EPTIPL4 Pacific / PPSL Drama - Page 5
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Modeath
United States68 Posts
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
We can see the original brackets in this PlayXP Article, here: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/global/view.php?article_id=3560704 But now it looks like this: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IGN_ProLeague_Season_4/Pacific_Qualifiers | ||
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Modeath
United States68 Posts
top 1a 2b 3a 4b bot 1b 2a 3b 4a to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are. | ||
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Zraf
54 Posts
On November 08 2011 14:17 Modeath wrote: Will this conman face legal ramifications? can he be charged and jailed for fraud? I wanna see his ass get like 40 lashes or w/e his country does to common scum. Team azk should also be permanently banned from all events worldwide and all players should be given a chance to publically apoligize and leave AZK or else be banned too. A conman in the Philippines with a little bit of cash usually just gets away with stuff like this. I think its up to the community to sanction them, as any legal action wouldn't be processed in time in this country before Starcraft 20 is released. | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
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xSixGeneralHan
United States528 Posts
Lesson hopefully learned by all parties, and you work with those you can have trust in and who prove themselves to you. I wish all the best for any hurt by this event: hopefully AZK will go into wind and never be heard from again. IGN hopefully learned a lesson of taking baby steps that other organizations over the esports years did not heed. IPL did so well by slowly introducing regions, and then methodically implementing a single live event - I hope to see it continue! /Mike | ||
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Loire
Singapore1358 Posts
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
On November 08 2011 14:23 Modeath wrote: pretty sure it was to make bracket like this example. a=#1 b=#2 in pool to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are. I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. But then I refreshed and the brackets had been changed. EDIT: I'm told by someone at the event that the brackets were re-generated for some reason by pulling names out of a hat. Mystery solved! + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] + ![[image loading]](http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/brackets1.png) + Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] + ![[image loading]](http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/brackets2.png) | ||
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Roffu
United States143 Posts
On November 08 2011 10:07 deth wrote: Great blog man, was waiting for the full story to get out after them screwing over YYJ. Absolutely disgraceful production and leadership has been shown all the way through by AZK, and now the event itself is literally the worst large-scale event in post-release SC2's history. Some people shouldn't have so much money. What's even more sad is that the money was IPL's.. | ||
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Modeath
United States68 Posts
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On November 08 2011 14:39 Dox wrote: I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. I interrogated the bracket, and here's what it looks like: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. However after refreshing the brackets just now, it appears that they've been adjusted. I tried to think of why the brackets might be adjusted, since the original format made perfect sense. And then it occurred to me. They redistributed the AZK guys throughout the bracket to improve their chances of making it to the finals. See the two images below for comparison. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] + + Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] + That's just disgusting. I know this sort of scamming and corruption is pretty normal in Philippine affairs especially politics but dammit, I don't want it to spread to my beloved e-sports.  | ||
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_Depression
United States251 Posts
On November 08 2011 14:39 Dox wrote: I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. I interrogated the bracket, and here's what it looks like: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. However after refreshing the brackets just now, it appears that they've been adjusted. I tried to think of why the brackets might be adjusted, since the original format made perfect sense. And then it occurred to me. They redistributed the AZK guys throughout the bracket to improve their chances of making it to the finals. See the two images below for comparison. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] + + Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] + Actually, I feel like it did the opposite. In the old brackets, AZK was guaranteed a player in Ro8 and possibly a second AZK v. AZK match in that round to guarantee a top 4 finish for one of their players. They also had (in my opinion) a weaker bracket originally than now. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 08 2011 14:39 Dox wrote: I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. I interrogated the bracket, and here's what it looks like: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. However after refreshing the brackets just now, it appears that they've been adjusted. I tried to think of why the brackets might be adjusted, since the original format made perfect sense. And then it occurred to me. They redistributed the AZK guys throughout the bracket to improve their chances of making it to the finals. See the two images below for comparison. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] + + Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] + Woah Wtf you just opened up a can of worms!!! Who's this Gus Guy.... i will have to read more of your blog seems like he really tricked you and is a scammer! AZK possibly ?Match Fixing....?. Maybe this is also why IPL decided to drop them relations with them | ||
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billiebrightside
United States150 Posts
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
On November 08 2011 14:54 _Depression wrote: Actually, I feel like it did the opposite. In the old brackets, AZK was guaranteed a player in Ro8 and possibly a second AZK v. AZK match in that round to guarantee a top 4 finish for one of their players. They also had (in my opinion) a weaker bracket originally than now. Yeah I dunno. As I said in the other thread, I could very well be wrong. They spread some of their players out, but it doesn't seem like they really have an easier time. But either way, tampering with the brackets after they've been published requires some sort of explanation. | ||
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heartlxp
United States1258 Posts
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_Depression
United States251 Posts
On November 08 2011 14:59 Dox wrote: Yeah I dunno. As I said in the other thread, I could very well be wrong. They spread some of their players out, but it doesn't seem like they really have an easier time. But either way, tampering with the brackets after they've been published requires some sort of explanation. It could be anything from an honest mix-up with bracket placements (after what happened in IEM NY it's definitely possible) to AZK trying their hardest to make the rest of the tournament seem as legit as possible. Edit: As hard as it is to believe anything about this tournament other than the actual play is legit at this point, we can't just immediately dismiss any mistakes (especially ones like this that are _fixed_) as being part of the terrible actions AZK has taken so far. At some point in the future we may get a full accounting of what happened (both the legitimate and illegitimate), but for now let's just see how it all plays out. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
Kinda of Conflict of Interests right? From what i've read so far Gus seems like a Shady Scam-Artist/Con-Artist Stealing money from Tournaments and Maybe he possibly stole the Money from the PPSL/IPL4 Australia South-East Asia Qualifier Tournament Thing? I can confirm that he fights dirty. I have seen him watching matchups between his clanmate and some other guy and he would tell his clanmate what the other guy is doing just so Gus can win. He cheats. It's a fact and I'm sorry that a lot of people got dragged into this. Gus is just way over in his head and more concerned about putting himself out there rather than promoting e-sports. It's all about him and it blew in his face. and not only that Possible Match Fixing? Maybe not just Match Fixing maybe they are cheating like in this quote from that anonymous person sent you maybe they are relaying messages to players while they are playing to give them an advantage. Gus is also trying to Steal Players by Giving MoonGlade a Spot on The Plane when When the one Player couldn't go because of University. Ok i see what happened now he tried to Steal MoonGlade to his Team and give him a Spot to go instead of YJY Who had rightfully earned the Spot.. Gus= Ruining E-Sports Con-Artist is what i learned from your blog Thank-you... Do you think they are cheating during the Live Tournament too i wouldn't doubt it look how shady their dealings with you are and they are thieves from what i have Read. | ||
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_Depression
United States251 Posts
On November 08 2011 15:12 XRaDiiX wrote: Ok i just read the Whole Blog; Dox i feel really bad for you that you had to Put up with this. So are AZK (Guys) Etc The guys that IGN/IPL Contracted to run this Tournament? Kinda of Conflict of Interests right? From what i've read so far Gus seems like a Shady Scam-Artist/Con-Artist Stealing money from Tournaments and Maybe he possibly stole the Money from the PPSL/IPL4 Australia South-East Asia Qualifier Tournament Thing? and not only that Possible Match Fixing? Maybe not just Match Fixing maybe they are cheating like in this quote from that anonymous person sent you maybe they are relaying messages to players while they are playing to give them an advantage. Gus is also trying to Steal Players by Giving MoonGlade a Spot on The Plane when When the one Player couldn't go because of University. Ok i see what happened now he tried to Steal MoonGlade to his Team and give him a Spot to go instead of YJY Who had rightfully earned the Spot.. Gus tried to get Moonglade on AZK by bribing him with a spot in the IPL4 Qualifiers, as well as a free flight on the condition that he join AZK for 3 months. He used the excuse that "we only had to provide transportation for the 1st and 2nd place players" so they didn't need to bring YJY, which is yet another piece of underhanded brilliance by the scumbag Gus. | ||
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Lugia101
United States24 Posts
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