EPTSC2 & Politics - Page 8
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Kar98
Australia924 Posts
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On April 01 2011 10:32 Kar98 wrote: Out of place to make a comment like that IMO. It was a charity event set up by GOM for Japan and MKP had to make a political statement really? this was a charity for Japan? outoffuckingplace like WHAT | ||
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Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
I am pretty sure international sporting competitions such as the Olympics have rules for the player to not voice this kind of opinion on live air at the cost of the tournament's TV time. The player should, and can do whatever he wants though when he is on his on free time. In other words he should've posted it on his cyworld/blog or whatever instead of pissing off Japanese GOM TV viewers. Also wow, ya this was done FOR Japan as a charity event, is he fucking stupid? | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
 Obviously the team can sanction that if they don't accept it, or GomTV to avoid issues with their company, but as long as its acknowledge to be the views of the person alone, they can say whatever they want. | ||
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SilverJohnny
United States885 Posts
On April 01 2011 10:51 Hatsu wrote: Newsflash: the tournament was not done for Japan as a charity event -_- but all the streams and VoDs are free and they are taking donations for the Japanese Red Cross... It may have been out of place, but I think it gives character to ESPORTS. We all know and love IdrA for his various BM and out of game antics, there's no reason why it should be disallowed. If GOM makes a rule saying "no political messages as ceremonies" that's fine, but if they don't have that rule in place and Progamers want to make political statements then why not? gives character to the game imo. | ||
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Terrakin
United States1440 Posts
On April 01 2011 10:51 Hatsu wrote: Newsflash: the tournament was not done for Japan as a charity event -_- can you explain why there is a donation page on gomtv with almost 20k usd now? GOM didn't have to do this, GOM could've just made the world championship just like any other gom 5$ with ad's and 10$. However they made vods and hq live free to urge people to donate, and hell its working pretty nicely. | ||
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Drubael
25 Posts
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Spazer
Canada8028 Posts
In addition, what sort of precedent does this set? Is it still okay if we see signs for polarizing issues such as "abortion is murder"? All this does is create needless animosity among viewers. If you're going to do something like this, do it on your own time as a private citizen. Edit: What is this "sc2 council"? Are they the new kespa or something? | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On April 01 2011 10:56 SilverJohnny wrote: but all the streams and VoDs are free and they are taking donations for the Japanese Red Cross... Sure thing, but for all we know they might have been free to begin with. Also, as stated, MKP's message indeed gains strength because of the context: he is making his statement while playing in a tournament that encourages donations for Japan. I also find it ridiculous to read claims such as "Also finish college first as well before venting your political opinion on TV, nobody is interested in the political opinions of someone who is not even that experienced and educated in life". Now you need a college degree to voice your opinion? | ||
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SilverJohnny
United States885 Posts
On April 01 2011 11:11 Hatsu wrote: Sure thing, but for all we know they might have been free to begin with. Also, as stated, MKP's message indeed gains strength because of the context: he is making his statement while playing in a tournament that encourages donations for Japan. I also find it ridiculous to read claims such as "Also finish college first as well before venting your political opinion on TV, nobody is interested in the political opinions of someone who is not even that experienced and educated in life". Now you need a college degree to voice your opinion? no, I'm pretty sure they explicitly stated that they made it free and were accepting donations specifically because of Japan. at any rate, It really isn't that big of a deal, now we all just happen to know MKP's view on this, big whoop. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On April 01 2011 11:07 Drubael wrote: I don't know, but maybe it's just me. I sense more nationalism than politics in something like this. It's not like the two countries can vote together on it or anything, in fact, if I recall correctly, protests were held over it and it didn't, and couldn't have had, any impact over the islands. I voted no, but who knows? Maybe we might have Idra rocking out a Palin 2012 hat or something this year. you're getting internal politics confused with international politics, i think | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On April 01 2011 11:14 SilverJohnny wrote: no, I'm pretty sure they explicitly stated that they made it free and were accepting donations specifically because of Japan. What they stated is irrelevant. We will never know, really. The point I am making is that it was not a charity event. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On April 01 2011 11:11 Hatsu wrote: Sure thing, but for all we know they might have been free to begin with. Also, as stated, MKP's message indeed gains strength because of the context: he is making his statement while playing in a tournament that encourages donations for Japan. I also find it ridiculous to read claims such as "Also finish college first as well before venting your political opinion on TV, nobody is interested in the political opinions of someone who is not even that experienced and educated in life". Now you need a college degree to voice your opinion? i wouldn't characterize the timing of his statement as "strong", but more controversial. i can't say how explicit it was that this was a "charity event", but so far it doesn't sound like it was a full fledged fund raising donation to japan deal (i can't really comment since i didn't watch it). MKP is a pretty young dude, unless he's really hit the books and studied the history of the Dokdo Islets and the drama between his country and Japan, then he should be a LOT more reserved about his political beliefs on the matter. something tells me that his gosu skills didn't come from hours of book study - tryin not to hate, maybe it's the japanese in me. | ||
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Oxymoron
Canada137 Posts
Also, I noticed that the sign is in English, which leads me to believe that the message as aimed not towards Korea or Japan, but to the rest of the world. This is a world championship tournament after all, and I assume his goal was to spread awareness of this issue. Judging by this thread, MKP had been quite successful. Good job. | ||
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S.O.L.I.D.
United States792 Posts
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Terrakin
United States1440 Posts
On April 01 2011 11:16 Hatsu wrote: What they stated is irrelevant. We will never know, really. The point I am making is that it was not a charity event. what are you talking about? Why would they have been free to begin with? Has ANY sc2 gom league been free so far? And no, you do NOT need a college degree to voice your opinion, but the problem is that this is not MKP's opinion, he has been playing scbw and sc2 pretty much all of his life, all of his opinions are based off what his friends, hyungs, relatives tell him. also this is just my opinion, which is very possible of being wrong. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
Also that's kinda in bad taste, Japan's still having trouble about the earthquake (well at least rebuilding), and then a progamer goes and says HURR HURR "THAT BLAHBLAH LAND IS OURS" isn't...wat ('-') or at least if you have that opinion, putting it in that environment isn't the best place to express that. On April 01 2011 11:26 Oxymoron wrote: Have any of you ever considered that Korea feels "betrayed" by Japan's claim that the islands belong to them? They have donated an enormous amount to money to Japan for the recent earthquakes, only to have Japanese textbooks claim their territory in return. Also, I noticed that the sign is in English, which leads me to believe that the message as aimed not towards Korea or Japan, but to the rest of the world. This is a world championship tournament after all, and I assume his goal was to spread awareness of this issue. Judging by this thread, MKP had been quite successful. Good job. the territory is 1) disputed, so you can't say that korea is right about this either. 2) you realize the textbooks were written before this donation and before the earthquake........ right? | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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