire folder in))
This is somewhat more organized and give a much more professional feel to the post than your OP.
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On January 06 2010 04:25 n3m0 wrote:
Give the guy a break.. He's using this thread as a last resort to get some money to play poker for christ sake xD
You don't have to keep saying Top 8, Top 16 USA thou... That means doesn't mean ur even decent..
USA, atm has 1 excellent player, like ~2 who are good and another ~2 who are decent. The rest of them are kinda bad.. srsly...
I think you are selling USA short there. You would need to at least be a B+ player to get top 16 USA. Top 16 simply helps put it in perspective for some that are from USA that want to get better. A lot of people can say ambiguous things like "I'm 'good,'" or that I got a rank on iccup through cheesing. Qualifying for WCG's is simply a better means to quantify your skill -- although maybe not to players unaware of the USA scene.
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i actually do teach for money, and some clanmates/practice partners for free. anyhow i was just trying to help u by giving u some tips why u rnt convincing anyone. i never said u wasnt too bad to teach cause i have no idea how good u r (this is why its good to upload reps)
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On January 06 2010 04:32 MorroW[MB] wrote:
i actually do teach for money, and some clanmates/practice partners for free. anyhow i was just trying to help u by giving u some tips why u rnt convincing anyone. i never said u wasnt too bad to teach cause i have no idea how good u r (this is why its good to upload reps)
I appreciate the help then. Perhaps I will make a rep pack of future games in a week or so. I'm hesitant to get caught up in teaching a lot of SC though, as I do want to focus some on poker. I've always thought that if I can see someone's games, then I can understand the thought process and there would be no need to talk to them. But perhaps not everyone has that mindset.
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Kennigit
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Why don't you use this time to sign up for PokerStrategy.com and get good at poker so you don't need to fund your bank roll with a few dollars teaching sc players? (sick plug amirite?)
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You guys should allow USA players, btw...
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Hahaha Kennigit that was epic.
And ps Machinehead when you keep talkinga bout the only reason you're doing is so you can focus on poker that makes you sound less reliable. It makes it sound like poker is more important to you than SC which would make people hesitate to take SC lessons from you.
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On January 06 2010 04:29 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 04:25 n3m0 wrote:
Give the guy a break.. He's using this thread as a last resort to get some money to play poker for christ sake xD
You don't have to keep saying Top 8, Top 16 USA thou... That means doesn't mean ur even decent..
USA, atm has 1 excellent player, like ~2 who are good and another ~2 who are decent. The rest of them are kinda bad.. srsly... I think you are selling USA short there. You would need to at least be a B+ player to get top 16 USA. Top 16 simply helps put it in perspective for some that are from USA that want to get better. A lot of people can say ambiguous things like "I'm 'good,'" or that I got a rank on iccup through cheesing. Qualifying for WCG's is simply a better means to quantify your skill -- although maybe not to players unaware of the USA scene.
Well now it seems ur contradicting yourself.. First you say that it's easy to achieve A/A- with cheesy bo's or abusing on iccup, then you answer my post based on iccup ranking...
I'm talking very seriously here, I do think most USA players are overrated.. I've seen a couple of USA players on TSL 1st page with A- and I don't really know how they got there lol..
I don't want to start a flamewar nor mention any names.. but have you ever watched Lzgamer's stream? :D I'm just saying.. he got A- and he hm... well you know ;;
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On January 06 2010 04:46 n3m0 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 04:29 machinehead.. wrote:On January 06 2010 04:25 n3m0 wrote:
Give the guy a break.. He's using this thread as a last resort to get some money to play poker for christ sake xD
You don't have to keep saying Top 8, Top 16 USA thou... That means doesn't mean ur even decent..
USA, atm has 1 excellent player, like ~2 who are good and another ~2 who are decent. The rest of them are kinda bad.. srsly... I think you are selling USA short there. You would need to at least be a B+ player to get top 16 USA. Top 16 simply helps put it in perspective for some that are from USA that want to get better. A lot of people can say ambiguous things like "I'm 'good,'" or that I got a rank on iccup through cheesing. Qualifying for WCG's is simply a better means to quantify your skill -- although maybe not to players unaware of the USA scene. Well now it seems ur contradicting yourself.. First you say that it's easy to achieve A/A- with cheesy bo's or abusing on iccup, then you answer my post based on iccup ranking... I'm talking very seriously here, I do think most USA players are overrated.. I've seen a couple of USA players on TSL 1st page with A- and I don't really know how they got there lol.. I don't want to start a flamewar nor mention any names.. but have you ever watched Lzgamer's stream? :D I'm just saying.. he got A- and he hm... well you know ;;
Lz bashing = 
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I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc...
On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one?
1.iDra & Artosis (cuz he is gosu)
2.NoNy
3.Love (if he still plays)
4.inControl
5.Nyoken
6.Yoshi
7.G5
8.Louder
9.KawiiRice
10.LzGamer
11.Chosen
12.Mercury
13.Scan
14.iNka
15.Evade
16.Tasteless? lol
I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =)
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I admire the goal of helping others and if people don't want to pay a small fee for a service no big deal. Still, some things should be said.
First truth -- I knew playa a bit when he was starting out, but I cant speak much to how well hes gotten. From recent reps I can backup that he says he plays somewhat unorthodox, and that he seems good enough to help out many players. Anyone that is B+ and can speak about starcraft well is probaby able to helps lots of people.
Second truth -- Like LeoTheLion said, get your shit together. The op is terribly organized. You edited the op, and it is better now, but it is nowhere near the level of incontrol, who is handling it much more professionally.
Third truth -- the vast amount of players will only care if you are a known name, which incontrol is due to being around forever and having high post count. That and only being ~16th in skill is hardly going to impress.
Decent idea. Badly executed. Not going to get many people anyway.
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u forgot about eX-v1o)Semih, A- toss (i think a- max) and lastshadow (A terran!!!!)
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On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:
I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc...
On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one?
1.iDra & Artosis (cuz he is gosu)
2.NoNy
3.Love (if he still plays)
4.inControl
5.Nyoken
6.Yoshi
7.G5
8.Louder
9.KawiiRice
10.LzGamer
11.Chosen
12.Mercury
13.Scan
14.iNka
15.Evade
16.Tasteless? lol
I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol
i doubt that listing..
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On  January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc... On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one? 1.  IdrA & Artosis (cuz he is gosu) 2.  NonY3. Love (if he still plays) 4.inControl 5.Nyoken 6.Yoshi 7.G5 8.Louder 9.KawiiRice 10.LzGamer 11.Chosen 12. Mercury13.Scan 14.iNka 15.Evade 16.Tasteless? lol I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =)
Tasteless is terrible atm afaik ;D. You could edit that list with someone like mmmm: Assem? aaaaaand Machine for example... ;D
Gosugamer's top 15 americans (number on the left = foreign rankings from all countries, numbers on the right = points that ranking is bases of)
#1 IdrA (1495)
#75 Nyoken (1104)
#76 Yosh (1103)
#80 Chosen (1094)
#86 Kiwibird (1086)
#94 Tear (1075)
#95 Assem (1074)
#120 Bamboo (1050)
#137 Gretorp (1037)
#146 Lee (1028)
#149 Semih (1026)
#180 bOngsmOke (1013)
#188 LzGaMeR (1011)
#193 Machine (1009)
#207 Sadist (1004)
p.s. No. 16 = #223 G5 (1001)
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You have to charge less than incontrol and if you are protoss main race then you are probably more skilled than inc with P so I would use that as a main selling point. I don't believe this to be profitable hourly rate though.
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I feel like you took more shit than was deserved, machine, but you still deserved some shit because nobody knows if you're good. This would be like me offering to coach people when I don't even play Starcraft. My qualifications? I watch Day[9]'s cast, and abascus live translating the coaches means that I know all about the current metagame. For srs, strategical tips, just buy me dinner.
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On January 06 2010 01:21 IdrA wrote:
you're the guy who agreed to postpone our match and then showed up and took a walkover right?
ahahaha not such a good start
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This post is the biggest LOL I've ever seen xD
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iNcontroL
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On January 06 2010 05:03 ProoM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc... On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one? 1. IdrA & Artosis (cuz he is gosu) 2. NonY3. Love (if he still plays) 4.inControl 5.Nyoken 6.Yoshi 7.G5 8.Louder 9.KawiiRice 10.LzGamer 11.Chosen 12. Mercury13.Scan 14.iNka 15.Evade 16.Tasteless? lol I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =) Tasteless is terrible atm afaik ;D. You could edit that list with someone like mmmm: Assem? aaaaaand Machine for example... ;D Gosugamer's top 15 americans (number on the left = foreign rankings from all countries, numbers on the right = points that ranking is bases of) #1 IdrA (1495) #75 Nyoken (1104) #76 Yosh (1103) #80 Chosen (1094) #86 Kiwibird (1086) #94 Tear (1075) #95 Assem (1074) #120 Bamboo (1050) #137 Gretorp (1037) #146 Lee (1028) #149 Semih (1026) #180 bOngsmOke (1013) #188 LzGaMeR (1011) #193 Machine (1009) #207 Sadist (1004) p.s. No. 16 = #223 G5 (1001)
Who gives a f*** about gg.net ranking? srsly ._.a
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On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:
I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc...
On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one?
1.iDra & Artosis (cuz he is gosu)
2.NoNy
3.Love (if he still plays)
4.inControl
5.Nyoken
6.Yoshi
7.G5
8.Louder
9.KawiiRice
10.LzGamer
11.Chosen
12.Mercury
13.Scan
14.iNka
15.Evade
16.Tasteless? lol
I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =)
1. artosis ahaha
I thought scan was korean..
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On January 06 2010 03:35 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:32 machinehead.. wrote:On January 06 2010 03:29 G5 wrote:On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you. "im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8" uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16. Who are you again? Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here. G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me. I haven't played you since years ago in a WCG qualifier. If it makes you feel good, you did beat me. Your PVT is one of the best in the USA. If you want a pat on the back just ask me. The top X players in any tournament in anything are not necessarily the top X players at that time.
Thats not true, we all know Day[9] was 9th best player in the world at 2005 
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On January 06 2010 05:43 n3m0 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 05:03 ProoM wrote:On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc... On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one? 1. IdrA & Artosis (cuz he is gosu) 2. NonY3. Love (if he still plays) 4.inControl 5.Nyoken 6.Yoshi 7.G5 8.Louder 9.KawiiRice 10.LzGamer 11.Chosen 12. Mercury13.Scan 14.iNka 15.Evade 16.Tasteless? lol I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =) Tasteless is terrible atm afaik ;D. You could edit that list with someone like mmmm: Assem? aaaaaand Machine for example... ;D Gosugamer's top 15 americans (number on the left = foreign rankings from all countries, numbers on the right = points that ranking is bases of) #1 IdrA (1495) #75 Nyoken (1104) #76 Yosh (1103) #80 Chosen (1094) #86 Kiwibird (1086) #94 Tear (1075) #95 Assem (1074) #120 Bamboo (1050) #137 Gretorp (1037) #146 Lee (1028) #149 Semih (1026) #180 bOngsmOke (1013) #188 LzGaMeR (1011) #193 Machine (1009) #207 Sadist (1004) p.s. No. 16 = #223 G5 (1001) Who gives a f*** about gg.net ranking? srsly ._.a
I do, because I got put on that list! fuck yeah!
#120 Bamboo (1050) represent.
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I wonder why there is so much hate here. I've never seen any good player want to teach to some strangers for free, so some people might be interested in it.
I'm a D+ / C- player at most and I'm pretty sure I could be of some help for most of D- players, so with his rank I'm pretty sure he could help tons of players like me (unfortunately for him I don't have nor time nor motivation to hope getting better one day..)
Only real problem with his post I see there is that it should be a blog.
And yes, he hasn't accomplish must in the past but I'm pretty sure lots of people would pay for having lessons from top foreigners; if only they offered that.
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On January 06 2010 05:48 Valentine wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 05:43 n3m0 wrote:On January 06 2010 05:03 ProoM wrote:On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc... On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one? 1. IdrA & Artosis (cuz he is gosu) 2. NonY3. Love (if he still plays) 4.inControl 5.Nyoken 6.Yoshi 7.G5 8.Louder 9.KawiiRice 10.LzGamer 11.Chosen 12. Mercury13.Scan 14.iNka 15.Evade 16.Tasteless? lol I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =) Tasteless is terrible atm afaik ;D. You could edit that list with someone like mmmm: Assem? aaaaaand Machine for example... ;D Gosugamer's top 15 americans (number on the left = foreign rankings from all countries, numbers on the right = points that ranking is bases of) #1 IdrA (1495) #75 Nyoken (1104) #76 Yosh (1103) #80 Chosen (1094) #86 Kiwibird (1086) #94 Tear (1075) #95 Assem (1074) #120 Bamboo (1050) #137 Gretorp (1037) #146 Lee (1028) #149 Semih (1026) #180 bOngsmOke (1013) #188 LzGaMeR (1011) #193 Machine (1009) #207 Sadist (1004) p.s. No. 16 = #223 G5 (1001) Who gives a f*** about gg.net ranking? srsly ._.a I do, because I got put on that list! fuck yeah! represent.
ahah :p
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This thread is going out of control, more and more every second...
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On January 06 2010 05:54 amoxicilline wrote:
I wonder why there is so much hate here. I've never seen any good player want to teach to some strangers for free, so some people might be interested in it.
I don't think you read any of either of his OPs correctly.
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Poor machinehead...
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On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:
I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc...
On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one?
1.iDra & Artosis (cuz he is gosu)
2.NoNy
3.Love (if he still plays)
4.inControl
5.Nyoken
6.Yoshi
7.G5
8.Louder
9.KawiiRice
10.LzGamer
11.Chosen
12.Mercury
13.Scan
14.iNka
15.Evade
16.Tasteless? lol
I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =)
1.MachineHead 
2.Game
3.HuntaH
4.TimeStop
5.Ambrosia
6.NigoL
7.CaiHonG
8.NerO
9.CrAzY-X17
10.RonBurgendy
11.HungTran
12.Scan
13.WannaBeCool
14.Sonic
15.Vanilla
16.EG.Machine
USA's best players in order
Your welcome
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Guys, Incontrol is a well-known player and has more incentive to make it more professional -- as it could become a "big" business. This was a spur of the moment thing for me and I'm not sure if I even want to attract lots of people. With that said, I'm still eager to help some people who need/want it.
As far as top 16 USA, not that it matters and is hard to really pinpoint it due to all the inactivity at any given time, but it probably looks like this:
1) Idra
2) Nony
3) Day
4) Incontrol
5) G5
6) Lastgosu
7) Nyoken
8) Yosh
9) Chosen
10) Froz
11) LZ
12) Gretorp
13 Artosis
14) Machine (zerg player)
15) Semih
16)
When active, I have "officially" made it 2 times. Those are the other 15 players that come to mind. The point is USA does have good depth, and being top 16 is hardly a shabby thing. How many players that caliber are teaching others? I only know of gretorp and incontrol, so for players looking to improve, they are largely dependent on themselves. Any player that can help the masses below them should be a welcomed addition.
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On January 06 2010 03:30 machinehead.. wrote:
I hear you and that's probably something you should do. But in reality, if you give your rep pack out, they may as well just stop there and copy you. The premise is the pricing should be very affordable and if you are below b- caliber, then you should be able to gain something from it. If not, what have you lost? A few dollars? If you don't get better then just quit... It's not a big commitment...
So what you are saying is that if you allow people to watch your replays and copy them, they may as well stop there? Well if reps are that precious why doesnt someone just download progamer reps that are 50X better than yours + free?
Oh wait thats what I actually do.... oh shit wait a minute, I just realised I don't need your services.. How much can I pay you to fondle my cherries?
U know what would help a poker addiction? A credit card and a gun or a real job.
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On January 06 2010 06:12 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:
I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc...
On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one?
1.iDra & Artosis (cuz he is gosu)
2.NoNy
3.Love (if he still plays)
4.inControl
5.Nyoken
6.Yoshi
7.G5
8.Louder
9.KawiiRice
10.LzGamer
11.Chosen
12.Mercury
13.Scan
14.iNka
15.Evade
16.Tasteless? lol
I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =)
1.MachineHead 2.Game 3.HuntaH 4.TimeStop 5.Ambrosia 6.NigoL 7.CaiHonG 8.NerO 9.CrAzY-X17 10.RonBurgendy 11.HungTran 12.Scan 13.WannaBeCool 14.Sonic 15.Vanilla 16.EG.Machine USA's best players in order Your welcome
does the USA only have 16 players?
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I think your OP reflects your fear of this happening and it happened lol. Post your TSL rep pack and good luck.
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On January 06 2010 06:12 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:
I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc...
On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one?
1.iDra & Artosis (cuz he is gosu)
2.NoNy
3.Love (if he still plays)
4.inControl
5.Nyoken
6.Yoshi
7.G5
8.Louder
9.KawiiRice
10.LzGamer
11.Chosen
12.Mercury
13.Scan
14.iNka
15.Evade
16.Tasteless? lol
I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =)
1.MachineHead 2.Game 3.HuntaH 4.TimeStop 5.Ambrosia 6.NigoL 7.CaiHonG 8.NerO 9.CrAzY-X17 10.RonBurgendy 11.HungTran 12.Scan 13.WannaBeCool 14.Sonic 15.Vanilla 16.EG.Machine USA's best players in order Your welcome
someone should save this list for safekeeping in case this discussion comes up again I'd say this is canon
*edit* and if your interested in coaching you should check out my site http://www.xtremeonez.com
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To those that are interested in a replay pack, I will play some games this week and probably submit the pack at c+ or b-. Shamefully, I need to cut down on my bm in games -- when winning or losing. To those that view it as a win/win situation, I encourage you to give it a go. To those that find me evil, or horribly noob, or w/e, well you are entitled to your opinion and I can only hope that one day you will offer to teach me.
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Why are you guys picking on him??
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rofl trying to earn money from coaching outside people. Even korean progamers dont do that. GL. Get some korean mechanics first.
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On January 06 2010 06:39 Baddieko wrote:
rofl trying to earn money from coaching outside people. Even korean progamers dont do that. GL.
Korean pro gamers don't want their replays out there to begin with. And the title kinda suggest that they are already busy being progamers, practicing most of the day and preparing for their matches.
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If even Incontrol gets a great degree of arguments in his blog/thread (which i just found out about btw, thank you), machinehead should have anticipated all the negative posts and he should have come well prepared, meaning he should have organized a nice post so people can really see what's what.
Writing a complete post for 10-15 minutes = a lot of questions eliminated and, maybe, even some bm posts minus.
Writing some messages here in there where you explain you're not the best, but hey, that's not important = O_o
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On January 06 2010 06:15 machinehead.. wrote:
Guys, Incontrol is a well-known player and has more incentive to make it more professional -- as it could become a "big" business. This was a spur of the moment thing for me and I'm not sure if I even want to attract lots of people. With that said, I'm still eager to help some people who need/want it.
As far as top 16 USA, not that it matters and is hard to really pinpoint it due to all the inactivity at any given time, but it probably looks like this:
1) Idra
2) Nony
3) Day
4) Incontrol
5) G5
6) Lastgosu
7) Nyoken
8) Yosh
9) Chosen
10) Froz
11) LZ
12) Gretorp
13 Artosis
14) Machine (zerg player)
15) Semih
16)
When active, I have "officially" made it 2 times. Those are the other 15 players that come to mind. The point is USA does have good depth, and being top 16 is hardly a shabby thing. How many players that caliber are teaching others? I only know of gretorp and incontrol, so for players looking to improve, they are largely dependent on themselves. Any player that can help the masses below them should be a welcomed addition.
do these guys even still play ?
:D If so thats cool im pleasantly surprised especially about FroZ
and you went to wcg usa finals twice????? Really? I havent gone since 04 or 05 but I dont recognize your name at all.
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On January 06 2010 06:12 G5 wrote:1.MachineHead 2.Game 3.HuntaH 4.TimeStop 5.Ambrosia 6.NigoL 7.CaiHonG 8.NerO 9.CrAzY-X17 10.RonBurgendy 11.HungTran 12.Scan 13.WannaBeCool 14.Sonic 15.Vanilla 16.EG.Machine USA's best players in order Your welcome ahhahahahah lmao!
Best list ever.
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On January 06 2010 05:54 amoxicilline wrote:
I wonder why there is so much hate here. I've never seen any good player want to teach to some strangers for free, so some people might be interested in it.
Cause he's really terrible. I sure hope nobody actually gets suckered in by this.
Yeah, this guy really knows a lot doesn't he? The replay in this thread and that one do the opposite of promoting his offer.
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On January 06 2010 06:50 Ver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 05:54 amoxicilline wrote:
I wonder why there is so much hate here. I've never seen any good player want to teach to some strangers for free, so some people might be interested in it. Cause he's really terrible. I sure hope nobody actually gets suckered in by this. Yeah, this guy really knows a lot doesn't he? The replay in this thread and that one do the opposite of promoting his offer.
oh lol :p
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I love his list of top 16 usa, its like he was trying hard to throw in old school USA players so he can look legit. You forgot Whear and Wizard 
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On January 06 2010 06:15 machinehead.. wrote:
Guys, Incontrol is a well-known player and has more incentive to make it more professional -- as it could become a "big" business. This was a spur of the moment thing for me and I'm not sure if I even want to attract lots of people. With that said, I'm still eager to help some people who need/want it.
As far as top 16 USA, not that it matters and is hard to really pinpoint it due to all the inactivity at any given time, but it probably looks like this:
1) Idra
2) Nony
3) Day
4) Incontrol
5) G5
6) Lastgosu
7) Nyoken
8) Yosh
9) Chosen
10) Froz
11) LZ
12) Gretorp
13 Artosis
14) Machine (zerg player)
15) Semih
16)
When active, I have "officially" made it 2 times. Those are the other 15 players that come to mind. The point is USA does have good depth, and being top 16 is hardly a shabby thing. How many players that caliber are teaching others? I only know of gretorp and incontrol, so for players looking to improve, they are largely dependent on themselves. Any player that can help the masses below them should be a welcomed addition.
what a hell.. Starting this thread as a Top8/Top16 USA player when ur not even Top16 on your OWN list! Somebody send this to failblog.org asap!!
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man i feel so much rage in this thread. so many known people raging too.
im not sure why you guys feel the need to discredit the op. nobody was going to pay him for anything in the first place (i hope).
although some nice laughs were had ^_^
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You can't just copy paste my post you have to fill in the areas that have (()) around them with pertinent information.
Those were my areas where I was leaving it for you to fill in the gaps.
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Machinehead is my favourite Deep Purple album =)
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On January 06 2010 01:18 machinehead.. wrote:O sorry, I was tsl-playa. in the last tsl. I qualified for WCG USA top 16 two times, once under gh-playa and the other I used "endlesssorrows."
lol the pvt only guy who dt rushes. I got lucky vs you if i remember, i went somethin like 2 fac vultures... wtf was i thinkin :\
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On January 06 2010 07:29 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
You can't just copy paste my post you have to fill in the areas that have (()) around them with pertinent information.
Those were my areas where I was leaving it for you to fill in the gaps.
I will in the future. I glanced at it, it looked good, so I went with it. Will also have to include a special thanks to you in it.
I started playing SC in like 2005... the old school players in the list take part pretty much every WCG, and those are the best the US has to offer. Kawaii should probably be in that list, too. The bottom part of the list comes down to activity IMO. If one of us is more active than the other, then we probably replace each other on it. I'm in the midst of changing match ups, so I will have to wait and see where I would stand.
I would like to thank the people that can keep discussions civil and mature. Normally you would think that should be a given, but if you look around, you can be proud for that.
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I don't get why so many people is hating on this guy =/
If he really is a b+ player he can teach many things to a lot of people who want's to get better, hell even I just being C have helped 3 of my friends from D- to D+ =)
edit: ok just saw the games vs G5... man that was fucking terrible lol o,o!
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orly? I would buy you a beer for a lesson
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On January 06 2010 06:12 G5 wrote:1.MachineHead 2.Game 3.HuntaH 4.TimeStop 5.Ambrosia 6.NigoL 7.CaiHonG 8.NerO 9.CrAzY-X17 10.RonBurgendy 11.HungTran 12.Scan 13.WannaBeCool 14.Sonic 15.Vanilla 16.EG.Machine USA's best players in order Your welcome
uhhhhhh, you forgot SaddleS
cmon G5, you really want us to believe you know anything about the USA BW scene when you leave off SaddleS?
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On January 06 2010 08:11 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 06:12 G5 wrote:1.MachineHead 2.Game 3.HuntaH 4.TimeStop 5.Ambrosia 6.NigoL 7.CaiHonG 8.NerO 9.CrAzY-X17 10.RonBurgendy 11.HungTran 12.Scan 13.WannaBeCool 14.Sonic 15.Vanilla 16.EG.Machine USA's best players in order Your welcome uhhhhhh, you forgot SaddleS cmon G5, you really want us to believe you know anything about the USA BW scene when you leave off SaddleS?
also forgot spades, telecom[alive], etc
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On January 06 2010 01:18 machinehead.. wrote:O sorry, I was tsl-playa. in the last tsl. I qualified for WCG USA top 16 two times, once under gh-playa and the other I used "endlesssorrows."
EndlessSorrows is Kawaii's old spoof...
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On January 06 2010 09:11 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 01:18 machinehead.. wrote:On January 06 2010 01:16 CapO wrote:
who are you, again? O sorry, I was tsl-playa. in the last tsl. I qualified for WCG USA top 16 two times, once under gh-playa and the other I used "endlesssorrows." EndlessSorrows is Kawaii's old spoof...
loloolwut
selfowned?
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why are americans are so hostile?
skeptical if your not busy im inviting you over for a cup of tea in order for us to partake in the rapage in which team canada is going to hand out to the u.s tonight (world juniors)
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Might be stepping out of my place here, apologies admins.
On January 06 2010 07:48 machinehead.. wrote:
I would like to thank the people that can keep discussions civil and mature. Normally you would think that should be a given, but if you look around, you can be proud for that.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2009 05:46 MachineHead wrote:
Laurent needs to fucking do his god damn job. Until he makes the final brackets, nothing can even be proved by showing up at the fucking retarded default time. If I failed to do my job, I would prob do the same thing I guess then. Fuck, Laurent. On June 02 2009 05:57 MachineHead wrote:
Laurent, SHUT THE FUCK UP. I'm done with you. I don't want you to hold my hand, I want you to fuck off and relinquish your position as you have obviously failed to provide and adequately ran tourney. You are no help. If it wasn't for being required to deal with you, I would never say shit to you. Hopefully that can start soon.
I'm not putting up with stupid shit created every tourney, that is is created by your void. Though to be fair, if you were here to help, how much help would it actually be. So maybe that is why your are absent.
Last year I went to play my games in the round of 8, but someone didn't want to play me so they submitted the walkover anyways. No admins showed up that day or for the rest of the tourney, and there was no support option then. I'm fed up with this bull shit.
You can go fuck yourself. .
+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2010 05:19 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 05:17 Chill wrote:On January 06 2010 05:13 machinehead.. wrote:
Someone that has an axe to grind with me acting like a 5 year old. The fact that you can be a mod is what gives me confidence that I can do anything that I wanted. You are an inspiration to many. Perhaps I should have included that I played chill once and I beat him... Personally, I figured it would rival mentioning a C player, but I guess you are hot stuff. I can say, without any doubt whatsoever, that I can teach people this game much, much better than you. And this is to prove that. What's next, you want to send me a screen shot of your penis so we can have a biggest-dick contest? With the way you are acting you would probably want to come over here so you could experience it for yourself. I don't even play zerg... and not once have I offered to teach zerg. If you think you know T and P better than me, or could teach it better, you are about as foolish as you come off in your messages.
Hai gais, how2civilmature?
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I'd have more sympathy for you if you dropped the holier than thou act.
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omg, this guy is getting completely owned...
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I feel so bad for the guy..... yet it feels so right whats happening in this thread.
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On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:
I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc...
On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one?
1.iDra & Artosis (cuz he is gosu)
2.NoNy
3.Love (if he still plays)
4.inControl
5.Nyoken
6.Yoshi
7.G5
8.Louder
9.KawiiRice
10.LzGamer
11.Chosen
12.Mercury
13.Scan
14.iNka
15.Evade
16.Tasteless? lol
I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =)
DAY[9]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On January 06 2010 01:18 machinehead.. wrote:O sorry, I was tsl-playa. in the last tsl. I qualified for WCG USA top 16 two times, once under gh-playa and the other I used "endlesssorrows."
This is the part that bothers me. You do realize that WCG USA hasn't had 16 players at the Final since 2004 or 2005 right? In 09, 08, and 07 it was 10 people, and in 06 I think it was 12.
So since you STARTED in 2005, it's physically impossible for you to have made it to the "WCG USA top 16" unless you're just making up shit. Unless of course you're saying you qualified for a regional. But hey, I've done that too and I'm really bad...
I have nothing against you really, but I just thought that was really silly =P
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This is why I don't join teams, lots of SC players are stupid and/or douche bags. Qualifying for regionals is top 16. I made regionals a year after I started playing, but I didn't go because it would have been a long trip/money, and it was by far the toughest regional that year -- idra, lastgosu and some other good player). I made it again the year after, or the next year, I forget -- evade and nesh were there. This is why you list people that you have beaten... so idiots don't go "o, well our country sucks at sc." And if you list an ICCUP rank, people will call you last shadow, o this kid abused his rank, I don't know him. You guys are fucking ridiculous. If I were you I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
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those replays were amazing. G5, i like your strat with the M&M push into wraiths. I don't understand the idea behind the split tech of getting reavers and DTs. Why not just do DT/HT drops, whats the need for the reaver?
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On January 06 2010 11:04 Colpan wrote:
those replays were amazing. G5, i like your strat with the M&M push into wraiths. I don't understand the idea behind the split tech of getting reavers and DTs. Why not just do DT/HT drops, whats the need for the reaver?
I don't like ht's till late game. The idea is they see dts, and what counters dts? 2 fac vulture, but when you have a reaver at that time, you end up countering their counter. I'm always trying different stuff, and when I don't have it figured out yet, embarrassing losses do happen. Only natural.
It's not a build I use now, but it is effective unless you get 8 raxed.
Getting trolled by people I don't even know, how ridiculous is that. As much time as people spend trolling and being an idiot, I would imagine a lot of these posters are better at trolling than actually playing the game.
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On January 06 2010 10:23 Jlab wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:
I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc...
On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one?
1.iDra & Artosis (cuz he is gosu)
2.NoNy
3.Love (if he still plays)
4.inControl
5.Nyoken
6.Yoshi
7.G5
8.Louder
9.KawiiRice
10.LzGamer
11.Chosen
12.Mercury
13.Scan
14.iNka
15.Evade
16.Tasteless? lol
I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =)
DAY[9]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me, NeO)AsS, NeO)CrAzY, NeO)OraCle; You got most of them though; I'll give you that lol
Btw, Machine[LighT] didn't make that list LOL!@#!@#!@#lolLOL123ol@!$ So bad Mach. Ret and I still own you after all these years <3
http://rapidshare.com/files/330977475/ZvP_LzGamer_Louder.rep.html
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I'm not trolling you buddy, i really didn't see the idea behind splitting tech as such. It set you back quite a bit on econ and on your production which hurt the size of your recall which in turn led to a loss. I don't grind out games a ton but I do play every now and then. TvP is my worst matchup(i play T) so I like to watch replays of it and see how it plays out.
Being rude doesn't really help your case :|
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Yeah, well dealing with idiots doesn't make me all bubbly, so if someone has a problem with me being rude - simply don't be a tool. And I wasn't suggesting you were trolling me, I'm sorry for not clarifying that. Your question was a legit one. The problem with the bo is if you don't gather all the intel you need, you could end up making a reaver while they just went really fast expo, setting you behind. That and 8 rax are really the only problems. Anyways, it's not a bo I use now, I have addressed the eco and 8 rax situation.
In pvt the goals are always pretty much the same -- keep your eco at least on par with Terran early game, and have a way to safely tech to arbiters without providing them a timing window.
Gas before gateway builds are extremely effective if you don't get cheesed. You end up having options that the opponent won't even realize is a possibility, unless they scouted you early. But the goal is to be effective versus every strategy that can be thrown at you, so I wouldn't recommend it.
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On January 06 2010 06:12 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 04:55 Leath wrote:
I think MachineHead should reopen an organized thread in a blog with more specific info. A bit like what Chill did, involving his resume, price (even if it is negotiable, give an estimate, people feel reluctant taking shots), session length, available times, etc...
On another subject, what would be a top 16 USA list? Can someone help create one?
1.iDra & Artosis (cuz he is gosu)
2.NoNy
3.Love (if he still plays)
4.inControl
5.Nyoken
6.Yoshi
7.G5
8.Louder
9.KawiiRice
10.LzGamer
11.Chosen
12.Mercury
13.Scan
14.iNka
15.Evade
16.Tasteless? lol
I dont know nearly enough players to even make a list lol let alone judge how good they are in comparison with one another =)
1.MachineHead 2.Game 3.HuntaH 4.TimeStop 5.Ambrosia 6.NigoL 7.CaiHonG 8.NerO 9.CrAzY-X17 10.RonBurgendy 11.HungTran 12.Scan 13.WannaBeCool 14.Sonic 15.Vanilla 16.EG.Machine USA's best players in order Your welcome
Who are you again?
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Funny stuff. Getting beaten by foreigners off races isn't a good way to promote yourself imo..
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On January 06 2010 03:32 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:29 G5 wrote:On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you. "im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8" uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16. Who are you again? Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here. G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me. I haven't played you since years ago in a WCG qualifier. If it makes you feel good, you did beat me. Your PVT is one of the best in the USA. If you want a pat on the back just ask me.
sounds like dodge to me, is it? g5 v machinehead.. go go go stream plz
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Meh surprised there isn't paid coaching in SC honestly. In chess you pay at least $70/hr for lessons from a grandmaster. In poker, CTS was charging $1500 / hr AND you had to do something special for him, like get him tickets to whistler and a helicopter ride or something.
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On January 06 2010 11:38 Lz wrote:
lol this is a joke..
No jacob, it is gold....
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Braavos36375 Posts
This is a gigantic mess, and theres a lot of blame to go around (lol).
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