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In light of this apology post by IGN, I just wanted to provide a little bit of background info.
I was contacted by Gus (AZK.WitchDoc) Ledesma in August, bluntly asking, "Who is the best player in Australia? mOOnGLaDe? I wanna fly him over to the PPSL in Manila."
At this stage, the information on the event was very scarce. If you can find all of the vague aliases the AZK guys use to post on Team Liquid, you'll find a lot of poorly written and scarcely publicised posts by them, advertising the venue and throwing around claims that Tastosis would be casting and WhiteRa/MC/JulyZerg/MarineKing, etc would be in attendance. The date of the event was also changing every few days.
I made several attempts to resume discussions with Gus, however each time I tried to iron out specific details, he would either stop responding, or start name dropping to try and impress me. Just as I grew tired of trying to do business with Gus, a new AZK face got in touch with me.
+ Show Spoiler [Skype Conversation] +[9/1/2011 3:08:02 PM]Derek Reball: This is what I just discussed with Cocoy:
* I'll publish & host a qualifying event via SC2SEA to establish the eligible Australian participants (1-2 players)
* Most likely an open event limited to 64 Australian participants.
* Group stages of 8 will be played out to determine the top 16 players.
* The top 16 players will compete in a double elimination bracket to determine the winner(s).
* These player(s) will receive paid flights (and accommodation?) to the PPSL event in Manila.
* Flight costs average between $400 & $600 per person, with the cheapest options listed below:
Depart Sydney:
Fri, Nov 4, 2011
$443
Depart Manila:
Wed, Nov 9, 2011
$356
TOTAL: $799 per person
[9/1/2011 3:08:21 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): saw it
[9/1/2011 3:09:33 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): oh and btw
[9/1/2011 3:10:18 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): ST_july, ST_bomber, MarineKingPrime, CheckPrime, and fenix
[9/1/2011 3:11:37 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): will compete PPSL qualifiers
After a long Skype call with Mariano (AZK.Smoke) Villafuerte, we came to an agreement that instead of me just arbitrarily selecting the Australian candidate, I would run an extensive qualifier over the course of several weeks - to help them promote the event, their team and their sponsors, whilst fairly and accurately determining who should fly to the PPSL. During this conversation, Mariano (under Gus advisement) suggested that we should send two players instead, since I was going to all this effort.
+ Show Spoiler [Team House Bragging] +[9/1/2011 3:10:09 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): im in the AZK team house with AZKsmoke (coy)
On the 24th of August, I drafted a two-page contract and sent it back to Mariano, whereby I agreed to host an Australian qualifier using the projected schedule below. As you can see, this was just the PPSL - there was no mention of this being an IGN event at this stage.
+ Show Spoiler [Show Projected Schedule] +
Unfortunately, despite me hounding them (literally) daily, they were unresponsive/hesitant to sign and return the contract. After over a month with no announcements whatsoever, they finally got back to me on September 28th. They said that the event was now branded as the "IPL4 Pacific Qualifier" and that I needed to update the contract before they signed it. The next day, I re-wrote the contract and highlighted the amended schedule (since the previous dates had been and gone), leaving me with less than a week to promote, advertise and commence the event.
You might recall in IGN.Alex's post that he had no idea there would be other commentators in Manila besides Tastosis. Gus told me he was flying CheekyDuck over to Manila on September 01... but somehow failed to let IGN know.
+ Show Spoiler [CheekyDuck conversation] +[9/1/2011 6:08:01 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): im looking for a caster
[9/1/2011 6:08:25 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): to cast with jesi cheekyduck
[9/1/2011 6:08:33 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): maybe you can trow someone my way
On September 30th, Mariano returned the contract to me - signed - agreeing that they would cover the flight & accommodation costs of two (2) Australian players whom would be selected via my qualifying event. There is no mention of IGN paying for these costs. There is no mention of IGN anywhere in the contract. It specifically states that a relationship exists between me (Consultant) and Team AZK (Client).
+ Show Spoiler [Name Dropping] +[9/1/2011 6:10:25 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): if we get more than enough funding, i wil fly u over to manila
[9/1/2011 6:10:43 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): as tastosis is casting the PPSL Main Event Nov 7-8
So I went ahead and announced the qualifiers - a series of groups to determine the top 16, who would advance to a double elimination bracket. The top 2 finalists in this bracket would receive the paid flights and accommodation from Team AZK to the PPSL / IPL4 Pacific Qualifiers in Manila.
+ Show Spoiler [More Name Dropping] +[9/1/2011 6:13:46 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): i'll hook you up with some of my contatcs as well in the NA and EU communities
[9/1/2011 6:13:53 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): big companies that can sponsor
[9/1/2011 6:13:56 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): like IGN
I scheduled, promoted, streamed and commentated the entire event over the course of a month (thanks to WCG Australia and Blizzcon falling right in the middle of the event) - and not once did any Team AZK representative get in touch with me about contacting the finalists after it was all done and dusted. In fact, all they asked for was replays. Every day Gus was hounding me for replays to be passed on to the IGN guys so that they could cast the games on their stream. I guess, the reason I'm bringing this up is because it appeared to me that his focus was on obtaining more promotional material for himself and his event, rather than flying the finalists over to Manila.
+ Show Spoiler [Even More Name Dropping] +[10/10/2011 11:45:39 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): thanks
[10/10/2011 11:45:46 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): the FXO lads here
[10/10/2011 11:45:50 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): awesome players
Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now.
Fast forward to the IPL4 Australia Grand Final.
Within 5 minutes of the qualifiers completing, I passed on the contact info of Rossi (#1) and TargA (#2) to Gus, but there was no reply. I went away for a 2-day Halloween party, and while I was out of town, I received numerous text messages from people like YoonYJ and mOOnGLaDe, with the following information:
- TargA declined his invitation to the Pacific Qualifiers due to university exams.
- YoonYJ is next in line for the seat.
- Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus offered mOOnGLaDe a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation, on the condition that he is required to join Team AZK. (GLaDe declined)
- If your mind hasn't started connecting the dots yet, just consider their alleged acquisition of viOlet and now NEXSickness. Also ex-WeMadeFOX players Moon and Soccer being tagged as AZK players. Yeah.
So after I return from my Halloween party, Gus and I had this conversation:
+ Show Spoiler [We're only sending Rossi] +[10/30/2011 10:46:27 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): Hi
[10/30/2011 10:46:32 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): we agreed on Top 1 and 2
[10/30/2011 10:46:34 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): to be sent
[10/30/2011 10:46:35 PM] Derek Reball: Yeah?
[10/30/2011 10:46:37 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): to represent AU
[10/30/2011 10:46:49 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): but since Targa declined (read his email) yesterday
[10/30/2011 10:46:55 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): looks like it will only be rossi coming
[10/30/2011 10:47:01 PM] Derek Reball: What? Why?
[10/30/2011 10:47:04 PM] Derek Reball: Just send Yoon instead
[10/30/2011 10:47:05 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): top 1 and 2
[10/30/2011 10:47:12 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): og
[10/30/2011 10:47:13 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): oh
[10/30/2011 10:47:18 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): YoonYJ ?
[10/30/2011 10:47:19 PM] Derek Reball: Yes
[10/30/2011 10:47:21 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): hmmnn
[10/30/2011 10:47:25 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): let me discuss with my teram
[10/30/2011 10:47:27 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): team
[10/30/2011 10:47:29 PM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): i'll get back to you
[10/30/2011 10:47:30 PM] Derek Reball: He's the next eligible person to go
He never replied after that.
On Wednesday (6 days ago) I got in touch with Gus again.
+ Show Spoiler [YoonYJ is going] +[11/2/2011 10:05:32 AM] Derek Reball: heya [11/2/2011 10:05:36 AM] Derek Reball: what's the latest? [11/2/2011 10:06:00 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): i already spoke to YoonYJ [11/2/2011 10:06:12 AM] Derek Reball: yeah? [11/2/2011 10:06:45 AM] Derek Reball: And?  [11/2/2011 10:08:01 AM] gusledesma (AZKwitchdoc): he is going
So I guess if you're looking for the cliff notes here, this is the gist of it:
- Gus Ledesma cannot be trusted to agree to a signed contract, and is perfectly comfortable with screwing people over to promote his own "team".
- The Team AZK representing responsible for running this event appear to be extremely inexperienced, shady and unprofessional.
- This has nothing to do with IGN. Please don't point your pitchforks at them. They've been delightful and pleasant throughout this entire trainwreck.
- If you're wondering why there are so many AZK players in the Pacific Qualifier, it's because Team AZK hosted a series of "qualifying" events which weren't publicised outside of their own forums.
- I don't think anyone actually knows what the prize money is. Some AZK guys were arguing with me yesterday in SC2SEA chat, saying that the prize money is $7,000-$9,000 USD. But at that very same moment, Allyn was quizzing the crowd live on stream, announcing that the prize is $2,000 USD. So I dunno.
- YoonYJ wasn't the only person screwed over by Gus.
- Gus appears to have also stolen money from S2 Games for a HoN tournament that never happened.
- It's actually tragic that the "production quality" of my one-man-show was better than that of the Pacific Qualifiers.
- AZK Management were nowhere to be found when things weren't running. TorcH stepped in to save the day. (Have I mentioned how much I love that guy? I wish he'd respond to all the creepy love messages I send him.)
- Gus taunted YoonYJ in SC2SEA chat, saying "Good luck with that" when Yoon said he was going public. (See Chat Log)
- If you'd like to get in touch with AZK, you can do so via their Team Facebook Page or Gus Ledesma's Fan Page.
- According to Gus' facebook page he will be the "Organizer of another Major event come Q2 2012"
I really feel that AZK has pushed the SEA region back so far in terms of global exposure. We had a very unique opportunity here to partner with IGN and showcase what we had to offer. But now, this just makes us look like an enormous joke.
When I first entered this "partnership" with AZK, dozens of people sent me messages and warnings that they were an unprofessional and shady group of people, but I stuck to it in a naive, hopeful attempt to build a relationship towards a better future for SEA eSports.
Unfortunately it was not to be.
EDIT: Clarified the part about Gus trying to convince GLaDe to attend.
EDIT2: Also received this PM from someone who would rather remain anonymous.
+ Show Spoiler [Gus] +I met Gus during an AZK inhouse tournament.
I am sorry that you had the misfortune of doing business with him.
I can confirm that he fights dirty. I have seen him watching matchups between his clanmate and some other guy and he would tell his clanmate what the other guy is doing just so Gus can win. He cheats. It's a fact and I'm sorry that a lot of people got dragged into this.
Gus is just way over in his head and more concerned about putting himself out there rather than promoting e-sports. It's all about him and it blew in his face.
I'm just sorry we didn't warn enough people. I didn't think his arrogance could have led to such disaster.
EDIT3: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. But then I refreshed and the brackets had been changed.
+ Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] +
+ Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] +
EDIT4: I'm told by someone at the event that the brackets were re-generated for some reason by pulling names out of a hat. Mystery solved!
EDIT5: Gus "WitchDoc" Ledesma has addressed the community:
First and foremost, the PPSL would like to formally apologise to everyone (IGN, our sponsors, the players, organisers, special guests and the viewers) who were involved with the IPL4 Pacific Qualifiers. The PPSL takes full responsibility for the way everything has unfolded, and would like to make it clear that it was no one else's fault but ours.
Read more here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283925
EDIT6: TorcH and TheGunRun spoke on !@#$ Slasher this morning - detailing more and more of the event downfalls - a transcript can be seen in the OP of this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283641
EDIT7: David Ting from IGN spoke about the event, thanks to pdd for the summary. See here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12213691
EDIT8: TheGunRun has posted, mentioning that Gus owes the hotel $12,000 and is nowhere to be found.
Amanda post paid for the tickets with the agency, if Gus doens't pay her the agency can run after her and put her in jail.
Clive's hotel debt is 37,000 Pesos ($900~) & Amanda's agency debt is 516,000 Pesos. ($12,000~)
Gus is not appearing nor answering.
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283641¤tpage=26#512
EDIT9: OopsOopsBaby has documented a complete list of outstanding issues & testimonials here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12214380
EDIT10: I'm a bit late on the uptake here, but be sure to read this post by John - the lead Stream Engineer for the PPSL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12212297
EDIT11: This statement just appeared on Reddit, from IGN head David Ting:
IPL still owes Gus and Team AZK 50% of our sponsorship dollars. I will not release the funds until the ills have been cured or repurpose our funds to pay for part of the damage that has been caused. It is unbelievable what has just occurred here.
EDIT12: Okay just an update, this is really quite serious. I know it was announced several hours ago that Gus was on his way to the hotel to sort things out, but the travel expenses are still outstanding.
This is a message from Amanda who is possibly facing jail if this is not resolved imminently:
I issued a total of php 715,000 worth of tickets. 200,000 has been paid, so the outstanding debt is close to php 516,000. Told gunrun already and like im really hoping people in the community can help as being jailed is a possibility for me. I am connected to a travel agency that is why.
This needs to be RESOLVED before someone goes to jail.
 
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I trusted in you AZK, now you're just poo.
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Great blog man, was waiting for the full story to get out after them screwing over YYJ. Absolutely disgraceful production and leadership has been shown all the way through by AZK, and now the event itself is literally the worst large-scale event in post-release SC2's history.
Some people shouldn't have so much money.
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What a sad story ;;
The more I read about this fiasco, the sketchier these AZK types seem. Hope they won't break whatever promises they made to lure the Korean players onto their team.
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amazing blog from the guy thats keeping esports in Australia going! Thanks for revealing exactly how dodgy AZKWitchdoctor 'Gus Ledesma' is and how full of crud the AZK name is
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good post with lots of detailed information that offer alot of clarity
thanks
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After the entire viOlet fiasco, I'm not surprised. Thanks for airing the dirty laundry.
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On November 08 2011 09:59 Dox wrote:
Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus speaks directly to mOOnGLaDe - attempting to bribe him with a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation. If mOOnGLaDe accepts, he is required to represent Team AZK at the event, and join the team for 3 months. (GLaDe declined)
He tried to pull the same shit on my players. Zzzzzz
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Jeeeeeeez Dox, this sounds crazy. I'd really like a statement from Gus or team AZK in general I suppose - just for transparency and more information. But from Alex's post and your take it sounds like they got their spotlight and decided to milk it for as much as they could, which was to try and get the AZK name out there. Hope to get in contact with you soon to discuss more!
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D= This is depressing.. I wonder if Gus is loving all the terrible representation his team is getting now.
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Nicely done Dox  good to see more information coming to light about this
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Thanks for the blog Dox.
It's so disheartening to see an "organisation" like AZK act so unprofessionally. Hopefully we can all be better prepared to stay away from such shady people in the future.
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Shocked and appalled. It's shit like this that makes major sponsors and investors giggle at eSports. AZK (for some reason) seemed to be getting a lot of popularity and attention, it's members have trolled our SEA scene more than once but this is something else. A new low.
The SEA community is a tight knit group, but we're used to being laughed at by the majority of the northern hemisphere for being "small potatoes" and stereotyped for having terrible players etc which is complete nonsense. As Dox mentioned this great chance for positive exposure is completely compromised by this broken contract, and I hope the rest of the world realise that AZK do NOT represent us.
I hope witchdoc and AZK get what they deserve (fuck all) and fade into obscurity so that we can move on from this mess.
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I knew something was wrong with these qualifiers and the pickups that AZK had acquired. Great blog post, absolutely disgusted with the situation, especially for YYJ.
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They'll get whats coming to them, all this bad press is bound to do wonders for their image.
I just hope it doesn't hurt the rest of the SEA scene too much. 
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Conclusion: Me not supporting or cheering for AZK ever.
Sorry this was such a fiasco I was really interested when I saw IPL branching into SEA. Perhaps you should work with them directly? You seem to have the passion to make it grow and work.
Luck in the future!
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So much bragging in these conversations it's unbearable. So much hype and nothing to show for it. So damn unorganized it shouldn't even have an IPL branding with it.
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This is a much needed side of the story, thank you for sharing so openly.
I feel like you entered this with good intentions and a fair amount of optimism and I'm glad you put in the effort to cover yourself legally. You went above and beyond the call in your dealings and put on a great sub-qualifier. I hope no one forgets that and everything else.
Hope you keep doing what you're doing and don't get too jaded mate.
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this is a much needed information. thanks!
what's even more sad is that i am a part of the local SCPH community and i had barely any idea this was happening.
Gus. you need to make a post to all of this man.. -_-
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After watching Breaking Bad I have learnt not to trust anyone named Gus.
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I'd say AZK have successfully obliterated their reputation with this event.
Hopefully an Australian team takes up the reigns and organises an IPL event in Sydney or Melbourne.
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Pitchforks calibrated and online.
[X]Hurting Esports
[ ]Slept with someones gf
[ ]Cruelty to animals
The internets are aligned and ready to fire with our views and sink any advertising revenue until AZK is blacklisted.
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As more money, sponsors and fame comes into the game; so will select individuals that want to exploit, manipulate and scam their way to glory.
While this is one side of the story, it seems somewhat believable when considered with AZKs track record.
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Should totally post on reddit
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While wathcing the event (having no background knowledge of the event prior) I thought that perhaps this was just a small step they had to overcome (as other tournaments like NASL had such hiccups) but after reading all the follow-up, I'm sure I, as well as many, have lost A LOT of respect for AZK as well as other teams that might be branded or associated with them.
Though the testimonials about AZK have been one sided, it doesn't seem that this Gus character is coming out with any public discretion.
I feel sorry for you and all the shit you had to deal with when negotiating and planning this clusterfuck event where the production value really did seem pathetic. I mean why would they use someone like CheekyDuck to cast? Did they even find any decent qualifications for it (no offence to them but when you contrast them with Tastosis there's no excuse to have such 2nd rate casting).
Thanks for enlightening and I hope the SEA community does recover quickly from this as there are some great players in that area, but apparently work ethics aren't as apparent.
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I thought I was being paranoid about AZK being shady, guess not.
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No wonder they played those "showmatches" with AZK players to "test" their hardware.
I wonder what AZK have to say about this now.
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On November 08 2011 10:36 PlasticMilk wrote:
Thanks for enlightening and I hope the SEA community does recover quickly from this as there are some great players in that area, but apparently work ethics aren't as apparent.
Thanks, I'm sure we'll get there eventually. In the meantime, we have this to look forward to.
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I kind of feel bad for all the Korean players picked up by AZK now, not gonna lie.
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Best decision Glade ever made, Witchdoc seems to be all ambition and no integrity.
On November 08 2011 10:44 babylon wrote:
I kind of feel bad for all the Korean players picked up by AZK now, not gonna lie.
They probably just wanted free flights and accomodation. I wouldn't be surprised if IGN (or the $2k? HoN tourney sponsorship) paid for all the flights that Gus is using to bribe players to join AZK with.
The guy should be permanently banned from the scene unless he somehow comes up with legit explanation.
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Keep up the good work Dox - you should definitely be proud of your efforts in eSports for the SEA community. I personally would love to see you partner with IPL in the future.
Lets hope the community never sees such a clusterfuck ever happen again.
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What a shame. Here I was hoping that we could've become a regular stage for SC2 tournaments in the future. I guess this might be the last time I get to see my favorite pros come over to play a tournament.
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On November 08 2011 09:59 Dox wrote:
Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus speaks directly to mOOnGLaDe - attempting to bribe him with a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation. If mOOnGLaDe accepts, he is required to represent Team AZK at the event, and join the team for 3 months. (GLaDe declined)
Hmm..thats kinda interesting, I remember seeing a post about mvp.violet joining azk, wonder if the "joining azk" was another publicity stunt pulled off using a similar clause. Also is sickness a real legit member, or is he temporary too just for the purpose of the event?
These guys seem so shady, thought they were just trolls, but this is now going down to fraud.
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Thanks for doing this.
Damn. I hoped that it would be a well-run event since Philippines is my mother country. But, all this bullshit makes me very sad. I was even being pitiful for the streaming fail(s) since I know for myself that PH internet is bad.
Goodluck in the future though. I'm hoping it won't hurt SEA eSports as much as we think.
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AZK being blacklisted by all major events and sponsors in 3...2...1... Seriously, who will work with them after all this?
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For anyone who isn't aware, Dox is a well respected and highly regarded individual in Australia and SEA.
He singlehandedly organises multiple and regular SEA tournaments and was instrumental in organising the Blizzard SEA Invitational and WCG Australia.
Thank you for your perspective in such a well written post.
Also props to Moonglade for not buying in on the BS of Gus (AZK.WitchDoc) Ledesma and for YoonYJ for not erupting into flame, a model eSportsman.
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Guise, its okay, we should forgive him cuz he was partying with Tasteless!!!11
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This definitely needs more recognition - I've edited it into the original blog post.
First IPL, and then S2 games? Mother of god.
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Well, AZK might as well just ahead and disband, considering they will never be taken seriously by the e-sports community for the rest of time.
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Thanks for the information Dox. Appreciate all the transparency, things like this will help people know who can be trusted and who cannot.
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People like this ruin e-sports.
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On November 08 2011 11:03 Dox wrote:This definitely needs more recognition - I've edited it into the original blog post. First IPL, and then S2 games? Mother of god.
I'll tell ya where that 2k$ went, it went into Gus' fat pocket rofl
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Lazy bums. So disappointed.
They probably had no idea how much work they needed to put in. That's their fault.
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dox, sending you a pm regarding the HoN incident as to not go off topic.
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I think this deserves to be in SC2 general to get more community exposure.
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On November 08 2011 11:18 Sein wrote:
I think this deserves to be in SC2 general to get more community exposure.
I didn't want to create yet another thread about IPL4, felt like there was already enough inundation happening in SC2 General.
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Unfortunately it seems we find the dark side to the growth of eSports. As we gain legitimacy there will be those who try and take advantage of our naiveté in this field of international organization. We will suffer from their corruption, their greed, but we will suffer these blows with more resolve than they could have fathomed and we will remain on top. eSports will not fail, despite detritus like AZK and their management.
eSports forever, thank you for doing your part to grow it Dox, you have my axe in all future endeavors.
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I was pretty disheartened as soon as I heard the event was being associated with IPL4. I knew it was sketchy and probably didn't do enough to advise people against it, thinking it wasn't really my call.
Just looking at the groups you can see the extreme bias that AZK have showed towards their own players and against fellow Filipino players who are not part of AZK. I especially feel for EnDerr, BlaZeR and JaBiTo as three of the best and truly talented Filipino players who were on the wrong end of discrimination/racism just because they are non-AZK given very tough groups. Really kills my motivation to host events when events like this are allowed to run after I try to put so much effort into running fair events.
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This is so sad .
I also think this link is worthwhile to mention:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600
and especially this quote:
"Seeing our friends at AZK working hard to put everything under control while their "leaders" was nowhere to be seen from morning 'till afternoon was painful. Torch took over management during the chaos."
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wow. AZK should not be trusted to run any events of any scale in the future.
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On November 08 2011 11:38 Theovide wrote:This is so sad . I also think this link is worthwhile to mention: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600and especially this quote: "Seeing our friends at AZK working hard to put everything under control while their "leaders" was nowhere to be seen from morning 'till afternoon was painful. Torch took over management during the chaos."
That just links back to this blog, were you attempting to link to something else?
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Really wish I knew how to hack websites right about now. Just sayin'. This is so disgraceful. Especially the HoN tournament, you can go to their website now, and it is still being advertised for 7th of November lol.
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AZK is a disgrace to E-sports. I hope their team and players are blacklisted from any tournaments.
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Not to mention they charged a bunch of people ~$12 for a VIP pass grating benefits, but didn't deliver any except for the "Razer goody bag".
This event was never meant to be a fair tournament, but a shameless act of self promotion and monetary gain.
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I'm sorry to off topic, but can anyone point me to the link regarding the violet thingy?
Now, going on-topic, big props to Dox for going public with this and showing how shady and unprofessional Team AZK is. Yes, I'm from the Philippines and nothing hurts me more than reading about this epic failure that is the PPSL. It has set back Philippine eSports back a lot, and I hope it had not hurt SEA eSports. I was very hopeful when the PPSL was announced, now, I could only facepalm in shame.
I'm somewhat thankful that Philippine eSports is in the dumps right now. The Pinoys now have to work a bazillion times harder to regain the trust of the international community before any event can be done in Manila. Although it was a bad spotlight on the Phillipines, at least the world knows that our country just does not have the infrastructure to hold such a big event as the PPSL. Malaysia and Singapore should be the top of the list.
Hope we hear from Team AZK soon.
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Ugh... I remember AZK from the whole "we got violet" thing... and that never materialized.. I think that thread got moved into the moderator section
I feel bad for everybody that got screwed... AZK better come out and say something cause there's a lot of angry stuff right now
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On November 08 2011 12:18 EnTaroAdun411 wrote:
I'm sorry to off topic, but can anyone point me to the link regarding the violet thingy?
There's no real link and there wasn't anything about the Violet thing.
Just that one time an AZK staff posted on the AZK forums that Violet had joined their team (when he was still in MVP). There was sort of a denial by Violet on Twitter. Leading many to believe it was a hoax.
Later Violet left MVP, for study and health (I think) reasons, and was teamless throughout his brief remaining stint in Code A.
He suddenly reappears at IPL3 as an AZK representative (with the jacket and stuff).
There wasn't really much of a public issue to it really.
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I hope AZK witchdoc gets crucified for his corruption
what a disgusting human being, disrespecting esports, sc2, korean players, YYJ, and the SEA scene.
I hope he is sued and blacklisted forever.
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On November 08 2011 12:10 Zraf wrote:
Not to mention they charged a bunch of people ~$12 for a VIP pass grating benefits, but didn't deliver any except for the "Razer goody bag".
This event was never meant to be a fair tournament, but a shameless act of self promotion and monetary gain.
I know, right? I was deeply frustrated with the issue with the VIP pass, mostly because it looked like they didn't even try. It was one thing to try and fail, but a whole other thing for them not to try at all to fulfill what they promised. No one talked to us, no one told us what was happening, and when we asked the staff what was going on they said they didn't know ('we have to ask the person-in-charge first'). They just handed over the goody bag then left us for the day. We were promised a meet-and-greet with the players, an autograph signing session, and pictures with them. Nothing ever materialized and we never got our money back.
I feel sorry for all the non-AZK people who got associated with this (IPL, Tastosis, thegunrun, the invitees, Rachel and Allyn, etc), and I feel pretty bad as a Filipino that all this happened on this event. It's gonna take a while to get people to start being confident in holding an event in Manila ever again, but I hope it's not entirely impossible.
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legit blog. You should partner with ign next time
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Well this will set Aussies back quite a bit....oh dang looks like I'll never get drafted
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How shitty - I guess the Koreans who joined AZK will probably only be there for 3 months and only joined for flight to Manila then. This is disgusting, I don't know what is going through these guy's heads. Need to gtfo our scene.
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Good man Derek - this Gus fella needs to harden up with a cup of concrete. At least be upfront about things eh... if he doesn't want to send a second Aussie player, then don't. Not hard really.
And the whole deal about Violet is so confusing. Violet has no mention of him playing for AZK on his stream or anywhere. They (Team AZK) are seriously wrecking Esports.
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On November 08 2011 13:17 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Good man Derek - this Gus fella needs to harden up with a cup of concrete. At least be upfront about things eh... if he doesn't want to send a second Aussie player, then don't. Not hard really.
And the whole deal about Violet is so confusing. Violet has no mention of him playing for AZK on his stream or anywhere. They (Team AZK) are seriously wrecking Esports.
He played for AZK at IPL3 because they flew him there.
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Pretty much sullied their name so much so that no one will take them seriously in future
Feel bad for the parties who've had to deal with them and IPL who tried to help them grow but received a bit of backlash since their brandname was plastered over everything.
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On November 08 2011 10:36 PlasticMilk wrote:
While wathcing the event (having no background knowledge of the event prior) I thought that perhaps this was just a small step they had to overcome (as other tournaments like NASL had such hiccups) but after reading all the follow-up, I'm sure I, as well as many, have lost A LOT of respect for AZK as well as other teams that might be branded or associated with them.
Though the testimonials about AZK have been one sided, it doesn't seem that this Gus character is coming out with any public discretion.
I feel sorry for you and all the shit you had to deal with when negotiating and planning this clusterfuck event where the production value really did seem pathetic. I mean why would they use someone like CheekyDuck to cast? Did they even find any decent qualifications for it (no offence to them but when you contrast them with Tastosis there's no excuse to have such 2nd rate casting).
Thanks for enlightening and I hope the SEA community does recover quickly from this as there are some great players in that area, but apparently work ethics aren't as apparent. Excuse me? CheekyDuck/Livibee were some of the best amateur casters I've heard. Apart from the "right about now" and a few analytical errors (Gold minerals on shakuras??), they were pretty on the ball. A caster from GSL whose name shall not be mentioned was a lot worse than these two when he began, and one could argue, is still terrible.
On November 08 2011 13:23 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 13:17 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Good man Derek - this Gus fella needs to harden up with a cup of concrete. At least be upfront about things eh... if he doesn't want to send a second Aussie player, then don't. Not hard really.
And the whole deal about Violet is so confusing. Violet has no mention of him playing for AZK on his stream or anywhere. They (Team AZK) are seriously wrecking Esports. He played for AZK at IPL3 because they flew him there.
Thanks - missed the twitter post my bad. Looks like Violet didn't want to share the same roof with these dudes for whatever reason eh
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This is a horrible scandal...not quite as devastating as the match-fixing scandal, but this some pretty disgusting corruption and abuse of power. Not only cancelling flights, stacking the qualifiers (both by running unpublicized team qualifiers and stacking non-AZK players like MC and MKP together in groups so AZK players would advance), pocketing prizemoney and scamming players. Terrible.
Thank for you all of your efforts, though, hosting the Australian qualifiers and vouching for the players.
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fucken pinoy can never be trusted.
User was banned for this post.
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Hey Dox, just want to thank you for the hard work you put in for the Aussie qualifiers. I tuned in on quite a few nights and it was really enjoyable to watch and see some Aussie players on the scene =]
Keep up the good work!
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wow Gus really just fucked over the whole SC2 SEA esports scene..that is just fucking despicable, but gl getting to get revenue for your team now Gus.
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On November 08 2011 13:34 dennistoo wrote:
fucken pinoy can never be trusted.
This may be feeding the troll but what the hell...
Don't turn this into a race issue. I'm Filipino and pretty disgusted and embarassed by everything about this. That said, there are a lot of people here that could have definitely done a better job and it was unfortunate that this event wasn't handled by them.
Don't generalize when you don't know what you're talking about, it only makes you look stupid.
On topic: Thanks Dox for this info. Hopefully the SEA scene can bounce back from this and the people (person?) responsible for this whole fiasco can be held accountable.
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Wow, this post makes me so angry
what a piece of shit seriously. i don't care if i get banned for language (i don't know if there's such a rule) but seriously this "Gus" guy sounds like a huge fucking douchebag. I feel very sorry for the players who recently got picked up by AZK, especially the korean players and clan Lof. Now I understand what the whole AZKviolet thing was about...
I really hope something is done about this guy.
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What a surprise. I feel sad for the players, especially the Koreans who switched to AZK. Not to mention IGN, the casters and other players who attended the event. Hopefully they'll get some of the prize money at least..
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Horrible truly horrible, on the bright side the scum won't be doing anything much after showing their true colours.
Keep up the good work Dox don't let this stop you be a wizard of esports!
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Thanks for dropping some truth on all this. It's all really fucked up.
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Wow, i didn't even realize there were qualifiers in Australia for this.If there were qualis for Aus, then shouldn't there be qualis for other countries in SEA as well? I initially thought the players were arbitrarily 'invited'.
It seems like AZK was/is being unprofessional and selfish but i wouldn't go out to say that they are killing e-sports? Poor Koreans though. I don't know what's gonna happen to them when they're stuck with AZK contractually. Could so see the team getting blacklisted and barred from future SEA events. =\
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Will this conman face legal ramifications? can he be charged and jailed for fraud? I wanna see his ass get like 40 lashes or w/e his country does to common scum. Team azk should also be permanently banned from all events worldwide and all players should be given a chance to publically apoligize and leave AZK or else be banned too.
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pretty sure it was to make bracket like this example. a=#1 b=#2 in pool
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to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are.
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On November 08 2011 14:17 Modeath wrote:
Will this conman face legal ramifications? can he be charged and jailed for fraud? I wanna see his ass get like 40 lashes or w/e his country does to common scum. Team azk should also be permanently banned from all events worldwide and all players should be given a chance to publically apoligize and leave AZK or else be banned too.
A conman in the Philippines with a little bit of cash usually just gets away with stuff like this. I think its up to the community to sanction them, as any legal action wouldn't be processed in time in this country before Starcraft 20 is released.
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Blacklisting this scum would be the best bet for SC2 and other e-Sports activities; and I'm pretty sure some non-SC2 guys I know could have done better. I feel bad for the guys on the ground left in the lurch by the top brass. Some of them are definitely passionate about e-Sports and don't really deserve to be shit on by everyone else because they were misled.
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This is honestly one of the saddest stories to come out thus far in SC2. AZK positioned themselves to be the front of SEA esports can shat on the trust of many. However, the human greed factor shows itself in every avenue of human life without fail; esports is unfortunately no exception.
Lesson hopefully learned by all parties, and you work with those you can have trust in and who prove themselves to you. I wish all the best for any hurt by this event: hopefully AZK will go into wind and never be heard from again.
IGN hopefully learned a lesson of taking baby steps that other organizations over the esports years did not heed. IPL did so well by slowly introducing regions, and then methodically implementing a single live event - I hope to see it continue!
/Mike
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great going Dox! SEA FIGHTING!
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On November 08 2011 14:23 Modeath wrote:
pretty sure it was to make bracket like this example. a=#1 b=#2 in pool
to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are.
I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4.
Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. But then I refreshed and the brackets had been changed.
EDIT: I'm told by someone at the event that the brackets were re-generated for some reason by pulling names out of a hat. Mystery solved!
+ Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] +
+ Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] +
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On November 08 2011 10:07 deth wrote:
Great blog man, was waiting for the full story to get out after them screwing over YYJ. Absolutely disgraceful production and leadership has been shown all the way through by AZK, and now the event itself is literally the worst large-scale event in post-release SC2's history.
Some people shouldn't have so much money.
What's even more sad is that the money was IPL's..
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the only thing i see spreading them out doing is make it less likely even 1 of them make round of 8. instead of a teamkill in r16 those 2 play vs moon and check and also swapped sickess to play MC so honestly the 2nd bracket is much worse for azk than the first.
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On November 08 2011 14:39 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 14:23 Modeath wrote:
pretty sure it was to make bracket like this example. a=#1 b=#2 in pool
to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are. I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. I interrogated the bracket, and here's what it looks like: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. However after refreshing the brackets just now, it appears that they've been adjusted. I tried to think of why the brackets might be adjusted, since the original format made perfect sense. And then it occurred to me. They redistributed the AZK guys throughout the bracket to improve their chances of making it to the finals. See the two images below for comparison. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] ++ Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] +
That's just disgusting. I know this sort of scamming and corruption is pretty normal in Philippine affairs especially politics but dammit, I don't want it to spread to my beloved e-sports.
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On November 08 2011 14:39 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 14:23 Modeath wrote:
pretty sure it was to make bracket like this example. a=#1 b=#2 in pool
to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are. I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. I interrogated the bracket, and here's what it looks like: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. However after refreshing the brackets just now, it appears that they've been adjusted. I tried to think of why the brackets might be adjusted, since the original format made perfect sense. And then it occurred to me. They redistributed the AZK guys throughout the bracket to improve their chances of making it to the finals. See the two images below for comparison. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] ++ Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] +
Actually, I feel like it did the opposite. In the old brackets, AZK was guaranteed a player in Ro8 and possibly a second AZK v. AZK match in that round to guarantee a top 4 finish for one of their players. They also had (in my opinion) a weaker bracket originally than now.
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On November 08 2011 14:39 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 14:23 Modeath wrote:
pretty sure it was to make bracket like this example. a=#1 b=#2 in pool
to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are. I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. I interrogated the bracket, and here's what it looks like: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. However after refreshing the brackets just now, it appears that they've been adjusted. I tried to think of why the brackets might be adjusted, since the original format made perfect sense. And then it occurred to me. They redistributed the AZK guys throughout the bracket to improve their chances of making it to the finals. See the two images below for comparison. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] ++ Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] +
Woah Wtf you just opened up a can of worms!!! Who's this Gus Guy.... i will have to read more of your blog seems like he really tricked you and is a scammer!
AZK possibly ?Match Fixing....?. Maybe this is also why IPL decided to drop them relations with them
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Dissapointing. I know pitchforks are mostly pulled in r/starcraft, but I hope Gus gets what he deserves -_-
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On November 08 2011 14:54 _Depression wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 14:39 Dox wrote:On November 08 2011 14:23 Modeath wrote:
pretty sure it was to make bracket like this example. a=#1 b=#2 in pool
to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are. I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. I interrogated the bracket, and here's what it looks like: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. However after refreshing the brackets just now, it appears that they've been adjusted. I tried to think of why the brackets might be adjusted, since the original format made perfect sense. And then it occurred to me. They redistributed the AZK guys throughout the bracket to improve their chances of making it to the finals. See the two images below for comparison. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] ++ Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] + Actually, I feel like it did the opposite. In the old brackets, AZK was guaranteed a player in Ro8 and possibly a second AZK v. AZK match in that round to guarantee a top 4 finish for one of their players. They also had (in my opinion) a weaker bracket originally than now.
Yeah I dunno. As I said in the other thread, I could very well be wrong. They spread some of their players out, but it doesn't seem like they really have an easier time. But either way, tampering with the brackets after they've been published requires some sort of explanation.
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Just to clarify, is the prize pool 9k and then only 2k was distributed? As in they scammed a ton of people for a 4 figure payout? Exchange rate must be good for them?
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On November 08 2011 14:59 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 14:54 _Depression wrote:On November 08 2011 14:39 Dox wrote:On November 08 2011 14:23 Modeath wrote:
pretty sure it was to make bracket like this example. a=#1 b=#2 in pool
to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are. I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. I interrogated the bracket, and here's what it looks like: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. However after refreshing the brackets just now, it appears that they've been adjusted. I tried to think of why the brackets might be adjusted, since the original format made perfect sense. And then it occurred to me. They redistributed the AZK guys throughout the bracket to improve their chances of making it to the finals. See the two images below for comparison. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] ++ Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] + Actually, I feel like it did the opposite. In the old brackets, AZK was guaranteed a player in Ro8 and possibly a second AZK v. AZK match in that round to guarantee a top 4 finish for one of their players. They also had (in my opinion) a weaker bracket originally than now. Yeah I dunno. As I said in the other thread, I could very well be wrong. They spread some of their players out, but it doesn't seem like they really have an easier time. But either way, tampering with the brackets after they've been published requires some sort of explanation.
It could be anything from an honest mix-up with bracket placements (after what happened in IEM NY it's definitely possible) to AZK trying their hardest to make the rest of the tournament seem as legit as possible.
Edit: As hard as it is to believe anything about this tournament other than the actual play is legit at this point, we can't just immediately dismiss any mistakes (especially ones like this that are _fixed_) as being part of the terrible actions AZK has taken so far. At some point in the future we may get a full accounting of what happened (both the legitimate and illegitimate), but for now let's just see how it all plays out.
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Ok i just read the Whole Blog; Dox i feel really bad for you that you had to Put up with this. So are AZK (Guys) Etc The guys that IGN/IPL Contracted to run this Tournament?
Kinda of Conflict of Interests right? From what i've read so far Gus seems like a Shady Scam-Artist/Con-Artist Stealing money from Tournaments and Maybe he possibly stole the Money from the PPSL/IPL4 Australia South-East Asia Qualifier Tournament Thing?
I can confirm that he fights dirty. I have seen him watching matchups between his clanmate and some other guy and he would tell his clanmate what the other guy is doing just so Gus can win. He cheats. It's a fact and I'm sorry that a lot of people got dragged into this.
Gus is just way over in his head and more concerned about putting himself out there rather than promoting e-sports. It's all about him and it blew in his face.
and not only that Possible Match Fixing? Maybe not just Match Fixing maybe they are cheating like in this quote from that anonymous person sent you maybe they are relaying messages to players while they are playing to give them an advantage.
Gus is also trying to Steal Players by Giving MoonGlade a Spot on The Plane when When the one Player couldn't go because of University.
Ok i see what happened now he tried to Steal MoonGlade to his Team and give him a Spot to go instead of YJY Who had rightfully earned the Spot..
Gus= Ruining E-Sports Con-Artist is what i learned from your blog Thank-you...
Do you think they are cheating during the Live Tournament too i wouldn't doubt it look how shady their dealings with you are and they are thieves from what i have Read.
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On November 08 2011 15:12 XRaDiiX wrote:Ok i just read the Whole Blog; Dox i feel really bad for you that you had to Put up with this. So are AZK (Guys) Etc The guys that IGN/IPL Contracted to run this Tournament? Kinda of Conflict of Interests right? From what i've read so far Gus seems like a Shady Scam-Artist/Con-Artist Stealing money from Tournaments and Maybe he possibly stole the Money from the PPSL/IPL4 Australia South-East Asia Qualifier Tournament Thing? Show nested quote +I can confirm that he fights dirty. I have seen him watching matchups between his clanmate and some other guy and he would tell his clanmate what the other guy is doing just so Gus can win. He cheats. It's a fact and I'm sorry that a lot of people got dragged into this.
Gus is just way over in his head and more concerned about putting himself out there rather than promoting e-sports. It's all about him and it blew in his face. and not only that Possible Match Fixing? Maybe not just Match Fixing maybe they are cheating like in this quote from that anonymous person sent you maybe they are relaying messages to players while they are playing to give them an advantage. Gus is also trying to Steal Players by Giving MoonGlade a Spot on The Plane when When the one Player couldn't go because of University. Ok i see what happened now he tried to Steal MoonGlade to his Team and give him a Spot to go instead of YJY Who had rightfully earned the Spot..
Gus tried to get Moonglade on AZK by bribing him with a spot in the IPL4 Qualifiers, as well as a free flight on the condition that he join AZK for 3 months. He used the excuse that "we only had to provide transportation for the 1st and 2nd place players" so they didn't need to bring YJY, which is yet another piece of underhanded brilliance by the scumbag Gus.
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On November 08 2011 15:07 _Depression wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 14:59 Dox wrote:On November 08 2011 14:54 _Depression wrote:On November 08 2011 14:39 Dox wrote:On November 08 2011 14:23 Modeath wrote:
pretty sure it was to make bracket like this example. a=#1 b=#2 in pool
to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are. I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. I interrogated the bracket, and here's what it looks like: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. However after refreshing the brackets just now, it appears that they've been adjusted. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] ++ Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] + Actually, I feel like it did the opposite. In the old brackets, AZK was guaranteed a player in Ro8 and possibly a second AZK v. AZK match in that round to guarantee a top 4 finish for one of their players. They also had (in my opinion) a weaker bracket originally than now. Yeah I dunno. As I said in the other thread, I could very well be wrong. They spread some of their players out, but it doesn't seem like they really have an easier time. But either way, tampering with the brackets after they've been published requires some sort of explanation. It could be anything from an honest mix-up with bracket placements (after what happened in IEM NY it's definitely possible) to AZK trying their hardest to make the rest of the tournament seem as legit as possible. Edit: As hard as it is to believe anything about this tournament other than the actual play is legit at this point, we can't just immediately dismiss any mistakes (especially ones like this that are _fixed_) as being part of the terrible actions AZK has taken so far. At some point in the future we may get a full accounting of what happened (both the legitimate and illegitimate), but for now let's just see how it all plays out.
I'm told by someone live at the event that the brackets were re-generated from scratch for some reason, and names were pulled from a hat. So yeah, mystery solved in that regard.
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On November 08 2011 15:24 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 15:07 _Depression wrote:On November 08 2011 14:59 Dox wrote:On November 08 2011 14:54 _Depression wrote:On November 08 2011 14:39 Dox wrote:On November 08 2011 14:23 Modeath wrote:
pretty sure it was to make bracket like this example. a=#1 b=#2 in pool
to prevent any playing of someone from your bracket till the finals like most tourneys are. I think you misunderstood. In the original format, there was no opportunity for anyone to play someone from their pools until the Ro4. I interrogated the bracket, and here's what it looks like: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. However after refreshing the brackets just now, it appears that they've been adjusted. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] ++ Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] + Actually, I feel like it did the opposite. In the old brackets, AZK was guaranteed a player in Ro8 and possibly a second AZK v. AZK match in that round to guarantee a top 4 finish for one of their players. They also had (in my opinion) a weaker bracket originally than now. Yeah I dunno. As I said in the other thread, I could very well be wrong. They spread some of their players out, but it doesn't seem like they really have an easier time. But either way, tampering with the brackets after they've been published requires some sort of explanation. It could be anything from an honest mix-up with bracket placements (after what happened in IEM NY it's definitely possible) to AZK trying their hardest to make the rest of the tournament seem as legit as possible. Edit: As hard as it is to believe anything about this tournament other than the actual play is legit at this point, we can't just immediately dismiss any mistakes (especially ones like this that are _fixed_) as being part of the terrible actions AZK has taken so far. At some point in the future we may get a full accounting of what happened (both the legitimate and illegitimate), but for now let's just see how it all plays out. I'm told by someone live at the event that the brackets were re-generated from scratch for some reason, and names were pulled from a hat. So yeah, mystery solved in that regard.
What that tells me is that there was some decision (either by Gus himself, the casters, IPL or the players as a whole) asked for a re-bracketing so that it would be _definite_ that the placement was impartial.
Edit: As a little aside that might just add to the clustershiftiness that is AZK, LiviBee and Cheekyduck both recently joined Team AZK. That proves to me that Gus did everything in his power to turn this IPL4 Qualifier into an AZK Invitational Tournament.
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On November 08 2011 15:21 _Depression wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 15:12 XRaDiiX wrote:Ok i just read the Whole Blog; Dox i feel really bad for you that you had to Put up with this. So are AZK (Guys) Etc The guys that IGN/IPL Contracted to run this Tournament? Kinda of Conflict of Interests right? From what i've read so far Gus seems like a Shady Scam-Artist/Con-Artist Stealing money from Tournaments and Maybe he possibly stole the Money from the PPSL/IPL4 Australia South-East Asia Qualifier Tournament Thing? I can confirm that he fights dirty. I have seen him watching matchups between his clanmate and some other guy and he would tell his clanmate what the other guy is doing just so Gus can win. He cheats. It's a fact and I'm sorry that a lot of people got dragged into this.
Gus is just way over in his head and more concerned about putting himself out there rather than promoting e-sports. It's all about him and it blew in his face. and not only that Possible Match Fixing? Maybe not just Match Fixing maybe they are cheating like in this quote from that anonymous person sent you maybe they are relaying messages to players while they are playing to give them an advantage. Gus is also trying to Steal Players by Giving MoonGlade a Spot on The Plane when When the one Player couldn't go because of University. Ok i see what happened now he tried to Steal MoonGlade to his Team and give him a Spot to go instead of YJY Who had rightfully earned the Spot.. Gus tried to get Moonglade on AZK by bribing him with a spot in the IPL4 Qualifiers, as well as a free flight on the condition that he join AZK for 3 months. He used the excuse that "we only had to provide transportation for the 1st and 2nd place players" so they didn't need to bring YJY, which is yet another piece of underhanded brilliance by the scumbag Gus.
WOAH Thats shady
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I hope this Gus Guy never gets to Run an Event again; from what i've read from your Blog Dox seems like Gus is Pilfering money from the Tournament.
Bribing/Match/Cheating Fixing as Well Possibly.
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Thanks for the deets Dox.
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Already mentioned in the bullet points at the end of the OP.
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EDIT4: I'm told by someone at the event that the brackets were re-generated for some reason by pulling names out of a hat. Mystery solved
But who was in Charge of doing this. Gus?
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On November 08 2011 16:02 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +EDIT4: I'm told by someone at the event that the brackets were re-generated for some reason by pulling names out of a hat. Mystery solved But who was in Charge of doing this. Gus?
At this point it doesn't matter if it was Gus, Alex from IPL, Tastosis, the players, or the crowd threatening them at gunpoint. The re-bracketing is at least impartial, if maybe a little unfair.
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On November 08 2011 16:01 _Depression wrote:Already mentioned in the bullet points at the end of the OP.
Oh sorry. I must have missed that.
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It is truly a shame that this blissful opportunity to bring SEA to the world stage has tragically suffered at the hands of irresponsible egotists.
Dox, you have shown to be an honest and hardworking gentlemen and I wish you all the best in the future. Do not lose hope for the future of Australian esports.
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I know i still appreciate and respect SEA sc2 community. I just know which one not to follow now! Although AZK did misrepresent SEA, personally, it just showed me who is good and who is bad.
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As a SEA player, I feel extremely embarrassed by this. This is definitely not the standard that the SEA scene should, and could, display.
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Great post, i feel bad for everyone who got hurt by this. Best of luck in the future.
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So team AZK hosted two Australian events and the winners would get invites to IPL4? And this ended up with huge sponsors like IGN behind it before it collapsed? Is there anything else or did I get it now?
Was it an offline even? I read something about the Philipines?
StarcraftCeption...
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On November 08 2011 16:36 GeuRiMo wrote:
So team AZK hosted two Australian events and the winners would get invites to IPL4? And this ended up with huge sponsors like IGN behind it before it collapsed? Is there anything else or did I get it now?
Not quite. AZK was getting into contact with Dox (in Australia) about sending a player to the PPSL (Philippino Pro SC2 League) tournament; eventually the PPSL turned into the IPL4 Pacific Qualifier, and Dox's tourney would be the Australian qualifier for the IPL Qualifier (like qualifier inception).
The sketchiness started when Gus agreed (and signed a contract) to bring the 1st and 2nd place finishers to the IPL Qualifier but tried to cheat YoonJY out of a spot by offering to bring MoonGlade over instead (Moonglade refused Gus's bribe). There were other "qualifiers" held to fill other spots in the IPL Qualifier, but one of them wasn't even announced to the public.
Everything that has happened has just seemed really sketchy.
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someone should sue his sorry ass
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On November 08 2011 16:42 _Depression wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:36 GeuRiMo wrote:
So team AZK hosted two Australian events and the winners would get invites to IPL4? And this ended up with huge sponsors like IGN behind it before it collapsed? Is there anything else or did I get it now? Not quite. AZK was getting into contact with Dox (in Australia) about sending a player to the PPSL (Philippino Pro SC2 League) tournament; eventually the PPSL turned into the IPL4 Pacific Qualifier, and Dox's tourney would be the Australian qualifier for the IPL Qualifier (like qualifier inception). The sketchiness started when Gus agreed (and signed a contract) to bring the 1st and 2nd place finishers to the IPL Qualifier but tried to cheat YoonJY out of a spot by offering to bring MoonGlade over instead (Moonglade refused Gus's bribe). There were other "qualifiers" held to fill other spots in the IPL Qualifier, but one of them wasn't even announced to the public. Everything that has happened has just seemed really sketchy.
Ah so it was an Australian online event to send 2 Australian playrers to PPSL, the IPL4 Pacific qualifier? The big names were real though?
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On November 08 2011 16:48 GeuRiMo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:42 _Depression wrote:On November 08 2011 16:36 GeuRiMo wrote:
So team AZK hosted two Australian events and the winners would get invites to IPL4? And this ended up with huge sponsors like IGN behind it before it collapsed? Is there anything else or did I get it now? Not quite. AZK was getting into contact with Dox (in Australia) about sending a player to the PPSL (Philippino Pro SC2 League) tournament; eventually the PPSL turned into the IPL4 Pacific Qualifier, and Dox's tourney would be the Australian qualifier for the IPL Qualifier (like qualifier inception). The sketchiness started when Gus agreed (and signed a contract) to bring the 1st and 2nd place finishers to the IPL Qualifier but tried to cheat YoonJY out of a spot by offering to bring MoonGlade over instead (Moonglade refused Gus's bribe). There were other "qualifiers" held to fill other spots in the IPL Qualifier, but one of them wasn't even announced to the public. Everything that has happened has just seemed really sketchy. Ah so it was an Australian online event to send 2 Australian playrers to PPSL, the IPL4 Pacific qualifier? The big names were real though?
Yes, you can see the players invited/qualified for the IPL4 Qualifier here.
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On November 08 2011 16:43 ChriS-X wrote:
someone should sue his sorry ass
There really ought to be some legal action. I mean, if esports in general is to become legitimate, this sort of behavior needs to be squashed now and precedents set. Create legal ramifications for those who cut corners and take advantage of both corporate and community members. Make an example of this guy. At least something productive would come out of this with some kind of legal precedent in place for future "Gus"-es who want to make a quick buck at the expense of the hard work and investments of those around them.
IGN, S2, Dox, anyone involved, should pool info and lock it up.
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On November 08 2011 16:58 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:There really ought to be some legal action. I mean, if esports in general is to become legitimate, this sort of behavior needs to be squashed now and precedents set. Create legal ramifications for those who cut corners and take advantage of both corporate and community members. Make an example of this guy. At least something productive would come out of this with some kind of legal precedent in place for future "Gus"-es who want to make a quick buck at the expense of the hard work and investments of those around them. IGN, S2, Dox, anyone involved, should pool info and lock it up.
Seeking legal action would take time and money that would, in the long term perhaps, bring Gus to justice, but in the short term nothing can be done. By the time any kind of legal case is presented in court, the actual IPL4 will probably be over. In fact, even if the case went to court tomorrow it wouldn't help. IPL would not be able to rectify all of Gus's wrongdoings without completely restarting this Qualifier tournament, and they can't and won't do that.
The most immediate and impactful thing we can do to stop Gus is to air him out to dry and blacklist him, even if it's only in theory and not really followed through. His name and the AZK team will be marred by this for a long time to come, and I know for sure that IPL will never work with him again (hell, they've probably got their own personal blacklist of shady organizers). I'm sure someone, somewhere will give the guy another chance, but with all of this drama it certainly won't be for a long time.
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i hope that he never organize a tournament again.
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From what I've observed Dox seems like a really awesome guy trying really hard to make things work for the SEA scene. I hope it's successful and he can avoid people like Gus in the future.
Keep fighting Dox! We supported you when Major tried to scam you and we support you now too
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I'm wondering if anyone sould be warning Sickness and Js about what they're getting into.
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I have a question: What is the likelihood that the winner of this tournament will be paid out?
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Keep fighting SEA Community!
We know you are awesome. People like Gus exist everywhere. Its just a shame this was the biggest chance SEA had so far to make an impact... Oh dear
And dox, great writeup and keep doing e-sports - it looks like ur the kind of guy the SEA community needs 
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so ridiculous and unprofessional....what a travesty it has become. sigh
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Fucking AZK... they're so full of shit. Can't believe they even did the brackets bullshit.
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Lol so the mods in the chat went a little ban crazy.
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What a farce. Hope the community learns from this and stays the heck away from Gus.
Also, thanks OP for everything.
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To be honest I think the wannabe Destiny's quote in the chatbox above pretty much sums up this event and Gus's shit: ftgyuujh
Also, how come 3700 ppl are still watching that bullshit. Give in to your hate fellow eSPORTSfans
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On November 08 2011 17:10 _Depression wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:58 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:On November 08 2011 16:43 ChriS-X wrote:
someone should sue his sorry ass There really ought to be some legal action. I mean, if esports in general is to become legitimate, this sort of behavior needs to be squashed now and precedents set. Create legal ramifications for those who cut corners and take advantage of both corporate and community members. Make an example of this guy. At least something productive would come out of this with some kind of legal precedent in place for future "Gus"-es who want to make a quick buck at the expense of the hard work and investments of those around them. IGN, S2, Dox, anyone involved, should pool info and lock it up. Seeking legal action would take time and money that would, in the long term perhaps, bring Gus to justice, but in the short term nothing can be done. By the time any kind of legal case is presented in court, the actual IPL4 will probably be over. In fact, even if the case went to court tomorrow it wouldn't help. IPL would not be able to rectify all of Gus's wrongdoings without completely restarting this Qualifier tournament, and they can't and won't do that. The most immediate and impactful thing we can do to stop Gus is to air him out to dry and blacklist him, even if it's only in theory and not really followed through. His name and the AZK team will be marred by this for a long time to come, and I know for sure that IPL will never work with him again (hell, they've probably got their own personal blacklist of shady organizers). I'm sure someone, somewhere will give the guy another chance, but with all of this drama it certainly won't be for a long time.
Suing somebody in your own country is already really long, time consuming and expensive, but suing someone in a foreign country (especially when it's a developing country) for, at most 10 000$ ? Unfortunately it's not going to be worth it, all you can do is boycott and try to prevent this guy from doing anything in e-sport, but he will probably get away with his scam.
I really feel sad concerning this story, a lot a passionate people (organisers, players etc) were affected by that, I hope they won't loose their drive for e-sport.
I also hope that nexsickness will leave team AZK, this team is obviously a scam.. violet made the right move.
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Just support the tournament. I think it's clear that Gus is at an end and whatever unprofessional ulterior motives or goals that he may have will never happen. Which is a big hooray for everyone.
In the end, people are doing damage control to give the players and viewers a great tournament despite the setbacks. It's all about for the love of the game now.
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Being an SEA player this situation really makes me angry... we don't get many tournaments like this!
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Good Guy MoonGlade Declined the Bribe From Gus Props to him!
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On November 08 2011 18:18 XRaDiiX wrote:
please keep others' private life out of this.
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On November 08 2011 18:21 OopsOopsBaby wrote:please keep others' private life out of this.
Deleted it.... Just thought it was related .... Sorry
Probably better people didn't know the details i found out..
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Thanks for posting and letting us know about this, never thought someone within the sc2 community could be so corrupt. Ban these people from all future events and communities.
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Thanks for letting us know...Such a shame! But the worst thing is that they even magically changed the brackets in order to give azk players a better chance to win in the tourney. That's just sad an ruining e-Sports.
I really wish we had an international tournament control who is able to ban such "organisers" for a lifetime.
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On November 08 2011 10:44 babylon wrote:
I kind of feel bad for all the Korean players picked up by AZK now, not gonna lie.
I wonder if those players even know that they are on AZK...
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Hey, on their stream right now, SEN was playing with an AZK tag on his name? Does anyone have a good explanation for this? I can probably assume that he has the tag there in exchange for travel accommodations. ALSO, GUS is giving his statement right now on the stream twitch.tv/csntv
EDIT: He completely avoided addressing any of the issues brought against his organization, except that he is "sorry that he couldn't live up to IGN's standards"
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On November 08 2011 20:01 jsemmens wrote:
Hey, on their stream right now, SEN was playing with an AZK tag on his name? Does anyone have a good explanation for this? I can probably assume that he has the tag there in exchange for travel accommodations. ALSO, GUS is giving his statement right now on the stream twitch.tv/csntv
They're playing on SEA server and most of the pros don't have accounts there so they're using AZK accounts.
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Yes, but most tournaments use overlays that have the players' normal IDs on them because they wouldn't want to suggest that the players were switching teams or something. They included the AZK tags in the overlays.
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On November 08 2011 20:01 jsemmens wrote:
Hey, on their stream right now, SEN was playing with an AZK tag on his name? Does anyone have a good explanation for this? I can probably assume that he has the tag there in exchange for travel accommodations. ALSO, GUS is giving his statement right now on the stream twitch.tv/csntv
EDIT: He completely avoided addressing any of the issues brought against his organization, except that he is "sorry that he couldn't live up to IGN's standards"
He also made a note of saying he thought they still managed to "pull it off" so he clearly lives in another plane of reality
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On November 08 2011 20:06 jsemmens wrote:
Yes, but most tournaments use overlays that have the players' normal IDs on them because they wouldn't want to suggest that the players were switching teams or something. They included the AZK tags in the overlays.
Actually, they did do that for the sen/mc match, guess somebody got too lazy/was too tired to do it for the next match. Anyway, let's just try to enjoy the games If Rachel/Tastosis/staff can deal with all the shit there and still keep it positive, why not us who are just watching?
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On November 08 2011 17:48 NipponBanzai wrote:Lol so the mods in the chat went a little ban crazy.
That was people just typing message deleted....
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even dota tournament in malaysia/singapore and vietnam 4 years ago is not this rotten... Im calling for a ban for major philippine events hosted by AZK for the next 1 year...
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On November 08 2011 20:10 jackdaleaper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 20:06 jsemmens wrote:
Yes, but most tournaments use overlays that have the players' normal IDs on them because they wouldn't want to suggest that the players were switching teams or something. They included the AZK tags in the overlays. Actually, they did do that for the sen/mc match, guess somebody got too lazy/was too tired to do it for the next match. Anyway, let's just try to enjoy the games If Rachel/Tastosis/staff can deal with all the shit there and still keep it positive, why not us who are just watching?
Not hating, but all of them don't have a choice because they are contracted to do it; while I think boycotting is one of the most civil ways to protest.
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On November 08 2011 20:52 Zraf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 20:10 jackdaleaper wrote:On November 08 2011 20:06 jsemmens wrote:
Yes, but most tournaments use overlays that have the players' normal IDs on them because they wouldn't want to suggest that the players were switching teams or something. They included the AZK tags in the overlays. Actually, they did do that for the sen/mc match, guess somebody got too lazy/was too tired to do it for the next match. Anyway, let's just try to enjoy the games If Rachel/Tastosis/staff can deal with all the shit there and still keep it positive, why not us who are just watching? Not hating, but all of them don't have a choice because they are contracted to do it; while I think boycotting is one of the most civil ways to protest.
Even though they're contracted to hype the event, it still takes some major effort to not go completely ballistic and just bail out but instead try to make things work amidst all the complaints and hate. Maybe I just don't have high standards but after all the fuck ups yesterday I'm just glad I got a watchable (for me) stream today and got to see some good games. I agree on the boycott part though, this is the last AZK run event that I'll be watching in a while.
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I feel really, really sorry for all the players and organisations that got completely and totally screwed over by AZK. The fact that they cancelled the Cube player's flight in what seems to be a petty move to deny a rival Filipino clan from getting any exposure speaks volume about their character and integrity. The same thing goes for YoonYJ, as soon as TArga wasn't able to attend it seems that AZK took the opportunity to recoup some money and not follow through on what they were contracted to do. I haven't watched the tournament in light of these revelations (along with the evidence of poor organisation and production quality). I hope that the international community essentially Blacklists AZK and its organisers from competing or organising future events. International teams should decline future invitations and not participate in future qualifiers etc.
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As a Filipino myself, this embarrassing display from our community truly saddens me, and the actions of Gus sicken me. Unfortunately, the getting ahead of others at whatever cost mentality is still prevalent here, especially in politics. The younger generation is changing, but I guess this guy doesn't want to.
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On November 08 2011 21:18 Mariella wrote:
As a Filipino myself, this embarrassing display from our community truly saddens me, and the actions of Gus sicken me. Unfortunately, the getting ahead of others at whatever cost mentality is still prevalent here, especially in politics. The younger generation is changing, but I guess this guy doesn't want to.
I know what you mean. While I am not trying to say that Indonesia and the Philippines (or many, many others for that matter) are the same, there are undeniable similarities in that overwhelming attitude to get ahead at any cost by screwing over everyone else. It's incredible frustrating to have to deal with (my girlfriend is from Indonesia and I go there regularly) this attitude which permeates society from top to bottom. For example, in Jakarta if you want to park your car on the street someone will come up and start telling you how to get into the spot and directing you into a spot whether you want (or need it) or not. They expect to get paid as well whether or not you needed their help. And the kicker is that if you don't pay them they will scratch or damage your car for it. It's not that they ask for a lot of money, more so it is the way if which you are forced into this agreement. That's just one example.
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I demand, IPL 5 SEA qualifier to be in Australia and handled by Dox. I also demand the event to not be held next to Cinnabuns and Sobarros.
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Wow this was sickening to read.
Blizzard took responsibility to license tournaments for quality control - I think it's time for them to act.
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He sounds like ur typical narcissist. Deformed ventral medial pre-frontal cortex cuz his parents didn't pay any attention to him in his first 4 years of life.
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Thank you for taking the time put this all together and for letting everyone know the facts. I think we can all agree that a lot of hardworking well-meaning people were taken advantage of by one unsavory individual, and our community will not tolorate such blatant unprofessionalism.
This agression will not stand, man.
I'm talking about a line in the sand, dude.
across this line, you do not...
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A pro sc2 team with koreans based in the phillippines.... how is that not sketchy?
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Great blog, a shame that you got screwed over by some of the typical people that ruin the progress of esports for everyone else. To be honest from your post, it sounds like they should've had you running the event!
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Is there anything IGN could do to sue those guys ?
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I'd like to see the money get returned to S2, and for AZK to never see the light of E-sports again... He put himself above the community, and forever ruined the name of his clan, I feel bad for any decent members in his clan... What a waste.
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On November 08 2011 23:34 EricCartman wrote:
A pro sc2 team with koreans based in the phillippines.... how is that not sketchy?
Imagine a pro sc2 team with koreans based in Brazil...EVEN SKETCHIER. LOL.
I don't see the sketchiness, enlighten me. The Philippines have legit dota teams and a growing E-sports scene. Gus is sketchy, don't generalize.
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This all sounds too familiar.. CXG anyone?
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really wonder what is going to happen to the players. and Sickness. doesn't seem like it's their fault at all, but with the azk clan name stuck to them during this time, no matter how brief, their personal reputation would have taken a huge hit.
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Justice shall be done.
This is not over... "GUS"
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As of now, Only SC2 can chase Gus for the money. For the other sponsors? It is up to them to make an investigation and prove that their sponsorship money were in fact used for other things...lets say personal gain? It is really an effed up world the thing about events organizing where the head can get away with so much and the fans will suffer for it.
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This sucks, I hope everyone who was fucked over by this gets some sort of compensation, if not at least take it as a good learning experience. I think it's fair to say that Gus and team AZK won't be taken seriously ever again whilst trying to run an esports tournament.
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The more information that is coming out the worse it is getting the worse its getting, I hope something is done about him.
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Disgusting. Hard to read all of this.
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On November 08 2011 20:11 Za7oX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 17:48 NipponBanzai wrote:Lol so the mods in the chat went a little ban crazy. That was people just typing message deleted....
Granted it ended up like that but it started with them banning pretty much anyone who said anything. Ironically, I got a 10 min ban for saying "people are just typing in <message deleted>".
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Just to let you guys have an insight on what's happening here.
The ones apologizing (in the pinoy forums) for this tragedy are the azk MEMBERS. I can't seem to find a post or even a comment from Gus. We really empathize with the members because they did Gus' dirty job VOLUNTARILY/WHOLE-HEARTEDLY thinking that this would be a breakout for Philippine Esports (Gus' plans were not discussed with the members, he kept it to himself.) but apparently, their efforts were wasted. Not all AZK members are bad people, some of them really tried to promote Esports in their own little way. Some of them were just dragged into this mess, and some didn't even want to participate.
One man fvcked up, many suffered. Now I wonder how long will it take for him to have the guts to atleast explain this himself.
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End of the day, it goes to show you really need experienced project managers and leaders. Not anyone can pull off an event, despite well-meaning (in this case its less certain) intentions.
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I remember how this was awkward about AZK and viOlet a while ago. Not surprising how badly this thing turned out.
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On November 09 2011 01:13 CloudCat wrote:
really wonder what is going to happen to the players. and Sickness. doesn't seem like it's their fault at all, but with the azk clan name stuck to them during this time, no matter how brief, their personal reputation would have taken a huge hit.
Not only that man, they might be contractually bound to AZK. Meaning they won't be able to quit the team now even if they want to.
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On November 08 2011 14:28 Zraf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 14:17 Modeath wrote:
Will this conman face legal ramifications? can he be charged and jailed for fraud? I wanna see his ass get like 40 lashes or w/e his country does to common scum. Team azk should also be permanently banned from all events worldwide and all players should be given a chance to publically apoligize and leave AZK or else be banned too. A conman in the Philippines with a little bit of cash usually just gets away with stuff like this. I think its up to the community to sanction them, as any legal action wouldn't be processed in time in this country before Starcraft 20 is released.
the worst part about all this is, Gus will just go into hiding and within a certain period of time, all this will be forgotten and swept away. He'll just start up a new clan name and repeat this travesty all over again.
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Not that it's any consolation, but 5/5. I'd definitely refer anyone to this post for probably the best summary of the entire situation
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On November 09 2011 14:35 Coruscant wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 01:13 CloudCat wrote:
really wonder what is going to happen to the players. and Sickness. doesn't seem like it's their fault at all, but with the azk clan name stuck to them during this time, no matter how brief, their personal reputation would have taken a huge hit. Not only that man, they might be contractually bound to AZK. Meaning they won't be able to quit the team now even if they want to.
If a player really doesn't want to play for your team, there's nothing you can do, to be honest. I think the ones who want to get out will be fine.
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Unbelievable. Thanks for the up to date reporting and honest assessment bro. Know you've been working hard on this and sucks to see you and everybody else get the complete and utter shaft.
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Thank you for this, everything seems more clear.
My god this is a tragedy .__.
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Please lock this guy up and throw away the key.
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This is very damaging to e-sports in SEA as a whole. I hope affected parties, especially IPL will take legal action against these scum.
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Okay just an update, this is really quite serious. I know it was announced several hours ago that Gus was on his way to the hotel to sort things out, but the travel expenses are still outstanding.
This is a message from Amanda who is possibly facing jail if this is not resolved imminently:
I issued a total of php 715,000 worth of tickets. 200,000 has been paid, so the outstanding debt is close to php 516,000. Told gunrun already and like im really hoping people in the community can help as being jailed is a possibility for me. I am connected to a travel agency that is why.
This needs to be RESOLVED before someone goes to jail.
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Wow, Gus. Get your shit together and sort this out <_<
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Holy shit Gus, PAY YOUR BILLS YOU USELESS MAN!
:S Or you scam artist, whichever you prefer.
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I posted this tweet just before leaving the office tonight... arrive home to find them celebrating:
![[image loading]](http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/twittercelebrate.png)
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Please, keep us informed by editing your post the same way you're doing it right now.
This is... well... hurting eSport, and I'm a bit anxious with what will befall on Amanda...
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Gus leading the way? What a joke.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz People are ridiculous.
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what an atrocious set of circumstances....unbelievable.
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Gus or whatever sure lead them to the BIGGEST SCAM of SC2 History....
Punk Bitch must be brought to trial !
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So not only was the tournament rigged every step of the way, but people could go to jail. Some people.
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This may not mean much but I would like to say that from my position as a NA outsider, this situation only reflects poorly on Gus. I know that these events will harm future events and sponsorship dollars but as a fan I will continue to support the SEA eSports community as a viewer.
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Great Blog, keep it updated!
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any updates on amanda's situation?
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I really hope this is discussed on sotg
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Any way I can donate money to Amanda without going through the PPSL or having the money squandered by Gus. Would love to help, just don't know where to go.
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On November 10 2011 03:26 VPreboot wrote:
Any way I can donate money to Amanda without going through the PPSL or having the money squandered by Gus. Would love to help, just don't know where to go.
I believe GunRun is still with her, i'd maybe try getting in touch with him somehow, perhaps via. twitch.tv - I'm sure he's got his hands full right now though, so
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LMAO so apparently "leading the way" includes showing up late to the venue while everyone else picks up your slack? bwahahahahahahaha
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Is there a donation fund to help yet? Let's try and help this poor women out
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lesson learned for future sponsors: If you have no clue how eSports in SEA works, dont touch it.
Fuck i really want/hope that amanda could get out of her situation
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can it be that the two facebook sites of gus and teamazk are unavailable? I cannot access them.
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On November 10 2011 07:13 JustPassingBy wrote:
can it be that the two facebook sites of gus and teamazk are unavailable? I cannot access them.
Word is that they are deleted.
I'd propose a donation link to help out Amanda, since Gus is a douchenozzle and probably won't be doing shit about any of this...nothing makes me angrier than someone who pushes all their fuckups onto another person who doesn't deserve it.
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On November 10 2011 06:47 NB wrote:lesson learned for future sponsors: If you have no clue how eSports in SEA works, dont touch it. Fuck i really want/hope that amanda could get out of her situation
He knew how it worked he just wanted to abuse it.
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So, how can we help? Somewhere to donate?
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I don't want to be misinterpreted by this post.
I am in no way, soliciting for any donation on behalf of my fellow staff who got screwed over.
I just want to share that most of the discussions by the community is on the facebook page "StarcraftPH"
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I've been in touch with Amanda via Skype and Facebook to try and assist with reaching a solution. Unfortunately I'm headed to the airport currently to collect a friend who has flown in to stay with me for a few days, and then I'm headed to a concert tonight, so I'll be out of touch for a bit.
Amanda has ~10 days or so to come up with the money, so let's keep our fingers crossed for now.
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omg this shit sucks more and more a single stupid/bad person can do so freaking much damage
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@Dox - will you be out for a day?
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hope amanda doesn't get thrown in jail :/
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On November 10 2011 09:14 Dox wrote:
I've been in touch with Amanda via Skype and Facebook to try and assist with reaching a solution. Unfortunately I'm headed to the airport currently to collect a friend who has flown in to stay with me for a few days, and then I'm headed to a concert tonight, so I'll be out of touch for a bit.
Amanda has ~10 days or so to come up with the money, so let's keep our fingers crossed for now.
Do we know if Gus actually has the money to pay the airline? Not that if he is going to pay, but that is he even able to pay?
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HAHAHA LOL Gus says he can't get onto Lo3 because he has "no mike" and cant make promises to reschedule;
DJWheat says now goal to get him on no matter how long
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Somehow, I find it hard to leave, it's been 3 hours since he tweet to slasher.
He should have been ready by now.
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The only goal should be to get that 7k back and then bury his ass in a shallow grave on the side of the road.
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On November 10 2011 09:56 psyq wrote:
Somehow, I find it hard to leave, it's been 3 hours since he tweet to slasher.
He should have been ready by now.
he contact slasher like a half hour ago. he said he can't get on the show because he doesn't have a mic
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You know, I might just be paranoid but I'd be rather weary about giving money to Amanda digitally. What if Gus ends up getting the money somehow? The guy is such a shady person I wouldn't be surprised if he tried something like that but then again, it seems like he might not be smart enough.
LoL yeah, I'm high actually, sorry. No way he could control all of the money sent for Amanda. Still, he might get SOME of it and even that would be WAY too much.
Also, in IGN's latest message to the community, I found the part where the said they were going to "work hard to determine where to allocate the remaning funds" kinda vague. If there really is a $12,000 outstanding airline bill, then can't IGN just send the remaning 7K directly to the airline or airlines??
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On November 10 2011 16:10 ins(out)side wrote:
You know, I might just be paranoid but I'd be rather weary about giving money to Amanda digitally. What if Gus ends up getting the money somehow? The guy is such a shady person I wouldn't be surprised if he tried something like that but then again, it seems like he might not be smart enough.
LoL yeah, I'm high actually, sorry. No way he could control all of the money sent for Amanda. Still, he might get SOME of it and even that would be WAY too much.
Also, in IGN's latest message to the community, I found the part where the said they were going to "work hard to determine where to allocate the remaning funds" kinda vague. If there really is a $12,000 outstanding airline bill, then can't IGN just send the remaning 7K directly to the airline or airlines??
I said it on other thread and will say it over here too if amanda goes to jail I no longer support IGN in anything. They sponsored this tourney without fully vetting the person running it and now someone could go to jail. They should be atleast moral enough to help.
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Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now.
Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing.
View this spoiler to read the conversation.
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Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now.
I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice.
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Wow.. jail time is just..
Can't believe Yjoon said he'd forgive GUS
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On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Show nested quote +Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice.
So you're the guy who made the brackets! You want to explain what happened with the brackets? . First question, why were there no azk players who went with each other, and why Enderr was placed with mc and mkp on the same bracket. Please answer
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Gus is the guy who should be on Jail. Force him to pay what he owes.
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As effed up this is, as sad as this is, disgusting and terrible, if Amanda signed for those tickets in her own name, with no other form of signed agreement with someone else that they will reimburse the money etc. then I cant see how this will end up well for her.
What country, court or laws, will put aside the fact that HER name is on it, and go on her spoken word good faith agreement with someone that seems to be worming himself like a snake...
Its sad for her personally and for the entire e-sports scene. We cant really blame the sponsors who must feel a bit robbed aswell, for thinking twice about putting money and their own names/rep into events again...
Amanda, I hope things works out for you. I really do. You seem to be a kind person wanting to help out and work for the good of esports. You shouldnt have signed it on your own name. Regardless if we wanna belive the best in others and that they'll hold true to agreements, you gotto make sure you got your back covered.
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It amazes me that this guy was so much of a douche for so long and people put up with it. I guess it was in the name of trying to grow ESPORTS and the SEA people, but still...
I hope they nail this ass to the wall for everything.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 17:08 ProLagger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. So you're the guy who made the brackets! You want to explain what happened with the brackets? . First question, why were there no azk players who went with each other, and why Enderr was placed with mc and mkp on the same bracket. Please answer
I updated them in the event, but I did not create them. I'm only a writer.
+ Show Spoiler +EDIT3: So after looking at the brackets after the group stages had been played out, I noticed they were using a pretty standard format. Seed #1 from Group A plays Seed #2 from Group H. Seed #1 from Group B plays Seed #2 from Group G. Seed #1 from Group C plays Seed #2 from Group F. And so forth. But then I refreshed and the brackets had been changed. + Show Spoiler [Original Brackets] ++ Show Spoiler [Adjusted Brackets] +EDIT4: I'm told by someone at the event that the brackets were re-generated for some reason by pulling names out of a hat. Mystery solved!
That was my fault. I had seen a Ro16 bracket somewhere that seemed legit when I woke up for day 2, so I put it in. When I got back to the venue, the implored me to remove them because someone (most likely oGsTheWind) demanded that they draw lots to determine the bracket. Hence, the second one. Honest mistake on my part.
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"The happenings within the past week are a disappointment for Filipino gamers, the gaming community and e-sports in general. This was a great opportunity for the country to further progress globally through e-sports and it was lost through a series of miscommunication and mismanagement. We empathize with the players and the fans who were deeply disappointed with the quality of the event.
The facts may be all laid out but we are not in a position to pass judgement. We leave that task to the proper figures and hope that justice be served. We only hope to further develop e-sports for our country and regain what was lost. This event will not be the end and we will rebuild on it and be stronger as we learn from the mistakes.
We would also like to recognize those who stepped up in the time of chaos and along with the spirit of the gaming community, soldiered on to see the end of the event to the best of their abilities. They are unsung heroes who were also unjustly blamed for the actions of one. Through them we see that the community acting as one and we hope to see this as show of true strength and solidarity.
A fire has been lit beneath us. We will let it grow to be a flame and show the world that Philippine e-sports is made not by one man, but one country."
- Mineski International Inc.
Source: http://www.mineski.net/news/952/a-statement-from-mineski
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On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Show nested quote +Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice.
Oh well, interesting.
So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right?
Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite.
Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that?
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that?
In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it.
I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible.
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So guys I just read this.. Prettyt bad and shocking to hear and worst of all this amanda person seems to received the worst punishment of all. If the OP or someone that is in contact with her or him can start a new thread for donations to pay up the missing funds so she wont face jail time..
GOOGOG DO itt... unless its already been done.. whats da link to donate?
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On November 10 2011 23:21 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that? In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it. I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible.
Well, a screenshot of the second one could be interesting to actually know for sure if he was talking about the one that you already showed or the second one.
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Thanks for this blog. I can't help but read all the posts on this subject with a smile of pure astonishment.
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On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that?
Yeah, I don't really understand why anything Dox said about the LP entry fiasco is even remotely true. It was a friendly, polite conversation as opposed to "abrupt, blunt" and "angry". Also at no point in that conversation did they ask him to take down the page because it was "take the spotlight away". The request seemed entirely reasonable. I don't really buy that there's confusion with some other conversation because Dox could just as easily rehash his memory by looking at the logs. It's understandable though to twist in some bias given what he had to go through with this whole debacle. Still, I would really like an explanation from Dox on this matter.
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well his team might as well die now, nobody should ever respect him or AZK in the future. Let's run this rat out of town, he has no place in our community. C'ya dork.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 00:09 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 23:21 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that? In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it. I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible. Well, a screenshot of the second one could be interesting to actually know for sure if he was talking about the one that you already showed or the second one.
Alright then, here's the second conversation.
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If I did seem blunt and impolite there, please tell me. I really don't know where I went wrong there.
I don't intend to make his post here any less true pertaining to his concerns with Gus, but there was no need to paint me as an accomplice to villainy. Not making me look like a part of this treachery will not make his argument less convincing, so I do wish to know why he would respond in such a way. I hope that we can all come to an understanding here. I'm not angry with Dox at all, but I want to avoid getting mixed up in this mess. I really was just doing my job.
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On November 11 2011 01:26 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 00:09 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 23:21 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that? In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it. I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible. Well, a screenshot of the second one could be interesting to actually know for sure if he was talking about the one that you already showed or the second one. Alright then, here's the second conversation. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +If I did seem blunt and impolite there, please tell me. I really don't know where I went wrong there. I don't intend to make his post here any less true pertaining to his concerns with Gus, but there was no need to paint me as an accomplice to villainy. Not making me look like a part of this treachery will not make his argument less convincing, so I do wish to know why he would respond in such a way. I hope that we can all come to an understanding here. I'm not angry with Dox at all, but I want to avoid getting mixed up in this mess. I really was just doing my job.
Hmm...yeah, so it seems like Dox had a reason for what he said based on this conversation. At least the part about taking spotlight. He should have been very careful to separate you from Gus though. You made it extremely apparent in your (polite) conversation that you were only trying to do your job. You were actually trying to be diplomatic and trying to keep Gus from throwing a shit fit in the direction of Dox.
Dox should rectify the wording on his post to not make it seem like you were an accomplish. As far as I can tell you were just trying to do your job without getting anyone angry.
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On November 11 2011 02:17 garbanzo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 01:26 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 00:09 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 23:21 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that? In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it. I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible. Well, a screenshot of the second one could be interesting to actually know for sure if he was talking about the one that you already showed or the second one. Alright then, here's the second conversation. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +If I did seem blunt and impolite there, please tell me. I really don't know where I went wrong there. I don't intend to make his post here any less true pertaining to his concerns with Gus, but there was no need to paint me as an accomplice to villainy. Not making me look like a part of this treachery will not make his argument less convincing, so I do wish to know why he would respond in such a way. I hope that we can all come to an understanding here. I'm not angry with Dox at all, but I want to avoid getting mixed up in this mess. I really was just doing my job. Hmm...yeah, so it seems like Dox had a reason for what he said based on this conversation. At least the part about taking spotlight. He should have been very careful to separate you from Gus though. You made it extremely apparent in your (polite) conversation that you were only trying to do your job. You were actually trying to be diplomatic and trying to keep Gus from throwing a shit fit in the direction of Dox. Dox should rectify the wording on his post to not make it seem like you were an accomplish. As far as I can tell you were just trying to do your job without getting anyone angry.
Well, turns out that that the fact brought by Dox was still wrong, anyway.
"Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now."
The only thing remotely true is that "Gus was furious" and even that is exagerated...
If Dox is lying about that... How can we know that he is not lying for anything else?
Making up thing to make it looks worse will get this shit no where...
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is the issue solved? if she still needs help where can we raise money? would like to give something.
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On November 11 2011 02:41 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:17 garbanzo wrote:On November 11 2011 01:26 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 00:09 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 23:21 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that? In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it. I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible. Well, a screenshot of the second one could be interesting to actually know for sure if he was talking about the one that you already showed or the second one. Alright then, here's the second conversation. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +If I did seem blunt and impolite there, please tell me. I really don't know where I went wrong there. I don't intend to make his post here any less true pertaining to his concerns with Gus, but there was no need to paint me as an accomplice to villainy. Not making me look like a part of this treachery will not make his argument less convincing, so I do wish to know why he would respond in such a way. I hope that we can all come to an understanding here. I'm not angry with Dox at all, but I want to avoid getting mixed up in this mess. I really was just doing my job. Hmm...yeah, so it seems like Dox had a reason for what he said based on this conversation. At least the part about taking spotlight. He should have been very careful to separate you from Gus though. You made it extremely apparent in your (polite) conversation that you were only trying to do your job. You were actually trying to be diplomatic and trying to keep Gus from throwing a shit fit in the direction of Dox. Dox should rectify the wording on his post to not make it seem like you were an accomplish. As far as I can tell you were just trying to do your job without getting anyone angry. Well, turns out that that the fact brought by Dox was still wrong, anyway.
"Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now."The only thing remotely true is that "Gus was furious" and even that is exagerated... If Dox is lying about that... How can we know that he is not lying for anything else? Making up thing to make it looks worse will get this shit no where...
The plot thickens!
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On November 11 2011 02:41 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:17 garbanzo wrote:On November 11 2011 01:26 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 00:09 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 23:21 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that? In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it. I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible. Well, a screenshot of the second one could be interesting to actually know for sure if he was talking about the one that you already showed or the second one. Alright then, here's the second conversation. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +If I did seem blunt and impolite there, please tell me. I really don't know where I went wrong there. I don't intend to make his post here any less true pertaining to his concerns with Gus, but there was no need to paint me as an accomplice to villainy. Not making me look like a part of this treachery will not make his argument less convincing, so I do wish to know why he would respond in such a way. I hope that we can all come to an understanding here. I'm not angry with Dox at all, but I want to avoid getting mixed up in this mess. I really was just doing my job. Hmm...yeah, so it seems like Dox had a reason for what he said based on this conversation. At least the part about taking spotlight. He should have been very careful to separate you from Gus though. You made it extremely apparent in your (polite) conversation that you were only trying to do your job. You were actually trying to be diplomatic and trying to keep Gus from throwing a shit fit in the direction of Dox. Dox should rectify the wording on his post to not make it seem like you were an accomplish. As far as I can tell you were just trying to do your job without getting anyone angry. Well, turns out that that the fact brought by Dox was still wrong, anyway.
"Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now."The only thing remotely true is that "Gus was furious" and even that is exagerated... If Dox is lying about that... How can we know that he is not lying for anything else? Making up thing to make it looks worse will get this shit no where...
Well, no, most of what Dox said is true. Avoider contacted him, Blahz0r made a page for him, Gus was furious because he felt like Dox was taking the spotlight away from him, etc.
The only real discrepancy is if Avoider was actually angry. Seems to me that Avoider was trying to come across as professional but Dox took it as blunt and perhaps haughty. It's easy to see how big a writing style difference there is between what Dox says and what Avoider says. Seriously, I don't think there is any real problem here. It's just something where cultural differences, personal differences, and the problems with conveying emotion over text has created a general misunderstanding.
I think all we can really take from this portion of the drama is that Gus is known to fly off the proverbial handle for perceived slights against him.
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On November 11 2011 08:46 Avalain wrote:
I think all we can really take from this portion of the drama is that Gus is known to fly off the proverbial handle for perceived slights against him.
nvrmd: misread
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On November 11 2011 08:46 Avalain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:41 Xalorian wrote:On November 11 2011 02:17 garbanzo wrote:On November 11 2011 01:26 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 00:09 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 23:21 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that? In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it. I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible. Well, a screenshot of the second one could be interesting to actually know for sure if he was talking about the one that you already showed or the second one. Alright then, here's the second conversation. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +If I did seem blunt and impolite there, please tell me. I really don't know where I went wrong there. I don't intend to make his post here any less true pertaining to his concerns with Gus, but there was no need to paint me as an accomplice to villainy. Not making me look like a part of this treachery will not make his argument less convincing, so I do wish to know why he would respond in such a way. I hope that we can all come to an understanding here. I'm not angry with Dox at all, but I want to avoid getting mixed up in this mess. I really was just doing my job. Hmm...yeah, so it seems like Dox had a reason for what he said based on this conversation. At least the part about taking spotlight. He should have been very careful to separate you from Gus though. You made it extremely apparent in your (polite) conversation that you were only trying to do your job. You were actually trying to be diplomatic and trying to keep Gus from throwing a shit fit in the direction of Dox. Dox should rectify the wording on his post to not make it seem like you were an accomplish. As far as I can tell you were just trying to do your job without getting anyone angry. Well, turns out that that the fact brought by Dox was still wrong, anyway.
"Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now."The only thing remotely true is that "Gus was furious" and even that is exagerated... If Dox is lying about that... How can we know that he is not lying for anything else? Making up thing to make it looks worse will get this shit no where... Well, no, most of what Dox said is true. Avoider contacted him, Blahz0r made a page for him, Gus was furious because he felt like Dox was taking the spotlight away from him, etc. The only real discrepancy is if Avoider was actually angry. Seems to me that Avoider was trying to come across as professional but Dox took it as blunt and perhaps haughty. It's easy to see how big a writing style difference there is between what Dox says and what Avoider says. Seriously, I don't think there is any real problem here. It's just something where cultural differences, personal differences, and the problems with conveying emotion over text has created a general misunderstanding. I think all we can really take from this portion of the drama is that Gus is known to fly off the proverbial handle for perceived slights against him.
Well... ok... fine with me.
But Dox should edit the first page. Avoider don't need to be badly portrayed since he did absolutly nothing wrong and was just... professional. He was even gentle and polite in is request.
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Sorry for the lack of responses - my last post said I was picking a friend up from the airport and then heading to a concert. Now I'm at a friends wedding, posting from my phone. Tomorrow I'll be at a music festival all day, so I won't be at a keyboard until Sunday afternoon at best. Just taking the time to post now because people were texting me saying I was being called a liar repeatedly.
I'll need to resume in the next post, phone browser is being weird.
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Ugh. Just lost my whole post TWICE. TL forums aren't mobile friendly when trying to write long posts. I promise to clarify and edit the OP first chance I get.
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On November 11 2011 12:32 Dox wrote:
Sorry for the lack of responses - my last post said I was picking a friend up from the airport and then heading to a concert. Now I'm at a friends wedding, posting from my phone. Tomorrow I'll be at a music festival all day, so I won't be at a keyboard until Sunday afternoon at best. Just taking the time to post now because people were texting me saying I was being called a liar repeatedly.
I'll need to resume in the next post, phone browser is being weird.
lol any chance you are going to the kpop festival dox?
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I don't feel like reading through all the pages, but where is this 12k coming from? I don't recall plane tickets being that expensive o.0
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On November 11 2011 15:10 ranshaked wrote:
I don't feel like reading through all the pages, but where is this 12k coming from? I don't recall plane tickets being that expensive o.0
Probably food/hotels/tournament money? I mean I have no idea... Just guessing.
That's A LOT of money. I feel bad for people that were actually working with that crew.
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On November 11 2011 13:30 kKagari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 12:32 Dox wrote:
Sorry for the lack of responses - my last post said I was picking a friend up from the airport and then heading to a concert. Now I'm at a friends wedding, posting from my phone. Tomorrow I'll be at a music festival all day, so I won't be at a keyboard until Sunday afternoon at best. Just taking the time to post now because people were texting me saying I was being called a liar repeatedly.
I'll need to resume in the next post, phone browser is being weird.
lol any chance you are going to the kpop festival dox?
No, Harvest Festival Melbourne.
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On November 08 2011 09:59 Dox wrote:This is a message from Amanda who is possibly facing jail if this is not resolved imminently: Show nested quote +I issued a total of php 715,000 worth of tickets. 200,000 has been paid, so the outstanding debt is close to php 516,000. Told gunrun already and like im really hoping people in the community can help as being jailed is a possibility for me. I am connected to a travel agency that is why. This needs to be RESOLVED before someone goes to jail.
That's approx 12 000 USD :S
Gus definitely needs to be brought to justice. This might be a wild suggestion (plus all the info we're reading about this case comes from a game forum), but is there a possibility of donations to cover the potholes for the moment? Again, this is a pretty wild suggestion; but I love Starcraft 2 so much, and small individually insignificant amounts of money might keep a woman out of jail if pooled together.
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seriously why havnt the cops taken gus already...
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i just want to clear some things, so if dox "lied" about Gus being angry, spotlight taken away blah blah and all that stuff, will that pay the UNDENIABLY big debt of him? Let us remember that Dox is the 3rd party in the YYJ and Gus case, YYJ is still not compensated per se.
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On November 16 2011 12:20 7thseal wrote:
i just want to clear some things, so if dox "lied" about Gus being angry, spotlight taken away blah blah and all that stuff, will that pay the UNDENIABLY big debt of him? Let us remember that Dox is the 3rd party in the YYJ and Gus case, YYJ is still not compensated per se.
Perhaps that wasn't really the "lie" per se, but me being angry during our correspondence prior to the event is. Dox hasn't clarified that detail in the OP yet, despite saying that he will during the last weekend. I'm making a bit of a stink about it since I got mentioned by name in such a negative light.
I believe that Dox does have a right to be angry about this, and I'm alright with it. But getting me into the mess while I was only doing my job is definitely not necessary. It doesn't enhance his argument one bit, but blemishes it. If I wasn't mentioned in such a fashion, I wouldn't be complaining here at all.
Perhaps he really is busy, but this does seem worthy enough of his attention. He made the OP, after all.
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I've watched the interview in CSInsider. Dox, I accept your apology.
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Funny detail:
The AZK profile page on Facebook has been removed.
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so what happened with this? did gus get caught? did amanda pay off the bill?
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