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is awesome32274 Posts
On January 06 2010 02:52 machinehead.. wrote:You can joke about it if you want, it's not something I'm desperate to do, but simply something I'm capable of doing that would also help me in poker... All foreign players are "bad" compared to Koreans; the point is if someone is better than you, then they can help you get better -- even if you are still "not good enough." If any are truly interested just PM me, and I could help you next week. I just want to have fun with it. If you know gretorp... when both active I think we are around the same skill level, so maybe you can use that as a gauge... A lot of top players just play incredibly standard and win games through better macro/micro. A lot of the lesser players don't have the macro and micro to get the results of others, even if they follow them step by step. I feel like I could help those players win more off strategy than mechanics. If people want to get better, that's their prerogative. If not, just the same, but I see no point in trolling. I deleted a lot of my replays a month ago, but this is uploaded on a site do to it being taken off wgt: one of my wins versus mondragon http://reps.ru/replays.php?replay=comment&id=6859# I'm not proclaiming to be a gosu... but unless you are B+/A- I could prob help you, and especially if you are a lot lower than that. I realize it's a standard replay, but my play style has changed greatly: a lot more friendly to the lesser skilled I think.
That replay is from may 07 apparently... and on Luna.
Do you have more recent replays? The game changed a lot since then.
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Awesome that you're doing this, it's about time that you did!
I've known playa for about 5 years, and I think he's one of the smartest players I know. He lacks execution, but through years of knowing him, i've taken at least 80% of his ideas and if ever I'm in a road block, he helps me out incredibly. I always look to him as being the go to person and I feel he is much stronger than me in terms of theory, strategies, and positioning. You guys really shouldn't be so bm about this because he is a very strong theoretical player.
He is probably the reason I've gotten the way I've gotten today.
And for the people who think that teaching cannot be done without accomplishments, that is completely false. Saying that you need accomplishments to be able to teach is implying that only accomplishments imply that you have the ability to play the game correctly. Because Starcraft has the added execution part, it adds in a variable which is not applicable to this logic. For example, take any D+ ranked player. They understand that you need to spread all marines and medics against lurkers to be effective and win the battle, but they can't necessarily do that. Does that mean they cannot teach or explain how to beat lurkers?
Anyway, I fully support this and strongly encourage any player who is looking to get better to try. I wouldn't be where I was today without Playa.
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So your the guy who strictly plays PvT loves unorthodox play, and still refuse to regame me after I do 1rax CC TvP?
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On January 06 2010 03:01 Oystein wrote:
So your the guy who strictly plays PvT loves unorthodox play, and still refuse to regame me after I do 1rax CC TvP?
You didn't pay him -.-
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My last game with gretorp (during tsl) http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=28216. Gretorp is really a good player and if you like aggressive style of play, you should deff try getting teaching from him. I prefer more eco based strategies.
By no means am I a great player, I just hope that I could help some people. I qualified for 2 WCG lans, I went to 1 -- I forfeited a tiebreak game against nesh that decided who would go to finals. Driving 7 hours then playing evade 2 games, both an hour each can effect your decision making.
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just some tips; if u want to convince ppl to pay u for teaching u first have to impress them with ur skills instead of a price. and saying that u can play on b- level and have beaten some top foreigner once isnt going to cut it. u might want to add a replay pack or some sort, i feel like thats a more concrete way to see how good u r
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I like how nearly everyone in this thread is a jerk to this guy, then the mods even spam it.
Give the guy a chance, if you don't want to buy, don't buy.
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Gretorp! I've missed you. I'm in love with your tvp (haven't seen your other mu's lately), and you definitely didn't get that style from me  I still think hallucination is the counter to ghosts, but... you did lock down my arbiter inspite of it, so obviously you are the man.
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Canada380 Posts
On January 06 2010 03:25 machinehead.. wrote:
Gretorp! I've missed you.
hes too busy dodging the students that were willing to pay him ^^
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Morrow is right people aren't going to pay (shouldn't pay) for lessons with someone who has provided a small amount of replays. Why not provide your TSL pack or at least part of it (more than just a couple games) so people can see what they're paying for.
If you're talking about true coaching and not just replay analysis then providing more replays isnt going to interfere with your possible coaching and will increase your chances of actually getting people to buy into this.
edits: spelling
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On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you.
"im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8"
uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16.
Who are you again?
Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here.
On January 06 2010 02:55 Empyrean wrote:
Wait, you're not machine, are you?
no he isn't
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On January 06 2010 03:22 MorroW[MB] wrote:
just some tips; if u want to convince ppl to pay u for teaching u first have to impress them with ur skills instead of a price. and saying that u can play on b- level and have beaten some top foreigner once isnt going to cut it. u might want to add a replay pack or some sort, i feel like thats a more concrete way to see how good u r
I hear you and that's probably something you should do. But in reality, if you give your rep pack out, they may as well just stop there and copy you. The premise is the pricing should be very affordable and if you are below b- caliber, then you should be able to gain something from it. If not, what have you lost? A few dollars? If you don't get better then just quit... It's not a big commitment...
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United States42688 Posts
Well I think using tl to advertise your shit is pretty cheap. If you want to try and make money out of tls users then there's a banner at the top you can rent. Advertise properly and pay for it. But you're not a tl veteran and you're using forum space to try and make money out of tl members. And that's kinda frowned upon. At least inc as the decency to only use his own blog to do it and he was tl staff for ages.
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On January 06 2010 03:29 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you. "im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8" uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16. Who are you again? Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here.
G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me. I haven't played you since years ago in a WCG qualifier. If it makes you feel good, you did beat me. Your PVT is one of the best in the USA. If you want a pat on the back just ask me.
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On January 06 2010 03:30 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:22 MorroW[MB] wrote:
just some tips; if u want to convince ppl to pay u for teaching u first have to impress them with ur skills instead of a price. and saying that u can play on b- level and have beaten some top foreigner once isnt going to cut it. u might want to add a replay pack or some sort, i feel like thats a more concrete way to see how good u r I hear you and that's probably something you should do. But in reality, if you give your rep pack out, they may as well just stop there and copy you. The premise is the pricing should be very affordable and if you are below b- caliber, then you should be able to gain something from it. If not, what have you lost? A few dollars? If you don't get better then just quit... It's not a big commitment...
I completely disagree, if you are offering coaching then just copying replays will not be helpful. You need to be able to offer strategic advice and actual useful tips on why you did what you did in those replays. People who copy replays and replay build orders are often left not understanding why the player built what they built or why they changed their build as they did. To be able to gain something from those replays truly they'd need to be talking to the person who played them so they can explain why they did what they did. And that is one thing you can offer.
Offering your rep pack isnt going to just kill any chance you have of profit, and if you truly believe that you should give up now because that shows you have an incorrect view on what coaching players in SC means.
edit: PS just because you qualified into a tournament that is the top 16 doesn't mean you are a top 16 player. In order to be ranked in the top 16 this is something that needs to be repeated and have many wins vs those players in the top 16
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Calgary25980 Posts
On January 06 2010 03:32 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:29 G5 wrote:On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you. "im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8" uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16. Who are you again? Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here. G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me. I haven't played you since years ago in a WCG qualifier. If it makes you feel good, you did beat me. Your PVT is one of the best in the USA. If you want a pat on the back just ask me.
The top X players in any tournament in anything are not necessarily the top X players at that time.
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On January 06 2010 03:32 machinehead.. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:29 G5 wrote:On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you. "im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8" uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16. Who are you again? Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here. G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me. I haven't played you since years ago in a WCG qualifier. If it makes you feel good, you did beat me. Your PVT is one of the best in the USA. If you want a pat on the back just ask me.
WCG USA Finals, Top 2-3 in qualifiers for wcg numerous times, wcg regionals (back in the day), usa tournaments like patriotic eagles tournament, war of the states (when top usa players actually play it), bwusa tournaments (when they were aorund), repeated good performances at large lans around the united states such as NH lan's in 07 w/ idra, nony, artosis, machine, me etc... all attending and repeated good performances vs top usa players would all canidate you for top 16 usa. Since I don't know who you are, I am assuming you haven't done n e of these things.
Listing a few good players you have taken a game off doesn't qualify you for anything. I have beaten players in the caliber of Bisu / Boxer but I am no where near them. 1 game means shit. But I am giving you an opportunity. If you would like to know realistically where you are in top usa, I will gladly bo5 or bo7 your right now. Hell, I will even play all races to see your other mu's and tell you where you are compared to the top players in usa because I know first hand experience through thousands of games where everyone worth mentioning is generally at in the usa scene. Then maybe you will have something to actually back up claims about how good you are and then maybe your dream will come true and you will make some small amount of $ teaching sc to newbs.
P.S. I will take that pat on the back ty very much ^.^
On January 06 2010 03:35 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 03:32 machinehead.. wrote:On January 06 2010 03:29 G5 wrote:On January 06 2010 02:20 machinehead.. wrote:
Unless you are like incontrol that has won WCG USA, half the time being known simply means you seek more attention. I haven't been in a SC team in years, and just recently have I posted on a forum. Inactive or not, I'm always around top 16 usa, if not top 8, so if you think someone of that skill could help you, then go for it. If not, don't. I don't know what else to tell you. "im always around top 16 usa, if not top 8" uhhhhhh... have I ever met you before? Cuss if I haven't, your not top 8 or top 16. Who are you again? Oh and if you would like to play me 1v1 a few games so I can show you realistically where you are in usa, please let me know. If you do good I will gladly recommend you here. G5, how do you qualify for something that is top 16 WCG USA without being top 16 in the USA? I know you are a smart guy, so hopefully you explain it to me. I haven't played you since years ago in a WCG qualifier. If it makes you feel good, you did beat me. Your PVT is one of the best in the USA. If you want a pat on the back just ask me. The top X players in any tournament in anything are not necessarily the top X players at that time.
this = truth
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Canada9720 Posts
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WCG is the one event foreigners care about. People that are not active come out of retirement just for it. I can't think of 1 player that was good in USA that didn't play in it when I qualified -- maybe chosen, if he played then. You are trying to split hairs when it's irrelevant to begin with. Seems childish.
I'm not desperate for the money, not asking for anything extravagant. And it certainly won't be the end of the world for me if none are interested. If some are interested in help, then I'm interested. If not, no biggie to me.
To the players that are super gosu, way more gosu than me, perhaps you should offer to help others out then. If your rate is good enough, I might even be interested.
When someone is offering a service for monetary means, it kinda seems like everything else in society... No need to demean it or treat it as begging. You are always free to do the same, I was simply putting out a flier after seeing the demand and the lack of people helping atm.
Just PM if you are untested and I'm sure I will be extremely flexible on pricing... Again, I'm not claiming to be godly at SC, simply good enough to help some people. Surely there are some players out there that are worse than me atm. Then again, maybe not...
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Canada9720 Posts
'seems childish'. says the guy who is terrible at this game and is trying to scam D- newbs out of pocket change rofl!!!!!!!
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