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sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 13:13:52
March 31 2011 10:46 GMT
#1
Mod Edit:
On March 31 2011 22:05 GTR wrote:
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Korea's SC2 Council and Stance on Dokdo (Korean)


So in Ro16 of the GSL World Championship MarineKing made a statement saying Dokudo Island belongs to Korea. Now the island is a disputed territory between Japan and Korea, however it has been and is currently under Korean administration. Recently the Japanese put in the textbook that the island belongs to Japan. MarineKing pulled a sign saying Dakudo is Korean(not direct quote). People seem to disagree whatever or not political statements have place in e-sports, in fact the discussion got a little heated, however it wasn't in the right place (LR threads aren't about that and shouldn't be used as such).

So what is your opinion on the matter?

Poll: Do political messages have place in e-Sport?

No (595)
 
60%

I don't care (233)
 
24%

Yes (160)
 
16%

988 total votes

Your vote: Do political messages have place in e-Sport?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): I don't care



+ Show Spoiler +

This is the poll from the thread, please don't vote.
Poll: Should progamers be allowed to make political statements in SC2?

Yes (129)
 
69%

No (52)
 
28%

Normaly yes, but considering the occasion... (7)
 
4%

188 total votes

Your vote: Should progamers be allowed to make political statements in SC2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): Normaly yes, but considering the occasion...
(Vote): No


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Sazchu
Profile Joined April 2007
Iceland489 Posts
March 31 2011 10:50 GMT
#2
There should never in any sport, e-sports or otherwise be any political messages, they do not belong there and any competitor cought showing political messages should be fined or punished accordingly.
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
March 31 2011 10:51 GMT
#3
yes,why not, hes just expressing his thougths .. or do u just want a little robot who can play a game ?
furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 10:54:56
March 31 2011 10:53 GMT
#4
Sure, that players able to express their own opinion might sounds like a good idea.

However if you look from the point of view of sports and esports, political messages not only stir up unnecessary controversy, it take the focus away from the event itself. By permiting and supporting poltical message in the event will just result massive arugments. It will ruin viewerships as some people simply don't want to see it.

If you want to promote sportsmanship, you want to make the enviroument comfortable for everyone.

So I think they should keep it in their personal blog, tweet whatever and not in the event itself.
Leenock the Punisher
scatmango2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States408 Posts
March 31 2011 10:53 GMT
#5
All it accomplishes is the polarization of your audience which is counterproductive in a competitive atmosphere which is purely for entertainment to begin with. /thread
munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 11:01:37
March 31 2011 10:55 GMT
#6
There shouldn't be room for politics in e-sports, but that doesn't mean that competitors shouldn't be able to bring up politics. American sports players bring up religion in interviews all the time, cross themselves on camera, etc., which is kind of similar.

Edit: to elaborate a little bit, it's the responsibility of the tournament organizers to think of the audience. Since the audience is there for entertainment and not politics, there should be no explicit political purpose to an e-sports event. (As others have said, sports events are used for political purposes all the time... I just don't want to see it happen to starcraft). The players are there to entertain their fans, but just as importantly to give expression to their own skills and ideas. So I think it is reasonable that they be allowed to express their own ideas (within reason). If they want to flash a political message, it should be up to them. Giving someone time to make a long political speech after a match would be going too far.
Serendipicus
Profile Joined August 2010
United States90 Posts
March 31 2011 10:57 GMT
#7
Politics can get very ugly, Why stain this wonderful international community we are building with it?
Can I ask you a question?
SolC361
Profile Joined July 2010
United States184 Posts
March 31 2011 10:59 GMT
#8
Keep it out, it has no place in e-sports.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
March 31 2011 11:00 GMT
#9
Keep that stuff to your own personal webpages/blogs/twitter whatever source you have for personal use. Bringing it up in the middle of your job is just classless and shouldn't happen. Then again cultural differences and whatnot, I don't know how things are over there so maybe it's normal for them to do such in which case who am I to tell them otherwise.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
March 31 2011 11:03 GMT
#10
MKP is entitled to his opinion, but it's rather counterproductive for him to make an anti-Japan statement in a tournament that's trying to raise donations for the Japan relief fund (although MKP may not be aware of that). People may bring up Son Gi Jeong or the 1968 Olympics black power salute, but those people actually suffered from imperial tyranny and racism. MKP is a 17 year old kid who likely has never been to or even seen the Dokudo islands. Furthermore, he's just a progamer. What exactly is he trying to accomplish? When hollywood stars make political statements, they (some) back it up by making monetary donations to organizations they support or acting as ambassadors. What did MKP accomplish? He got a bunch of nerds like me on TL who will have 0 influence on Korea-Japan relations talking about it. Congratulations.
munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
March 31 2011 11:07 GMT
#11
On March 31 2011 20:03 red4ce wrote:
MKP is entitled to his opinion, but it's rather counterproductive for him to make an anti-Japan statement in a tournament that's trying to raise donations for the Japan relief fund (although MKP may not be aware of that).


I think that may be part of the point; he knows that they are raising donations, and he wants to say, hey, I don't think we should be regarding Japan as neighbours. I don't agree with this sentiment at all, but it is not exactly uncommon in the countries that fought with Japan in WWII. Shortly after the quake, someone collected a page of facebook comments that Americans had made, saying stuff like "It's payback for Pearl Harbor". An ugly sentiment, but if you don't allow people to talk about politics, you never get a chance to argue against it either.
TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
March 31 2011 11:09 GMT
#12
I'm split down the middle. I mean, they can do whatever they want. Think of it as propaganda, Superbowl Commercial style (propaganda carries a negative connotation, but America has it everywhere as well. Don't think of it as Dictatorship-Style, "OBEY!!!" propaganda. Think of it more of a, "Wuddup, America? We're awesome.").
But why would you want to? Because:
On March 31 2011 19:53 scatmango2 wrote:
All it accomplishes is the polarization of your audience which is counterproductive in a competitive atmosphere which is purely for entertainment to begin with. /thread

A person willing to die for a cause is a hero. A person willing to kill for a cause is a madman
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
March 31 2011 11:15 GMT
#13
On March 31 2011 20:07 munchmunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:03 red4ce wrote:
MKP is entitled to his opinion, but it's rather counterproductive for him to make an anti-Japan statement in a tournament that's trying to raise donations for the Japan relief fund (although MKP may not be aware of that).


I think that may be part of the point; he knows that they are raising donations, and he wants to say, hey, I don't think we should be regarding Japan as neighbours. I don't agree with this sentiment at all, but it is not exactly uncommon in the countries that fought with Japan in WWII. Shortly after the quake, someone collected a page of facebook comments that Americans had made, saying stuff like "It's payback for Pearl Harbor". An ugly sentiment, but if you don't allow people to talk about politics, you never get a chance to argue against it either.


Interesting point, I hadn't thought of it that way. I really hope MKP isn't that kind of person.
Cain0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom608 Posts
March 31 2011 11:18 GMT
#14
Yes, its not as if a government is going to listen to a sports person anyways, they can express their political views if they please.
Celadan
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 11:30:36
March 31 2011 11:28 GMT
#15
As an anarchist who loves SC2, NO
Political theorists are messed up as they are....
спеціальна Тактика
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
March 31 2011 11:32 GMT
#16
You mean, SC2 progamers doing stuff similar to what Kozakiewicz did back in '80 to show disrespect for USSR?

Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
sqrt
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1210 Posts
March 31 2011 11:33 GMT
#17
On March 31 2011 20:15 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 20:07 munchmunch wrote:
On March 31 2011 20:03 red4ce wrote:
MKP is entitled to his opinion, but it's rather counterproductive for him to make an anti-Japan statement in a tournament that's trying to raise donations for the Japan relief fund (although MKP may not be aware of that).


I think that may be part of the point; he knows that they are raising donations, and he wants to say, hey, I don't think we should be regarding Japan as neighbours. I don't agree with this sentiment at all, but it is not exactly uncommon in the countries that fought with Japan in WWII. Shortly after the quake, someone collected a page of facebook comments that Americans had made, saying stuff like "It's payback for Pearl Harbor". An ugly sentiment, but if you don't allow people to talk about politics, you never get a chance to argue against it either.


Interesting point, I hadn't thought of it that way. I really hope MKP isn't that kind of person.


He isn't, as part of a country that is having territorial disputes myself, I can tell you that he is probably pissed about the political decision of the J. prime minister and doesn't have anything against Japanese or the initiative he is taking part in. Probably emotions running high.
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Zechs
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom321 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 11:49:24
March 31 2011 11:48 GMT
#18
Sorry to break it to the 'no' voters, but sport and politics are historically insperable. There are countless examples of this kind of thing, and esports is no different, nor should it be IMO. Why? Sport, and to a lesser extent esport, is a powerful medium watched by millions of people worldwide - what better platform to put a message across?

This even has precedant in esports, as WC3 fans should know. During WCG Seattle Fly100% and Sky actually got onstage to attack a competitor who waved a Taiwanese flag. It happens, and is a sign of esports growing up IMO. It means more than just a bunch of nerds playing games now.
Esports and stuff: zechleton.tumblr.com
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2748 Posts
March 31 2011 11:53 GMT
#19
Many things take place in the political arena which shouldnt take place there (bribery, fraud, lies), therefore it would be naive to ban political actions outside the political arena. It's a lot like saying cheezing is bad. Don't hate the player, hate the game. You can't make up the rules, they are already there.
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
March 31 2011 11:57 GMT
#20
They can have opinion, they can express it, but not in an event where people go to watch sport.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
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