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On November 11 2011 02:41 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:17 garbanzo wrote:On November 11 2011 01:26 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 00:09 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 23:21 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that? In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it. I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible. Well, a screenshot of the second one could be interesting to actually know for sure if he was talking about the one that you already showed or the second one. Alright then, here's the second conversation. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +If I did seem blunt and impolite there, please tell me. I really don't know where I went wrong there. I don't intend to make his post here any less true pertaining to his concerns with Gus, but there was no need to paint me as an accomplice to villainy. Not making me look like a part of this treachery will not make his argument less convincing, so I do wish to know why he would respond in such a way. I hope that we can all come to an understanding here. I'm not angry with Dox at all, but I want to avoid getting mixed up in this mess. I really was just doing my job. Hmm...yeah, so it seems like Dox had a reason for what he said based on this conversation. At least the part about taking spotlight. He should have been very careful to separate you from Gus though. You made it extremely apparent in your (polite) conversation that you were only trying to do your job. You were actually trying to be diplomatic and trying to keep Gus from throwing a shit fit in the direction of Dox. Dox should rectify the wording on his post to not make it seem like you were an accomplish. As far as I can tell you were just trying to do your job without getting anyone angry. Well, turns out that that the fact brought by Dox was still wrong, anyway.
"Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now."The only thing remotely true is that "Gus was furious" and even that is exagerated... If Dox is lying about that... How can we know that he is not lying for anything else? Making up thing to make it looks worse will get this shit no where...
The plot thickens!
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On November 11 2011 02:41 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:17 garbanzo wrote:On November 11 2011 01:26 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 00:09 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 23:21 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that? In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it. I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible. Well, a screenshot of the second one could be interesting to actually know for sure if he was talking about the one that you already showed or the second one. Alright then, here's the second conversation. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +If I did seem blunt and impolite there, please tell me. I really don't know where I went wrong there. I don't intend to make his post here any less true pertaining to his concerns with Gus, but there was no need to paint me as an accomplice to villainy. Not making me look like a part of this treachery will not make his argument less convincing, so I do wish to know why he would respond in such a way. I hope that we can all come to an understanding here. I'm not angry with Dox at all, but I want to avoid getting mixed up in this mess. I really was just doing my job. Hmm...yeah, so it seems like Dox had a reason for what he said based on this conversation. At least the part about taking spotlight. He should have been very careful to separate you from Gus though. You made it extremely apparent in your (polite) conversation that you were only trying to do your job. You were actually trying to be diplomatic and trying to keep Gus from throwing a shit fit in the direction of Dox. Dox should rectify the wording on his post to not make it seem like you were an accomplish. As far as I can tell you were just trying to do your job without getting anyone angry. Well, turns out that that the fact brought by Dox was still wrong, anyway.
"Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now."The only thing remotely true is that "Gus was furious" and even that is exagerated... If Dox is lying about that... How can we know that he is not lying for anything else? Making up thing to make it looks worse will get this shit no where...
Well, no, most of what Dox said is true. Avoider contacted him, Blahz0r made a page for him, Gus was furious because he felt like Dox was taking the spotlight away from him, etc.
The only real discrepancy is if Avoider was actually angry. Seems to me that Avoider was trying to come across as professional but Dox took it as blunt and perhaps haughty. It's easy to see how big a writing style difference there is between what Dox says and what Avoider says. Seriously, I don't think there is any real problem here. It's just something where cultural differences, personal differences, and the problems with conveying emotion over text has created a general misunderstanding.
I think all we can really take from this portion of the drama is that Gus is known to fly off the proverbial handle for perceived slights against him.
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On November 11 2011 08:46 Avalain wrote:
I think all we can really take from this portion of the drama is that Gus is known to fly off the proverbial handle for perceived slights against him.
nvrmd: misread
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On November 11 2011 08:46 Avalain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 02:41 Xalorian wrote:On November 11 2011 02:17 garbanzo wrote:On November 11 2011 01:26 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 11 2011 00:09 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 23:21 avoiderdragon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 21:58 Xalorian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 16:21 avoiderdragon wrote:Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now. Greetings. My name is Sonny Go, and I am the writer and content manager for Team AZK. I was also the guy who sat beside TheGunrun during the event, doing online updates. I just want to inform the public that I was not "extremely angry", but was merely doing my job. I don't think that my messages were blunt in the very least. I did my best to come off as polite and formal as possible through the whole thing. View this spoiler to read the conversation. + Show Spoiler +Hopefully, I didn't reveal anything there that isn't supposed to be seen by others. I didn't want to resort to posting something here in order to clear things up, but I've thought about it and even messaged Dox in Skype and in this website, but I haven't gotten a reply for two hours now. I have no personal loyalties to Gus as I only met him like two months ago or so after getting picked up as a writer for the team. However, I will do my job as long as I'm their writer. Whether I stay or leave Team AZK is my decision alone. For now, I hope that I've clarified things enough. That event was my first direct involvement in esports and I wish to get more involved in this wonderful scene, but this fiasco has gotten me thinking twice. Oh well, interesting. So if i'm not mistaken... this is the said conversation between sunny and Dox, right? Who is lieing there? How was this skype conversation any way near blunt/angry? He never talked about Gus, either, and was very polite. Wtf Dox...? Why would you lie about something like that? In his defense though, he got screwed pretty bad. Maybe his reaction here is with the conversation I had with him the next day pertaining to the thread on the event in SC2SEA, but I still tried to be as polite as I can be to him. I did talk about Gus in that one, but still being careful not to offend Dox at all. Perhaps through that careful language, I did come off as some douche. I can produce a screenshot of that conversation too if you wish to see it. I swear that I try to be as professional as possible with correspondence of such nature. I have no idea how anyone can view me as blunt and disrespectful. Abrupt perhaps, but always as respectful as possible. Well, a screenshot of the second one could be interesting to actually know for sure if he was talking about the one that you already showed or the second one. Alright then, here's the second conversation. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +If I did seem blunt and impolite there, please tell me. I really don't know where I went wrong there. I don't intend to make his post here any less true pertaining to his concerns with Gus, but there was no need to paint me as an accomplice to villainy. Not making me look like a part of this treachery will not make his argument less convincing, so I do wish to know why he would respond in such a way. I hope that we can all come to an understanding here. I'm not angry with Dox at all, but I want to avoid getting mixed up in this mess. I really was just doing my job. Hmm...yeah, so it seems like Dox had a reason for what he said based on this conversation. At least the part about taking spotlight. He should have been very careful to separate you from Gus though. You made it extremely apparent in your (polite) conversation that you were only trying to do your job. You were actually trying to be diplomatic and trying to keep Gus from throwing a shit fit in the direction of Dox. Dox should rectify the wording on his post to not make it seem like you were an accomplish. As far as I can tell you were just trying to do your job without getting anyone angry. Well, turns out that that the fact brought by Dox was still wrong, anyway.
"Half way through the Australian qualifiers, I received some abrupt, blunt messages from someone who identified himself as Sonny (AZK.Avoider) Go. He was extremely angry about the Liquipedia page that Blahz0r made for me (out of the kindness of his own heart, seriously, someone shower that guy in love and respect <3) because he felt that I was taking the spotlight away from Team AZK and misleading people into thinking that this was my tournament. I clarified that the very first sentence on the page explained that it was an Australian qualifier for the Pacific event hosted by AZK, but he asked me to take the page down, so that they could replace it with their own. He explained that Gus was furious, and eventually the Australian Qualifier was integrated with the parent IPL4 page, as you see it now."The only thing remotely true is that "Gus was furious" and even that is exagerated... If Dox is lying about that... How can we know that he is not lying for anything else? Making up thing to make it looks worse will get this shit no where... Well, no, most of what Dox said is true. Avoider contacted him, Blahz0r made a page for him, Gus was furious because he felt like Dox was taking the spotlight away from him, etc. The only real discrepancy is if Avoider was actually angry. Seems to me that Avoider was trying to come across as professional but Dox took it as blunt and perhaps haughty. It's easy to see how big a writing style difference there is between what Dox says and what Avoider says. Seriously, I don't think there is any real problem here. It's just something where cultural differences, personal differences, and the problems with conveying emotion over text has created a general misunderstanding. I think all we can really take from this portion of the drama is that Gus is known to fly off the proverbial handle for perceived slights against him.
Well... ok... fine with me.
But Dox should edit the first page. Avoider don't need to be badly portrayed since he did absolutly nothing wrong and was just... professional. He was even gentle and polite in is request.
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Sorry for the lack of responses - my last post said I was picking a friend up from the airport and then heading to a concert. Now I'm at a friends wedding, posting from my phone. Tomorrow I'll be at a music festival all day, so I won't be at a keyboard until Sunday afternoon at best. Just taking the time to post now because people were texting me saying I was being called a liar repeatedly.
I'll need to resume in the next post, phone browser is being weird.
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Ugh. Just lost my whole post TWICE. TL forums aren't mobile friendly when trying to write long posts. I promise to clarify and edit the OP first chance I get.
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On November 11 2011 12:32 Dox wrote:
Sorry for the lack of responses - my last post said I was picking a friend up from the airport and then heading to a concert. Now I'm at a friends wedding, posting from my phone. Tomorrow I'll be at a music festival all day, so I won't be at a keyboard until Sunday afternoon at best. Just taking the time to post now because people were texting me saying I was being called a liar repeatedly.
I'll need to resume in the next post, phone browser is being weird.
lol any chance you are going to the kpop festival dox?
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I don't feel like reading through all the pages, but where is this 12k coming from? I don't recall plane tickets being that expensive o.0
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On November 11 2011 15:10 ranshaked wrote:
I don't feel like reading through all the pages, but where is this 12k coming from? I don't recall plane tickets being that expensive o.0
Probably food/hotels/tournament money? I mean I have no idea... Just guessing.
That's A LOT of money. I feel bad for people that were actually working with that crew.
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On November 11 2011 13:30 kKagari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 12:32 Dox wrote:
Sorry for the lack of responses - my last post said I was picking a friend up from the airport and then heading to a concert. Now I'm at a friends wedding, posting from my phone. Tomorrow I'll be at a music festival all day, so I won't be at a keyboard until Sunday afternoon at best. Just taking the time to post now because people were texting me saying I was being called a liar repeatedly.
I'll need to resume in the next post, phone browser is being weird.
lol any chance you are going to the kpop festival dox?
No, Harvest Festival Melbourne.
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On November 08 2011 09:59 Dox wrote:This is a message from Amanda who is possibly facing jail if this is not resolved imminently: Show nested quote +I issued a total of php 715,000 worth of tickets. 200,000 has been paid, so the outstanding debt is close to php 516,000. Told gunrun already and like im really hoping people in the community can help as being jailed is a possibility for me. I am connected to a travel agency that is why. This needs to be RESOLVED before someone goes to jail.
That's approx 12 000 USD :S
Gus definitely needs to be brought to justice. This might be a wild suggestion (plus all the info we're reading about this case comes from a game forum), but is there a possibility of donations to cover the potholes for the moment? Again, this is a pretty wild suggestion; but I love Starcraft 2 so much, and small individually insignificant amounts of money might keep a woman out of jail if pooled together.
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seriously why havnt the cops taken gus already...
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i just want to clear some things, so if dox "lied" about Gus being angry, spotlight taken away blah blah and all that stuff, will that pay the UNDENIABLY big debt of him? Let us remember that Dox is the 3rd party in the YYJ and Gus case, YYJ is still not compensated per se.
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On November 16 2011 12:20 7thseal wrote:
i just want to clear some things, so if dox "lied" about Gus being angry, spotlight taken away blah blah and all that stuff, will that pay the UNDENIABLY big debt of him? Let us remember that Dox is the 3rd party in the YYJ and Gus case, YYJ is still not compensated per se.
Perhaps that wasn't really the "lie" per se, but me being angry during our correspondence prior to the event is. Dox hasn't clarified that detail in the OP yet, despite saying that he will during the last weekend. I'm making a bit of a stink about it since I got mentioned by name in such a negative light.
I believe that Dox does have a right to be angry about this, and I'm alright with it. But getting me into the mess while I was only doing my job is definitely not necessary. It doesn't enhance his argument one bit, but blemishes it. If I wasn't mentioned in such a fashion, I wouldn't be complaining here at all.
Perhaps he really is busy, but this does seem worthy enough of his attention. He made the OP, after all.
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I've watched the interview in CSInsider. Dox, I accept your apology.
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Funny detail:
The AZK profile page on Facebook has been removed.
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so what happened with this? did gus get caught? did amanda pay off the bill?
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