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On June 28 2010 23:15 Arrian wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 23:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:
What's wrong with the iPhone? Not sure what shitty students you know but every student I know who has an iPhone has made good use of it. I've never seen any of them try to appear cool for having an iPhone. I've also never seen an iPhone's battery fail to last through the day. But if it did fail to last through the day, it must have been getting a damn lot of use, like all day non-stop use, and so there goes any argument that it's not useful and is only there for the coolness factor. When they released the OS, many iPhones wouldn't download it. I know somebody whose iPhone was bricked by the new OS. I also don't like the fact that Apple locks their software to third party programs, which is their perrogative of course, but they void the warranty if you exercise fair use and unlock it to third party programs (i.e jailbreaking as it is known). No battery removal is an issue. Just like the upgrade issues with the computers, they require you to send (I actually don't know about the newest iPhone but I suspect that it's the same) in the phone to have them replace the battery. It's a battery replacement...it's simple and cheap for everyone else, why not for Apple too? Those are a few things that are undesirable about the iPhone. It was an innovation, but I don't understand why Apple can't play nice like everyone else, make their upgrading system usable and not detrimental, let you exercise fair use (same thing with their unlocking verification system with iTunes purchases), and let you replace the battery yourself and not charge you an arm and a leg for simple things. And maybe I'm old fashioned, but if your phone battery doesn't get you at least a few days, isn't that a bad thing to begin with? My phone battery gets me a week, and I use it frequently.
You're obviously not using a phone with an internet connection so why are you bitching about iPhones? It's apples and oranges to you.
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On June 28 2010 22:53 Xstatic wrote:
I think Apples are popular because they're simpler to use. College students don't want a hassle with their computer and would prefer to keep it as simple as possible.
Not directing this at you.
I feel this is the biggest bullshit fed to the populace by Apple. Their design may be slightly better than the older versions of Windows (pre-XP, and maybe Vista), but this is no longer the case, especially with Windows 7 beginning to gain popularity. Anyone who has ever used Windows for most of his life would tell you Apple is very difficult to use, and very "counter-intuitive". I worked on a Mac for about 4 months straight, and I would literally do the opposite of what I normally would do, and it would work on a Mac. Of course, Apple blames Microsoft for ruining our intuition, but guess what, Microsoft got the market first, they defined the word "intuitive" with regards to graphical user interface on PCs (and yes, a Mac is a fucking personal computer).
A Mac is not easier to use than a PC running Window. If you only limit yourself to what is available on a Mac, Windows is just as simple (aside from doing dev work and videos/graphics). The problem with Windows is that there are too many choices with regards to almost anything and everything, and people over-indulge themselves in the vast amount of options.
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Macs have problems with iCCup so I don't have one.
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my biggest issue with apple is that the retarded laptop only has one mouse button
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On June 28 2010 23:20 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Macs have problems with iCCup so I don't have one.
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Quoted for truth.
But honestly, to the average computer user that isn't heavy into gaming or graphic design and simply needs word processing and internet browsing capability, there really isn't a significant difference at all between a PC and a Mac, except for price.
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On June 28 2010 23:18 Eiserne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 23:15 Arrian wrote:On June 28 2010 23:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:
What's wrong with the iPhone? Not sure what shitty students you know but every student I know who has an iPhone has made good use of it. I've never seen any of them try to appear cool for having an iPhone. I've also never seen an iPhone's battery fail to last through the day. But if it did fail to last through the day, it must have been getting a damn lot of use, like all day non-stop use, and so there goes any argument that it's not useful and is only there for the coolness factor. When they released the OS, many iPhones wouldn't download it. I know somebody whose iPhone was bricked by the new OS. I also don't like the fact that Apple locks their software to third party programs, which is their perrogative of course, but they void the warranty if you exercise fair use and unlock it to third party programs (i.e jailbreaking as it is known). No battery removal is an issue. Just like the upgrade issues with the computers, they require you to send (I actually don't know about the newest iPhone but I suspect that it's the same) in the phone to have them replace the battery. It's a battery replacement...it's simple and cheap for everyone else, why not for Apple too? Those are a few things that are undesirable about the iPhone. It was an innovation, but I don't understand why Apple can't play nice like everyone else, make their upgrading system usable and not detrimental, let you exercise fair use (same thing with their unlocking verification system with iTunes purchases), and let you replace the battery yourself and not charge you an arm and a leg for simple things. And maybe I'm old fashioned, but if your phone battery doesn't get you at least a few days, isn't that a bad thing to begin with? My phone battery gets me a week, and I use it frequently. You're obviously not using a phone with an internet connection so why are you bitching about iPhones? It's apples and oranges to you.
Ooohh because what fun is life without complaining  !
But seriously. It's a blog. I had a thought that I felt was kind of interesting. Figured people would react to Apples vs. PCs, and the discussion would be interesting.
I don't have a problem with people using Apple products. You use whatever you want. Your needs might make Apple products better, especially for editing, which Macs are especially good at. I'm just pointing out that Apple's products are inferior in regards customization, depth, and service (the last one I suppose is mostly my experience). If you love Apple, that's cool. I bear you no ill will. I bear Apple ill will, however.
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I dont like ipods : ( and all their other products are not in my price range
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On June 28 2010 23:18 Eiserne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2010 23:15 Arrian wrote:On June 28 2010 23:01 Liquid`NonY wrote:
What's wrong with the iPhone? Not sure what shitty students you know but every student I know who has an iPhone has made good use of it. I've never seen any of them try to appear cool for having an iPhone. I've also never seen an iPhone's battery fail to last through the day. But if it did fail to last through the day, it must have been getting a damn lot of use, like all day non-stop use, and so there goes any argument that it's not useful and is only there for the coolness factor. When they released the OS, many iPhones wouldn't download it. I know somebody whose iPhone was bricked by the new OS. I also don't like the fact that Apple locks their software to third party programs, which is their perrogative of course, but they void the warranty if you exercise fair use and unlock it to third party programs (i.e jailbreaking as it is known). No battery removal is an issue. Just like the upgrade issues with the computers, they require you to send (I actually don't know about the newest iPhone but I suspect that it's the same) in the phone to have them replace the battery. It's a battery replacement...it's simple and cheap for everyone else, why not for Apple too? Those are a few things that are undesirable about the iPhone. It was an innovation, but I don't understand why Apple can't play nice like everyone else, make their upgrading system usable and not detrimental, let you exercise fair use (same thing with their unlocking verification system with iTunes purchases), and let you replace the battery yourself and not charge you an arm and a leg for simple things. And maybe I'm old fashioned, but if your phone battery doesn't get you at least a few days, isn't that a bad thing to begin with? My phone battery gets me a week, and I use it frequently. You're obviously not using a phone with an internet connection so why are you bitching about iPhones? It's apples and oranges to you.
Are you upset because your exactly the "looking for cool factor" college student thats a sucker for apple that he was descibing?
LOL Mr. i need advice cause my student loans are running out btw check out mah new IPHONE4GEE
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itunes is malware. rest is you whining.
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I won a video ipod in a raffle and it's not too bad, but I don't think I'd ever buy one. I am debating buying an iPhone 4 though, which would be my first-ever Apple purchase. I've heard horror stories about how dictatorial Apple is over content that's allowed to be distributed on the App Store, so it's not like I really want to encourage that sort of behavior by giving them my money, it's just that the iPhone 4 looks to be really, really solid. I certainly wouldn't buy a Mac though, fuck those.
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I think the easiest and most legitimate reason to hate Apple is simply their advertising campaigns (no, not the U2 ads although that's hateworthy as well.)
Everyone knows they were deceptive and misleading. That is the point of advertising, but Apple took it further than most, and they did it with an annoying little hipster who can't act, and the worst member of the Daily Show.
As for your points, not sure I agree with #1 (although iTunes does suck balls.) They may not provide the same power or options as a Windows PC, but it's for exactly that reason that Apple products are very reliable. They don't need to worry about thousands of possible driver interaction problems because they've got control over the full product line. From a manufacturing standpoint, that's very smart.
#3 I'll buy, but that's true no matter what. If Android becomes the "in" thing, we'll see stupid Google fanboys as well.
I think you HAVE to explain #4, because I don't buy it.
#5, one of my summer jobs was to build and repair computers of all kinds. After doing it on all the different types of Mac PCs, you grow to hate the cutesy designs. Ram is fine, but when a HDD fails? The iLamp was the worst, to date. The laptops are fine, however, and about as easy as most, although Apple doesn't give you the option to change as much hardware as most PC makers do these days. I guess that's what the Apple store is for, however. Still, I like fixing my own stuff, but some of those (even the new iMacs) are awful.
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i actually haven't heard any complaints of iphones locking out when upgrading to iOS 4 and many of my friends are also owners of the iphone. the only point i agree with you concerning the iphone is the fact that you can't remove the battery, that's it. most decent phones have their warranty void if you jailbreak them... that's common sense. and you can't expect ANY decent smartphone with an internet connection to have a battery life of more than a day if you're actually using it as a smartphone. maybe you should upgrade from your block nokia if your phone can run for a few days without charging. the reason why people prefer the iphone and iOS in general is in fact the smoothness and simplicity. the thing is for people who aren't as technologically oriented, the iphone is their best choice, why? because when you're using an iphone and you're trying to do something you've never done before, chances are the first way you think of is actually how it's done. android on the other hand, you may have to visit some forums, go google search something, etc. i've been an owner of many highend smart phones up to my recent iphone4 and i'm definitely not regretting changing. and in terms of price, $199/$299 with a 2 year contract isn't unreasonable at all as someone mentioned in a post, most high end phones fall into that price range, iphone or not.
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On June 28 2010 22:58 Eiserne wrote:
completely disagree. what a stupid blog. most of what you state is not true in any way shape or form.
another apple hate post from teamliquid. it's despicable.
1-3 are obviously a bit hate fueled, but you've never run into 4 or 5? I know die-hard Mac fans who will even concede those points (they just feel that 90% of the time, it's a non-issue, since Mac hardware is fairly well-engineered compared to a lot of prebuild PC distributors).
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On June 29 2010 00:09 Jibba wrote:
I think the easiest and most legitimate reason to hate Apple is simply their advertising campaigns (no, not the U2 ads although that's hateworthy as well.)
Everyone knows they were deceptive and misleading. That is the point of advertising, but Apple took it further than most, and they did it with an annoying little hipster who can't act, and the worst member of the Daily Show.
As for your points, not sure I agree with #1 (although iTunes does suck balls.) They may not provide the same power or options as a Windows PC, but it's for exactly that reason that Apple products are very reliable. They don't need to worry about thousands of possible driver interaction problems because they've got control over the full product line. From a manufacturing standpoint, that's very smart.
#3 I'll buy, but that's true no matter what. If Android becomes the "in" thing, we'll see stupid Google fanboys as well.
I think you HAVE to explain #4, because I don't buy it.
#5, one of my summer jobs was to build and repair computers of all kinds. After doing it on all the different types of Mac PCs, you grow to hate the cutesy designs. Ram is fine, but when a HDD fails? The iLamp was the worst, to date. The laptops are fine, however, and about as easy as most, although Apple doesn't give you the option to change as much hardware as most PC makers do these days. I guess that's what the Apple store is for, however. Still, I like fixing my own stuff, but some of those (even the new iMacs) are awful.
#4 is primarily subject to my own experience. I have spent hours and received the worst kind of service ever at the Apple stores near where I live. I don't own a Mac, but one of the times I've interacted with Apple service, my gf was having problems with her Mac. As I have worked summer jobs as a tech guy for a consulting firm for 3 years, I told her I'd take care of it. I told them what was wrong. I knew how to fix it, I just didn't want to void the warranty. I knew exactly what to do, and had I been in their back room I could have fixed it in 5 minutes. They took 2 and a half hours. They blew me off, didn't believe me, took 45 minutes to even acknowledge I was there, etc. etc. etc. I and some of my friends have had terrible experiences just trying to replace/get iPods fixed.
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this is extremely unfair to apple (especially pts 1-2)
especially in the notebook market
all other makers suck dick as of now (well not really, but they don't have what i want)
i've spent the past several years waiting for laptop to rival mbp's (i think i finally got one with the envy14 that came out this saturday at ~4am (yes i stayed up for it) but that remains to be seen when it gets to my doorstep, stay tuned  )
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Can someone give me one compelling reason to buy an ipad? I have yet to figure it out myself.
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What other better alternative is there to the iPhone's GPS? There's nothing, apple put a lot of thought in their interface design (iPod wheel and touch screen) making it a lot easier to use for the less tech savy.
I had to move to a different city for university, my iPhone and it's plethora of useful apps combined with it's GPS saved my life more times than I can count.
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On June 29 2010 00:41 hi19hi19 wrote:
Can someone give me one compelling reason to buy an ipad? I have yet to figure it out myself.
IPod touches are cool by definition, bigger = more cool??
That's how they sell them, I think.
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