EPTSC2 & Politics - Page 10
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On April 01 2011 11:50 Oxymoron wrote: http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ko&u=http://www.playxp.com/news/read.php?news_id=2719893&ei=_zyVTcWjI-nWiAKPhsmBCQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBsQ7gEwAA&prev=/search?q=http://www.playxp.com/news/read.php%3Fnews_id%3D2719893&hl=en&client=opera&hs=Owp&rls=en&channel=suggest&prmd=ivns Not MKP's decision. The Starcraft 2 Council in decided on it. Apparently all future progamers were supposed to hold up the sign, but I think MKP was the only one who did. Why is everyone ignoring this post? MKP was just doing what he was told, so you can't really place too much blame on him, honestly. When you're a professional SC2 player and a higher up organization demands you hold up that sign, you'd probably be inclined to listen (though I don't know why the other Korean players didn't do it) | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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Rashid
191 Posts
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LuciferSC
Canada535 Posts
On April 01 2011 15:37 xBillehx wrote: Wrong time because of the ongoing crisis in Japan right now but beside that I don't mind at all. Timing wise Korean Esports scene began doing their shout-out regarding Dokdo to the world not because Japan just had a natural disaster, but because Japan recently announced they will be officially putting on their 'Dokdo is Japanese territory' argument in their public education curriculum (in Elementary, junior high, etc) Koreans feel they are taking it too far. SC progamers have just about as much knowledge and credibility about politics as Mike Tyson, Shaq, or Ronaldinho. Just because someone's famous, it doesn't mean they have the credibility regarding anything outside of their expertise/profession. They're merely using their fame and access to mass media to freely speak of their opinions. Esports being smaller than other sports doesn't strip them of their right to do what they do in other sports. | ||
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Seditary
Australia7033 Posts
On April 01 2011 15:39 HolyArrow wrote: Why is everyone ignoring this post? MKP was just doing what he was told, so you can't really place too much blame on him, honestly. When you're a professional SC2 player and a higher up organization demands you hold up that sign, you'd probably be inclined to listen (though I don't know why the other Korean players didn't do it) So instead of MKP expressing his views, he's a 17 year old boy following the political agenda of someone else? That's even worse, if some organization controlling a large amount of players in a region decides to politicize their actions in sporting competitions it'll eventually stain the entire competition in the eyes of the viewers. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On April 01 2011 15:53 Rashid wrote: MarineKing, and SC progamers in general, have just about as much knowledge and credibility about politics as Mike Tyson, Shaq, or Ronaldinho. Who are those people anyways? | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On April 01 2011 16:10 Seditary wrote: So instead of MKP expressing his views, he's a 17 year old boy following the political agenda of someone else? That's even worse, if some organization controlling a large amount of players in a region decides to politicize their actions in sporting competitions it'll eventually stain the entire competition in the eyes of the viewers. You leave out key points. Yes, he's following the political agenda of someone else. That someone else happens to be the Starcraft 2 Council. I don't really know who they are or how much power they have over SC2 pros, but it doesn't sound like you'd want to disobey them (note this is all speculation, if the SC2 council is some lame organization that really has no real power then it's a totally different story) | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
The first one is the one who inspired M.Bison in Street Fighter 2, the second one is the guy in Shaq Fu. I don't know who that third one is. | ||
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
On March 31 2011 19:46 sqrt wrote: Recently the Japanese put in the textbook that the island belongs to Japan. Didn't the Japs also write in their textbooks that they never treated the Korean people like cattle during their occupation of Korea? -_-' | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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Baum
Germany1010 Posts
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On April 01 2011 17:30 Tatari wrote: Didn't the Japs also write in their textbooks that they never treated the Korean people like cattle during their occupation of Korea? -_-' they cut out the atrocities they commited in China/Japan, toned down WW2 to a "small conflict", and I believe they also cut out Pearl Harbor. Koreans in general have a general ill-will towards Japan not really because of the occupation, but how Japan is basically refusing to acknowledge that it happened and how they are trying to make it seem less than it really was. IMO Japan should just give up Dokdo, seeing as how they've never really apologized for WW2. Plus it's not like this is anything new. BW progamers have done the same thing, like Khan vs OGN PL finals where some guy wrote on TT's body that Dokdo is Khan territory, yet nobody really complained about that. I don't really see how MK is at fault for his political ceremony at all. Also, seriously, why are people so bothered about a sign w/ a political statement on it. Does it really bother you THAT much? And I thought people liked it when progamers aren't "one-dimensional" and have other interests other than "practicing all day long". | ||
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kochujang
Germany1226 Posts
On April 01 2011 18:34 ArvickHero wrote: they cut out the atrocities they commited in China/Japan, toned down WW2 to a "small conflict", and I believe they also cut out Pearl Harbor. Koreans in general have a general ill-will towards Japan not really because of the occupation, but how Japan is basically refusing to acknowledge that it happened and how they are trying to make it seem less than it really was. IMO Japan should just give up Dokdo, seeing as how they've never really apologized for WW2. Plus it's not like this is anything new. BW progamers have done the same thing, like Khan vs OGN PL finals where some guy wrote on TT's body that Dokdo is Khan territory, yet nobody really complained about that. I don't really see how MK is at fault for his political ceremony at all. Also, seriously, why are people so bothered about a sign w/ a political statement on it. Does it really bother you THAT much? And I thought people liked it when progamers aren't "one-dimensional" and have other interests other than "practicing all day long". I went into the MarineKing fanclub thread and read that he did a controversial ceremony. I was a bit worried about what it was. When I read this in this thread I kind of relaxed and thought "was that all?" I don't see any problems with this, especially regarding the Japanese arrogance on this issue. Some people say that the timing is bad. How can the timing be better than the moment the book is published? Because of the tragic catastrophe? Those issues are not related and the South Koreans are already showing their support for the victims. | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
I also don't think people in the US know about the strength of feeling held in Korea and Japan about these islands. This isn't something that can be ignored, it's not a little statement, a bit of a feeling. It's a nationalistic statement about disputed territory claimed by another country. What is far more worrying is the suggestion this was ordered to a number of Korean players - that doesn't worry you, that a group of players are being told to support a nationalistic agenda? Let's use an example a little more familiar - if he was Chinese and wrote 'Tibet is Chinese', would that be ok? How about if he was Palestinian, and had written 'Hamas forever, US is evil'. Appropriate for a sport? Of course not. Appropriate for an e-sport? Definitely not. A bit of an extreme example, but it's similar. As a caveat, I don't know who is in the right about the islands here - both countries seem to have decent claims to them. But the notion that Japan is downplaying things in their history books and fudging facts is, of course, deplorable and they should stop - things need to be studied by kids, especially when it doesn't reflect well on their country. It's the only way to stop it happening again. But saying that's a reason why Japan should lose the islands? C'mon, guys, that's a child's argument and an entirely different issue. | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On April 01 2011 11:33 Terrakin wrote: what are you talking about? Why would they have been free to begin with? Has ANY sc2 gom league been free so far? And no, you do NOT need a college degree to voice your opinion, but the problem is that this is not MKP's opinion, he has been playing scbw and sc2 pretty much all of his life, all of his opinions are based off what his friends, hyungs, relatives tell him. also this is just my opinion, which is very possible of being wrong. I am just saying that is not beyond the realm of possibility that they never intended for customers to pay for this. From a business perspective, the whole Japan thing is basically just a marketing endeavour. If they planned to make customers pay for this, they are giving up subscription money in exchange for a marketing gain, therefore the higher the amount of viewers expected the lower the chances that this is the case. Regarding MKP awareness: do not take his knowledge of the situation lightly. Yes, all he knows is from friends, relatives, media and books but so is true for the overwhelming majority of people. I know for a fact that, at the age of 16 and while not really studying hard at all, I was more politically/historically aware than many of the very educated adults I know now. So perhaps MKP actually knows and cares a lot about this. Again, we will never know, but I would rather not speculate too much and keep an open mind. | ||
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Uppsala
Sweden1 Post
![[image loading]](http://img543.imageshack.us/i/hzxyn.jpg/) Fixed ^^ EDIT: i cant get it to work.. http://img543.imageshack.us/i/hzxyn.jpg/ | ||
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gongryong
Korea (South)1430 Posts
On April 02 2011 00:47 Uppsala wrote: Fixed ^^ EDIT: i cant get it to work.. http://img543.imageshack.us/i/hzxyn.jpg/ wtf is that garbage | ||
HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
It's called quality. | ||
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whiterabb1t
Belgium681 Posts
On April 01 2011 17:18 MilesTeg wrote: The first one is the one who inspired M.Bison in Street Fighter 2, the second one is the guy in Shaq Fu. I don't know who that third one is. Ronaldinho is a character in a football video game! | ||
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