EPTBut MKP showing this sign with the whole charity for Japan being plugged and being part of the tournament showed really poor sense of timing on the part of MKP.
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[SuNdae]
Finland323 Posts
But MKP showing this sign with the whole charity for Japan being plugged and being part of the tournament showed really poor sense of timing on the part of MKP. | ||
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Aristodemus
England1993 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44597 Posts
On March 31 2011 20:59 0meg4 wrote: So many ignorant statements, obviously it have place in e-sports too, i hope i dont see someone say that not even in music should have politics. You don't think it'd be a little awkward if an American gamer was in a SC2 booth and held up a Palin 2012 sign as he was getting ready? I understand the sponsors and endorsements that teams and players get, but it would just seem out of place if the person became political inside of the booth. Outside of the game, he can obviously do whatever the heck he wants. But that's just my opinion. I assume he's free to do what he wants when it comes to making gestures and having signs in the booth. I just want to focus on StarCraft when I watch StarCraft  | ||
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Terrakin
United States1440 Posts
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
You are right, there have not been that many statements in sports yet. To name a few: During the cold war, sportsman representing european countries made political statements all the time. When Tommie Smith and John Carlos won gold/bronze at the olympics in 1968, they raised their hand for the black power salute. They were then banned from the olympics. What does it have to do with sportsmanship if there are driving issues and you cant talk about them ? Hell they didnt even talk. Thy olympics of 1980 were boycotted by the U.S. and many other countries. I would say that is a political statement in sports. Do some of the U.S. citizens know this man - Albert Pujols ? As far as I could understand it, he is right there on the politics train. Or Carlos Delgado in 2004 when he said that he would "no longer stand" for "god bless america" for he thought that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were "the stupidest wars ever". What about the Phoenix Suns who change their jerseys to "Los Suns" to protest against the Arizona Immigration Law. What about Muhammad Ali who refused to fight in the vietnam war ? And as I understand, a lot of ex-sport stars run for political office in the U.S. . I refuse to believe that at the end of their career they just say :"Yup, gonna be a senator. Why not ?" - I guess this process has to start while they are in sports. (Kevin Johnson, NBA, Sacramento mayor and Heath Shuler, NFL, North Carolina congressional seat for example) | ||
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bobhund
Sweden364 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44597 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:34 bobhund wrote: Politics and sports of any kind does not belong together. If you as a player want to promote something political, do that in an "up close"-interview or something like that, were he is representing his personal him and not the professional him. I think that's a really good point. Unless your team is representing a political figure, you shouldn't be making political comments in your team uniform. That standard (of representing your team or business) applies almost universally. If you want to have opinions (or do something silly), do it when you're not in uniform, or else it'll reflect badly on your team, and you'll need to worry about the repercussions. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think what you're missing is that the repercussions of sports/esports are extremely minor for most people, whereas the repercussions of political action has a much more profound effect on society. So athletes know the tradeoff, and it obviously it still makes sense.I think that's a really good point. Unless your team is representing a political figure, you shouldn't be making political comments in your team uniform. That standard (of representing your team or business) applies almost universally. If you want to have opinions (or do something silly), do it when you're not in uniform, or else it'll reflect badly on your team, and you'll need to worry about the repercussions. I agree with Tufas completely. In fact, we already saw it in ESPORTS at WCG Seattle when the Taiwanese player used Taiwan's flag instead the flag of Chinese Taipei. And then they Chinese reporters at the event berated him and chased him to his hotel room. >.> So yes, I think defending your beliefs is quite important. | ||
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MichaelEU
Netherlands816 Posts
On March 31 2011 20:59 0meg4 wrote: So many ignorant statements, obviously it have place in e-sports too, i hope i dont see someone say that not even in music should have politics. It shouldn't. And I say that as a musician. I say that as a musician that is interested in politics. I love the discussion. I love music. Keep it separate. | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:48 MichaelEU wrote: It shouldn't. And I say that as a musician. I say that as a musician that is interested in politics. I love the discussion. I love music. Keep it separate. Please tell me that you are trolling .. or you make me really really sad  Why should there be no politics in music .. what ... explain Edit : Almost all of my favorite bands are political. They kind of have to be political to be my favorite bands. :/ | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:26 [SuNdae] wrote: I can't say I agree with politics having a place in esports. But MKP showing this sign with the whole charity for Japan being plugged and being part of the tournament showed really poor sense of timing on the part of MKP. This is exactly how i feel about the situation myself. The timing is the worst thing about this situation and the fact that it happened is another matter entirely. | ||
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accela
Greece314 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On March 31 2011 19:51 Carras wrote: yes,why not, hes just expressing his thougths .. or do u just want a little robot who can play a game ? Political discussion always devolves into a pretty dreadful discussion. I really don't care to hear any progamers views on anything political... ever... Kinda confused why anyone would want to hear it actually. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44597 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:47 Jibba wrote: I think what you're missing is that the repercussions of sports/esports are extremely minor for most people, whereas the repercussions of political action has a much more profound effect on society. So athletes know the tradeoff, and it obviously it still makes sense. Obviously, the passion that these figures have for their beliefs is admirable, and some of the causes they are fighting for are incredibly important. And I understand that they would advertise their beliefs on the biggest stage they can, so I understand why they would do it, if they care more about their opinions then their personal future. We're in agreement there. That being said, while I agree with you that some people are so passionate that they'll do anything for their politician (or whatever view they want to market), I think that most people think twice about personally advertising their opinions under the logo of their business, because they'd probably get fired from the heat it could bring the company. That's why these events are so controversial when they do arise; they're very uncommon. | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:53 starcraft911 wrote: Political discussion always devolves into a pretty dreadful discussion. I really don't care to hear any progamers views on anything political... ever... Kinda confused why anyone would want to hear it actually. Same for me. If i want to get news about politic, i've a dedicate tv show for that in my country, and a ton of web sites for internationnal politic. When i watch GSL, IEM, TSL3 or some european competitions, i want to see a good stacraft show, dont care of politics in that moment, specialy from 20 years old players... | ||
GTR
51478 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HZXYN.jpg) and apparently it was somewhat encouraged by korea's 'sc2 council' http://www.playxp.com/news/read.php?news_id=2719893 | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2578 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:00 Leporello wrote: It's a horrible precedent, and it should (and will) be condemned. Your point about the flag is completely moot. Politics is not the same as nationalism. On the international level, in an international competition, flag-waving and nationalism are completely legitimate. Like the Olympics, you're representing your country as it pertains to the competition at hand. You are not representing your country as an elected official in a political arena. Bringing up political issues is completely illegitimate. It has nothing to do with the sport, and it is insanely rude to your opponents. Especially if you tie your political statement to your victory -- you're basically insinuating that your opponent is somehow responsible for defending the opposing side of whatever political issue you're railing against. It's horrible sportsmanship, it's a poor way to treat politics and the sport, and I don't like that MKP pulled out that sign. He should absolutely apologize to Sen, his opponent that series. It also was counter-productive. It's not going to change the issue any, and may have lost MKP the respect of some of his fans. You are demonstrating a really disturbing level of ignorance here. Waving a Taiwanese flag is a political statement, as Taiwan's ownership is a matter of dispute between China and the Taiwanese government. It would be impossible for any Taiwanese person to engage in flag-waving and nationalism, whether they consider themselves Chinese or Taiwanese, without making a controversial political statement. I don't agree with MKP's choice to make a statement regarding this particular issue, but to say that his espousing an opinion regarding a territorial dispute between Korea and Japan is bad, but someone else's decision to espouse an opinion regarding a territorial dispute between China and Taiwan is just fine is just ridiculous. More generally to the point: Sport, like music, has been a forum for political discourse throughout history, and it's going to stay that way. Athletes have opinions just like everyone else, some of them very deeply felt, and if you put them in a forum with a very large audience, some of them are going to express them. It might be aggravating, but can you really say it's bad for people to take advantage of a podium their fame gives them to express a deeply felt belief? | ||
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MichaelEU
Netherlands816 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:50 Tufas wrote: Please tell me that you are trolling .. or you make me really really sad Why should there be no politics in music .. what ... explain Edit : Almost all of my favorite bands are political. They kind of have to be political to be my favorite bands. :/ I'm not trolling. If you're a fan of "political bands" you're not a fan of their music, but of their total image, their character, their sound, their image. I only care about the music, I don't buy into that shit that revolves around it. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 31 2011 20:57 shinarit wrote: They can have opinion, they can express it, but not in an event where people go to watch sport. Yes. I am by no means endorse KeSPA's censorship, but those comments by MKP were ill-advised and said in the wrong medium. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 31 2011 22:11 MichaelEU wrote: I'm not trolling. If you're a fan of "political bands" you're not a fan of their music, but of their total image, their character, their sound, their image. I only care about the music, I don't buy into that shit that revolves around it. The lyrics have an important meaning, instead of just being another love song. | ||
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