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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On March 31 2011 23:30 gongryong wrote: I would have agreed with these kind of statement if I didnt know the story. Before anyone is a progamer or a doctor or a bum, he is a person with immutable rights. And those rights are exactly what are being fought for here. Was it poor taste? Perhaps. But hey, I can swallow some poor taste over abuse of rights any day! May I recommend to those who don't know what's up here, please refrain from stirring this up. It's a controversial and explosive issue as it is. There is no need to quarterback it on an online community. Thanks. I do know the story behind it. I mean, I'm Korean and I keep up with the news. Yes, it should be worth protesting over. But protesting it during a middle of the match? Why would you do that, especially when all you're trying to do is buy in foreign sympathy? Why cheapen esports on the way of doing so? It's such a bad move and I think it's a terrible, terrible move to turn esports into a place of protest. I hope some japanese guy joins GSL and holds up a sign that says "Dokdo belongs to Japan" when he wins. It's the same fucking thing after all and that is the precedence you are setting when you allow this shit. | ||
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gongryong
Korea (South)1430 Posts
Torte de Lini Canada. March 31 2011 23:49 I feel everyone is entitled to their opinion, but there's a place and time for it. This was not it. When? During the interviews? Or on his way home when some random fan takes a picture with him? Mortality United States. March 31 2011 23:51 I don't know if there should be any kind of administrative body punishing players who make political statements, but I do think that it needs to be frowned upon. Political statements can potentially lead to segregation and is that the road we really want to take? What segregation are we talking about here? I agree with the post late in the previous page that MK is entitles to express his opinion, just as he (the poster) is entitled to say SC2 is not the venue for it. However, there has to be objective conditions to certain agreements and disagreements. The worst thing we could do is argue out of apathy or ignorance. | ||
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gongryong
Korea (South)1430 Posts
On March 31 2011 23:56 Milkis wrote: I do know the story behind it. I mean, I'm Korean and I keep up with the news. Yes, it should be worth protesting over. But protesting it during a middle of the match? Why would you do that, especially when all you're trying to do is buy in foreign sympathy? Why cheapen esports on the way of doing so? It's such a bad move and I think it's a terrible, terrible move to turn esports into a place of protest. I hope some japanese guy joins GSL and holds up a sign that says "Dokdo belongs to Japan" when he wins. It's the same fucking thing after all and that is the precedence you are setting when you allow this shit. Exactly my point. Lets leave it to the koreans and the japanese then. What are we doing here on an online forum discussing the "ethical" "political" aesthetics and propriety of such gestures. This is bourgeois obscurantism. Did that poster do anything to your progaming spectator experience beside hurt a vague feeling here or there? People have died because of that dispute. It's terrible as it is. | ||
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GrayGhost
United States72 Posts
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
On March 31 2011 23:56 Milkis wrote: I do know the story behind it. I mean, I'm Korean and I keep up with the news. Yes, it should be worth protesting over. But protesting it during a middle of the match? Why would you do that, especially when all you're trying to do is buy in foreign sympathy? Why cheapen esports on the way of doing so? It's such a bad move and I think it's a terrible, terrible move to turn esports into a place of protest. I hope some japanese guy joins GSL and holds up a sign that says "Dokdo belongs to Japan" when he wins. It's the same fucking thing after all and that is the precedence you are setting when you allow this shit. Wait, so you think it is terrible, but you hope someone does the same thing again just to get back at him? | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On March 31 2011 23:51 Mortality wrote: I don't know if there should be any kind of administrative body punishing players who make political statements, but I do think that it needs to be frowned upon. Political statements can potentially lead to segregation and is that the road we really want to take? Could you come up with a more slippery slope? | ||
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Milkis
5003 Posts
On April 01 2011 00:32 Treemonkeys wrote: Wait, so you think it is terrible, but you hope someone does the same thing again just to get back at him? The point is for a Korean it would take something like that to realize how retarded they were for putting up that sign in the first place | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
EDIT: Just saw the picture posted earlier in the thread. If anything it's quite tacky for what is a pretty serious discussion. Reminds me of Tebow and his bible verses on his face. On March 31 2011 21:47 Jibba wrote: In fact, we already saw it in ESPORTS at WCG Seattle when the Taiwanese player used Taiwan's flag instead the flag of Chinese Taipei. And then they Chinese reporters at the event berated him and chased him to his hotel room. >.> So yes, I think defending your beliefs is quite important. That's a different level of politics. The most important difference being that push came to shove, and the competitor had to make a decision between which flag to represent. In a situation like MKP's, he wasn't forced to make the sign or comment on the island at all. He just did it. Whether that's good or bad is up to you, but I believe the two situations are not comparable. | ||
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HadronCollid
Canada71 Posts
on a side note; doesn't the word for foreigner in Korean directly translate to "Not one of us"? One of my friends told me that, not sure if its true but.. ? | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
Imagine an athlete or esports athlete from a repressed country such as North Korea or Myanmar putting up signs asking for help or bringing up an issue that is unknown to the global public because of repression in the country. Or an athlete from a very poor country that is being bullied by its rich neighbour bringing up the issue in a global arena such as the GSL. A person with such fame and stature are the only representation of that poor country in the global arena and thus he is entitled to bring up politics. However, in the case of South Korea, there are a lot of medium in which to garner public interest and thus it feels inappropriate to bring it up in an esports competition. Sure it might get the attention of a few more people but at what cost. Would it be worth the distraction? Probably not. | ||
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deathserv
United States228 Posts
Sports exist in the real world, so political opinion is inextricable from it. | ||
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RJGooner
United States2076 Posts
On April 01 2011 00:58 deathserv wrote: I don't see how anyone can vote "no" here... There will always be political opinions held by players in any sport, and people should be able to express themselves accordingly. Additionally, the historical tension between Japan and Korea is historically very high due to past abuses by the Japanese, so I am not surprised that MKP would have a strong opinion on this issue. Sports exist in the real world, so political opinion is inextricable from it. No one is saying that people shouldn't be able to hold opinions, but a game booth or a sports arena is not the forum for political. Political talk has a tendency to stain anything it touches, let's leave it out of e-sports and sports in general. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
But announcing it to the world through a non-political medium is dumb. Just like religion. | ||
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hazelynut
United States2196 Posts
It does seem a little BM to put the comment on a public broadcast, though. | ||
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GG.NoRe
Korea (South)1051 Posts
On April 01 2011 01:12 aimaimaim wrote: Having political opinions are fine. Its just like religion. But announcing it to the world through a non-political medium is dumb. Just like religion. No wonder why you lived through 9 years of your president Gloraia Aroyo. People in Philipine are too apolitical and passive. In 2 years I studied English there, all hate their president, but do nothing about it. Sigh | ||
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sharky246
1197 Posts
On March 31 2011 23:56 Milkis wrote: I do know the story behind it. I mean, I'm Korean and I keep up with the news. Yes, it should be worth protesting over. But protesting it during a middle of the match? Why would you do that, especially when all you're trying to do is buy in foreign sympathy? Why cheapen esports on the way of doing so? It's such a bad move and I think it's a terrible, terrible move to turn esports into a place of protest. I hope some japanese guy joins GSL and holds up a sign that says "Dokdo belongs to Japan" when he wins. It's the same fucking thing after all and that is the precedence you are setting when you allow this shit. What exactly do you mean cheapen esports? And regarding what you posted about the sc2 council approving and endorsing, i was watching a bw game and i noticed a flashy sign on the top right corner of my screen saying "did you know? dokdo is korean territory"(in english) so i think this is a norm in korea (this was before the earthquake). | ||
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