A long time back, when I was like 5, my family had a computer. It had like 32 mb of RAM, and an equally depressing processor. It was also an Apple. I loved that computer. I have awesome memories of games like Crystal Crazy, the ORIGINAL Prince of Persia and Prince of Persia 2, Shadow & Flame, as well as the Staff of Ra and other great games.
As I look at what Apple became as I grew up, indifference changed to dislike, to what it is now. Apple became glitzy, superficial, and obnoxiously unhelpful. Ever try calling Apple tech support? It's worse than HP's, and I have routinely spent ~1 hour on with HP tech support just to get them to repair the power structure on a laptop (and I had to diagnose the problem for them!).
Here are 5 ways Apple is like everything I hate in people:
1. Apple products are shiny and glitzy rather than reliable. Apple computers are prone to hardware problems. iTunes is essentially malware. The iPad is just a big iPhone. Yet, they are used, because, as previously mentioned, they're shiny and glitzy.
2. Closely related to #1, Apple products are superficial, having practically no substance behind them whatsoever. The iPad is pathetic as a computer. iPods and iPhones have lamentable battery life and malleability. Apple computers looks sleek and cool but dollar for dollar compared with Dells, HPs, etc., are completely terrible computers.
3. Apples are trendy. College students love them because they think Apples are cool, and look how awesome it is that the little icon bounces up and down on the dock bar. Everyone flocks to buy iPhones and iPads, diregarding the fact that aside from the 'coolness factor' there's no reason to get one.
4. Apple is exceedingly unhelpful. I'll not elaborate too much on this, as you need to experience it for yourself, but every experience of myself and my acquaintances has produced the same unhelpfulness, long waits, and disinterest in your business.
5. You can't fix it yourself. This is only tangential to people, and stretch the metaphor if you will, but it is more important that I complain about Apple steadfastly refusing to make their machines accessible. There are only a few models, a very few, that even put a backplate for replacing the RAM. They'd prefer to solder everything into the mobo so if something even simple goes wrong you have to replace the whole damn machine and they make more money. I could literally go on for hours about this, but I'll spare you.
The things you hate about Apples are probably shared by everyone else who hates Apples, but in reality, Apple has a hardcore fan base (I would argue more hardcore than the TL.net community is towards Starcraft) which is willing to consistently dish out hundreds of dollars to own that latest Apple product, regardless of how overpriced, inconsistent, or wasteful it is/we feel it is.
edit: Just look at the iPad. Prior to its release, it seemed that even Apple fan boys felt it was a waste of money and was missing so many key features - just an "oversized Apple touch". When it eventually was released though, that thing sold like hotcakes and racked up so many sales regardless.
For the record, I completely agree with all your points.
I agree, I never have and never will buy any of their computers, iPhones, iPods or anything, superior and cheaper alternatives are available for everything.
It's more about being self esteem and being cool than it is about being professional And what's more professional than being cool?
That said, as a college guy, I think Apples are popular because they're simpler to use. College students don't want a hassle with their computer and would prefer to keep it as simple as possible. Therefore the Apple "qualities" of reliability (perhaps a myth), style and ubiquitousness make it much easier to whip out the plastic and get one than it is to spend hours deliberating among the many laptop makers out there, with all of their models and specifications.
i only have 1st generation nano lolollol it has served me well since whnever it was released till now and is still going strong although battery life is a bit lower now haha
What's wrong with the iPhone? Not sure what shitty students you know but every student I know who has an iPhone has made good use of it. I've never seen any of them try to appear cool for having an iPhone. I've also never seen an iPhone's battery fail to last through the day. But if it did fail to last through the day, it must have been getting a damn lot of use, like all day non-stop use, and so there goes any argument that it's not useful and is only there for the coolness factor.
On June 28 2010 22:58 zatic wrote: Hi, let me make up a couple of stats so I can justify my envy fueled Apple hatred.
Envy don't enter into it.
I don't even hate Apple. I have an iPod, and it's actually quite a nice device. I would just never buy an Apple computer or phone, because they cost a ridiculous amount of money compared to Dells or HPs (or Droids) to do the same thing.
I also thought it was self evident that they were trendy and glitzy. It's also empirically verifiable that their service is not good and that they don't let you upgrade their computers.
On June 28 2010 22:58 Eiserne wrote: completely disagree. what a stupid blog. most of what you state is not true in any way shape or form.
another apple hate post from teamliquid. it's despicable.
Aside from #2, they are all true.
As for #2, I think MBPs are actually quite good, though I don't own one, I wouldn't mind paying $1500 (or something close I hope) for one. The only laptops that are close to MBP in terms of reliability and specs are probably ThinkPads (which I use and love), and they aren't cheap either. MBPs are actually very good computers especially for software developers (and I am part of this group) and people who edit videos (or so I hear). I don't understand why regular college kids who don't fall into these two categories would want one though... a 500$ Dell would serve the same purpose as an MBP for most people.
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But yes, MBP has its fair share of problems covered by OP; still good build though (case overheating is a bitch, but I don't use it on my lap that often, if ever).
On June 28 2010 23:07 Neo27 wrote: I completely agree with 3. Apple started marketing their products in a way that gave them the "cool" factor. Pure Genius.
Without doing this, they may have gone out of business.
Bingo. That's exactly what gave Apple its life. That's also what Microsoft is trying to be (Hi Bing commercials), but they are failing miserably at it.
I enjoy my iPhone a lot. I would say jailbreaking is almost necessary. But it's still way near the top of best smartphone list. The ui is so smooth and easy to use. If you aren't willing to learn iTunes then yes I can see that argument, but if you do use all the features with auto updating and shopping for your digital purchases it's fantastic. The integration works soooo well. Going from my 3G to my 4, was so simple. Plugged the 4 in typed in my ATT info in two boxes and a few minutes later the backup for my 3G was imported to my 4.
Apple was very helpful without giving me the runaround to replace my phone when brought to an Apple store. Looked at it. Confirmed the flaw (headphone jack went bad at my fault ) and replaced the whole phone right there after asking if I had a backup of it at home. Was outta there within 15 mins after showing up on time.
Not being able to repair it yourself is a valid concern. But there are 3rd party kits to replace the glass and screens for much lower than the cost of a new one.
I'll conclude by saying that iPhone is the only product I've owned from Apple. But so far, if I wasn't grown up on Microsoft based PCs I wouldn't hesitate to get a mac.
On June 28 2010 23:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: What's wrong with the iPhone? Not sure what shitty students you know but every student I know who has an iPhone has made good use of it. I've never seen any of them try to appear cool for having an iPhone. I've also never seen an iPhone's battery fail to last through the day. But if it did fail to last through the day, it must have been getting a damn lot of use, like all day non-stop use, and so there goes any argument that it's not useful and is only there for the coolness factor.
When they released the OS, many iPhones wouldn't download it. I know somebody whose iPhone was bricked by the new OS. I also don't like the fact that Apple locks their software to third party programs, which is their perrogative of course, but they void the warranty if you exercise fair use and unlock it to third party programs (i.e jailbreaking as it is known).
No battery removal is an issue. Just like the upgrade issues with the computers, they require you to send (I actually don't know about the newest iPhone but I suspect that it's the same) in the phone to have them replace the battery. It's a battery replacement...it's simple and cheap for everyone else, why not for Apple too?
Those are a few things that are undesirable about the iPhone. It was an innovation, but I don't understand why Apple can't play nice like everyone else, make their upgrading system usable and not detrimental, let you exercise fair use (same thing with their unlocking verification system with iTunes purchases), and let you replace the battery yourself and not charge you an arm and a leg for simple things. And maybe I'm old fashioned, but if your phone battery doesn't get you at least a few days, isn't that a bad thing to begin with? My phone battery gets me a week, and I use it frequently.
On June 28 2010 23:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: What's wrong with the iPhone? Not sure what shitty students you know but every student I know who has an iPhone has made good use of it. I've never seen any of them try to appear cool for having an iPhone. I've also never seen an iPhone's battery fail to last through the day. But if it did fail to last through the day, it must have been getting a damn lot of use, like all day non-stop use, and so there goes any argument that it's not useful and is only there for the coolness factor.
When they released the OS, many iPhones wouldn't download it. I know somebody whose iPhone was bricked by the new OS. I also don't like the fact that Apple locks their software to third party programs, which is their perrogative of course, but they void the warranty if you exercise fair use and unlock it to third party programs (i.e jailbreaking as it is known).
No battery removal is an issue. Just like the upgrade issues with the computers, they require you to send (I actually don't know about the newest iPhone but I suspect that it's the same) in the phone to have them replace the battery. It's a battery replacement...it's simple and cheap for everyone else, why not for Apple too?
Those are a few things that are undesirable about the iPhone. It was an innovation, but I don't understand why Apple can't play nice like everyone else, make their upgrading system usable and not detrimental, let you exercise fair use (same thing with their unlocking verification system with iTunes purchases), and let you replace the battery yourself and not charge you an arm and a leg for simple things. And maybe I'm old fashioned, but if your phone battery doesn't get you at least a few days, isn't that a bad thing to begin with? My phone battery gets me a week, and I use it frequently.
You're obviously not using a phone with an internet connection so why are you bitching about iPhones? It's apples and oranges to you.
On June 28 2010 22:53 Xstatic wrote: I think Apples are popular because they're simpler to use. College students don't want a hassle with their computer and would prefer to keep it as simple as possible.
Not directing this at you.
I feel this is the biggest bullshit fed to the populace by Apple. Their design may be slightly better than the older versions of Windows (pre-XP, and maybe Vista), but this is no longer the case, especially with Windows 7 beginning to gain popularity. Anyone who has ever used Windows for most of his life would tell you Apple is very difficult to use, and very "counter-intuitive". I worked on a Mac for about 4 months straight, and I would literally do the opposite of what I normally would do, and it would work on a Mac. Of course, Apple blames Microsoft for ruining our intuition, but guess what, Microsoft got the market first, they defined the word "intuitive" with regards to graphical user interface on PCs (and yes, a Mac is a fucking personal computer).
A Mac is not easier to use than a PC running Window. If you only limit yourself to what is available on a Mac, Windows is just as simple (aside from doing dev work and videos/graphics). The problem with Windows is that there are too many choices with regards to almost anything and everything, and people over-indulge themselves in the vast amount of options.
On June 28 2010 23:20 Kyuukyuu wrote: Macs have problems with iCCup so I don't have one.
¯\(o_°)/¯
Quoted for truth.
But honestly, to the average computer user that isn't heavy into gaming or graphic design and simply needs word processing and internet browsing capability, there really isn't a significant difference at all between a PC and a Mac, except for price.
On June 28 2010 23:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: What's wrong with the iPhone? Not sure what shitty students you know but every student I know who has an iPhone has made good use of it. I've never seen any of them try to appear cool for having an iPhone. I've also never seen an iPhone's battery fail to last through the day. But if it did fail to last through the day, it must have been getting a damn lot of use, like all day non-stop use, and so there goes any argument that it's not useful and is only there for the coolness factor.
When they released the OS, many iPhones wouldn't download it. I know somebody whose iPhone was bricked by the new OS. I also don't like the fact that Apple locks their software to third party programs, which is their perrogative of course, but they void the warranty if you exercise fair use and unlock it to third party programs (i.e jailbreaking as it is known).
No battery removal is an issue. Just like the upgrade issues with the computers, they require you to send (I actually don't know about the newest iPhone but I suspect that it's the same) in the phone to have them replace the battery. It's a battery replacement...it's simple and cheap for everyone else, why not for Apple too?
Those are a few things that are undesirable about the iPhone. It was an innovation, but I don't understand why Apple can't play nice like everyone else, make their upgrading system usable and not detrimental, let you exercise fair use (same thing with their unlocking verification system with iTunes purchases), and let you replace the battery yourself and not charge you an arm and a leg for simple things. And maybe I'm old fashioned, but if your phone battery doesn't get you at least a few days, isn't that a bad thing to begin with? My phone battery gets me a week, and I use it frequently.
You're obviously not using a phone with an internet connection so why are you bitching about iPhones? It's apples and oranges to you.
Ooohh because what fun is life without complaining !
But seriously. It's a blog. I had a thought that I felt was kind of interesting. Figured people would react to Apples vs. PCs, and the discussion would be interesting.
I don't have a problem with people using Apple products. You use whatever you want. Your needs might make Apple products better, especially for editing, which Macs are especially good at. I'm just pointing out that Apple's products are inferior in regards customization, depth, and service (the last one I suppose is mostly my experience). If you love Apple, that's cool. I bear you no ill will. I bear Apple ill will, however.
On June 28 2010 23:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: What's wrong with the iPhone? Not sure what shitty students you know but every student I know who has an iPhone has made good use of it. I've never seen any of them try to appear cool for having an iPhone. I've also never seen an iPhone's battery fail to last through the day. But if it did fail to last through the day, it must have been getting a damn lot of use, like all day non-stop use, and so there goes any argument that it's not useful and is only there for the coolness factor.
When they released the OS, many iPhones wouldn't download it. I know somebody whose iPhone was bricked by the new OS. I also don't like the fact that Apple locks their software to third party programs, which is their perrogative of course, but they void the warranty if you exercise fair use and unlock it to third party programs (i.e jailbreaking as it is known).
No battery removal is an issue. Just like the upgrade issues with the computers, they require you to send (I actually don't know about the newest iPhone but I suspect that it's the same) in the phone to have them replace the battery. It's a battery replacement...it's simple and cheap for everyone else, why not for Apple too?
Those are a few things that are undesirable about the iPhone. It was an innovation, but I don't understand why Apple can't play nice like everyone else, make their upgrading system usable and not detrimental, let you exercise fair use (same thing with their unlocking verification system with iTunes purchases), and let you replace the battery yourself and not charge you an arm and a leg for simple things. And maybe I'm old fashioned, but if your phone battery doesn't get you at least a few days, isn't that a bad thing to begin with? My phone battery gets me a week, and I use it frequently.
You're obviously not using a phone with an internet connection so why are you bitching about iPhones? It's apples and oranges to you.
Are you upset because your exactly the "looking for cool factor" college student thats a sucker for apple that he was descibing? LOL Mr. i need advice cause my student loans are running out btw check out mah new IPHONE4GEE
I won a video ipod in a raffle and it's not too bad, but I don't think I'd ever buy one. I am debating buying an iPhone 4 though, which would be my first-ever Apple purchase. I've heard horror stories about how dictatorial Apple is over content that's allowed to be distributed on the App Store, so it's not like I really want to encourage that sort of behavior by giving them my money, it's just that the iPhone 4 looks to be really, really solid. I certainly wouldn't buy a Mac though, fuck those.
I think the easiest and most legitimate reason to hate Apple is simply their advertising campaigns (no, not the U2 ads although that's hateworthy as well.)
Everyone knows they were deceptive and misleading. That is the point of advertising, but Apple took it further than most, and they did it with an annoying little hipster who can't act, and the worst member of the Daily Show.
As for your points, not sure I agree with #1 (although iTunes does suck balls.) They may not provide the same power or options as a Windows PC, but it's for exactly that reason that Apple products are very reliable. They don't need to worry about thousands of possible driver interaction problems because they've got control over the full product line. From a manufacturing standpoint, that's very smart.
#3 I'll buy, but that's true no matter what. If Android becomes the "in" thing, we'll see stupid Google fanboys as well.
I think you HAVE to explain #4, because I don't buy it.
#5, one of my summer jobs was to build and repair computers of all kinds. After doing it on all the different types of Mac PCs, you grow to hate the cutesy designs. Ram is fine, but when a HDD fails? The iLamp was the worst, to date. The laptops are fine, however, and about as easy as most, although Apple doesn't give you the option to change as much hardware as most PC makers do these days. I guess that's what the Apple store is for, however. Still, I like fixing my own stuff, but some of those (even the new iMacs) are awful.
i actually haven't heard any complaints of iphones locking out when upgrading to iOS 4 and many of my friends are also owners of the iphone. the only point i agree with you concerning the iphone is the fact that you can't remove the battery, that's it. most decent phones have their warranty void if you jailbreak them... that's common sense. and you can't expect ANY decent smartphone with an internet connection to have a battery life of more than a day if you're actually using it as a smartphone. maybe you should upgrade from your block nokia if your phone can run for a few days without charging. the reason why people prefer the iphone and iOS in general is in fact the smoothness and simplicity. the thing is for people who aren't as technologically oriented, the iphone is their best choice, why? because when you're using an iphone and you're trying to do something you've never done before, chances are the first way you think of is actually how it's done. android on the other hand, you may have to visit some forums, go google search something, etc. i've been an owner of many highend smart phones up to my recent iphone4 and i'm definitely not regretting changing. and in terms of price, $199/$299 with a 2 year contract isn't unreasonable at all as someone mentioned in a post, most high end phones fall into that price range, iphone or not.
On June 28 2010 22:58 Eiserne wrote: completely disagree. what a stupid blog. most of what you state is not true in any way shape or form.
another apple hate post from teamliquid. it's despicable.
1-3 are obviously a bit hate fueled, but you've never run into 4 or 5? I know die-hard Mac fans who will even concede those points (they just feel that 90% of the time, it's a non-issue, since Mac hardware is fairly well-engineered compared to a lot of prebuild PC distributors).
On June 29 2010 00:09 Jibba wrote: I think the easiest and most legitimate reason to hate Apple is simply their advertising campaigns (no, not the U2 ads although that's hateworthy as well.)
Everyone knows they were deceptive and misleading. That is the point of advertising, but Apple took it further than most, and they did it with an annoying little hipster who can't act, and the worst member of the Daily Show.
As for your points, not sure I agree with #1 (although iTunes does suck balls.) They may not provide the same power or options as a Windows PC, but it's for exactly that reason that Apple products are very reliable. They don't need to worry about thousands of possible driver interaction problems because they've got control over the full product line. From a manufacturing standpoint, that's very smart.
#3 I'll buy, but that's true no matter what. If Android becomes the "in" thing, we'll see stupid Google fanboys as well.
I think you HAVE to explain #4, because I don't buy it.
#5, one of my summer jobs was to build and repair computers of all kinds. After doing it on all the different types of Mac PCs, you grow to hate the cutesy designs. Ram is fine, but when a HDD fails? The iLamp was the worst, to date. The laptops are fine, however, and about as easy as most, although Apple doesn't give you the option to change as much hardware as most PC makers do these days. I guess that's what the Apple store is for, however. Still, I like fixing my own stuff, but some of those (even the new iMacs) are awful.
#4 is primarily subject to my own experience. I have spent hours and received the worst kind of service ever at the Apple stores near where I live. I don't own a Mac, but one of the times I've interacted with Apple service, my gf was having problems with her Mac. As I have worked summer jobs as a tech guy for a consulting firm for 3 years, I told her I'd take care of it. I told them what was wrong. I knew how to fix it, I just didn't want to void the warranty. I knew exactly what to do, and had I been in their back room I could have fixed it in 5 minutes. They took 2 and a half hours. They blew me off, didn't believe me, took 45 minutes to even acknowledge I was there, etc. etc. etc. I and some of my friends have had terrible experiences just trying to replace/get iPods fixed.
this is extremely unfair to apple (especially pts 1-2) especially in the notebook market all other makers suck dick as of now (well not really, but they don't have what i want) i've spent the past several years waiting for laptop to rival mbp's (i think i finally got one with the envy14 that came out this saturday at ~4am (yes i stayed up for it) but that remains to be seen when it gets to my doorstep, stay tuned )
What other better alternative is there to the iPhone's GPS? There's nothing, apple put a lot of thought in their interface design (iPod wheel and touch screen) making it a lot easier to use for the less tech savy.
I had to move to a different city for university, my iPhone and it's plethora of useful apps combined with it's GPS saved my life more times than I can count.
People use iTunes because it's easy to use. Much easier than any othe MP3 player I've ever seen. (If you can find something simpler and more useful, please tell me, I'm not overly addicted to Apple.)
But on the whole I'm slowly growing away from Apple (my family is Mac-happy). The airport is pretty much unstable and unreliable (although AT&T DSL doesn't help matters). My current computer is a MacBook, but I end up spending most of my time on the Windows install because I've found I like it better... and the Mac OS doesn't handle mousing well. And that one-button trackpad thing.
You know, it's fine that somebody doesn't likes Mac. Its fine that somebody doesn't gets how Apple dies things. But I have a problem with people pretending that all Mac users are the same. There is a lot of very intelligent people who use Macs because they actually find them to be better tools for productivity and development.
In the same way you can hate Mac users for being douchebags, you can make funof average Windows users for not knowing any better.
On June 29 2010 00:41 hi19hi19 wrote: Can someone give me one compelling reason to buy an ipad? I have yet to figure it out myself.
There's potential for neat games and such with a big touch screen like that. As of right now it's a big iPod touch. There's already cool things happening like using your iPad as a screen while using your iPhone as a controller playing emulators. Sure it's expensive to play Mario, but take that idea and expand it to other things. They have Scrabble for the iPad also with using your iPhone as the letter holder and the iPad itself is the gameboard.
In a more general sense a lot of these devices have blue tooth built in. So hopefully, and I believe in some cases exist already, there is interplatform play. So you could use your favorite Android hardware as well.
On June 29 2010 01:10 VManOfMana wrote: You know, it's fine that somebody doesn't likes Mac. Its fine that somebody doesn't gets how Apple dies things. But I have a problem with people pretending that all Mac users are the same. There is a lot of very intelligent people who use Macs because they actually find them to be better tools for productivity and development.
In the same way you can hate Mac users for being douchebags, you can make funof average Windows users for not knowing any better.
About 10 posts earlier, in response to a similar erroneous critique, I wrote:
On June 28 2010 23:01 Liquid`NonY wrote: What's wrong with the iPhone? Not sure what shitty students you know but every student I know who has an iPhone has made good use of it. I've never seen any of them try to appear cool for having an iPhone. I've also never seen an iPhone's battery fail to last through the day. But if it did fail to last through the day, it must have been getting a damn lot of use, like all day non-stop use, and so there goes any argument that it's not useful and is only there for the coolness factor.
When they released the OS, many iPhones wouldn't download it. I know somebody whose iPhone was bricked by the new OS. I also don't like the fact that Apple locks their software to third party programs, which is their perrogative of course, but they void the warranty if you exercise fair use and unlock it to third party programs (i.e jailbreaking as it is known).
No battery removal is an issue. Just like the upgrade issues with the computers, they require you to send (I actually don't know about the newest iPhone but I suspect that it's the same) in the phone to have them replace the battery. It's a battery replacement...it's simple and cheap for everyone else, why not for Apple too?
Those are a few things that are undesirable about the iPhone. It was an innovation, but I don't understand why Apple can't play nice like everyone else, make their upgrading system usable and not detrimental, let you exercise fair use (same thing with their unlocking verification system with iTunes purchases), and let you replace the battery yourself and not charge you an arm and a leg for simple things. And maybe I'm old fashioned, but if your phone battery doesn't get you at least a few days, isn't that a bad thing to begin with? My phone battery gets me a week, and I use it frequently.
You're obviously not using a phone with an internet connection so why are you bitching about iPhones? It's apples and oranges to you.
I don't have a problem with people using Apple products. You use whatever you want. Your needs might make Apple products better, especially for editing, which Macs are especially good at. I'm just pointing out that Apple's products are inferior in regards customization, depth, and service (the last one I suppose is mostly my experience). If you love Apple, that's cool. I bear you no ill will. I bear Apple ill will, however.
Well, for most products I completely agree. iPhone might be ok, but imo too big for a cellphone. iPad n/c. iMac well, I'd prefer buying a strong windows machine for 700 € and a screen for 400€ for the same price, case solved. MacPro is too expensive for me, as no professional video editor or whatelse.
But when it comes to notebooks I have to say that the White MacBook and the smallest MacBook Pro (13") are pretty decent, especially when you get some reduction when you're student/pupil. The bigger versions are too expensive imo.
I just hardly can find notebook which has the same weight, battery duration and handling for the same price. Plus, with MacOSX you get some really nice funtions which I really dont want to miss anymore. Like scrolling with two fingers on touchpad, spaces, tab switch with 4 fingers. It's all adjustable. This makes surfing and working very comfortable on notebooks.
On June 28 2010 22:58 Eiserne wrote: completely disagree. what a stupid blog. most of what you state is not true in any way shape or form.
another apple hate post from teamliquid. it's despicable.
wow you are so rude, go back to your own blog where every poster told you to get rid of your iphone since you have no money. your blog was stupid. Everything he states IS true, can you remove the back of your iphone to manually repair something? No, I don't think so. Apple is more expensive, for less features...and that is very true. The ipad is a big iphone...its just larger! It isn't a computer, and doesn't let you install real hardware, its just a large iphone. And apple products are trendy for students who can't learn to use a pen and paper for their scheduling and "need" an apple product to do it for them.
I completely agree with the OP, apple products don't last very long, and getting them replaced or fixed costs so much. They don't offer any real services for repairs. I have lots of friends who love Mac products, but when their iphone's broke, they had to go out and pay full price for all new ones. Kind of ridiculous since they didn't even have the phones for a year. When my phone stopped charging, I got a new battery for free, no hassle. Not to mention, Apple has yet to set up a variety of stores in many areas to help their "huge" fanbase. I'd have to drive 3 hours to get to my closest apple store if I wanted to take a look at their shit or get help. What a ripoff.
Eloquent and very well said. You make some great points about why Apple is a bundle of sadface. Don't forget, Apple offers nothing over Windows computers in terms of hardware power, they just offer the same specs for $400+ more. But to some I guess the OS and Apple brand is worth it. Can't say I agree.
I wholeheartedly agree with your statements, until the iPhone 4 came out. I've personally never owned any apple products at ALL besides an ipod a long time ago. I pretty much brushed apple off to the side. I remember growing up when computers first started coming around in grade school they would teach us how to type (on a crapantosh) and it sucked.
My experience with apple is they've never really been a "good" company to me. When they started getting trendy I got confused cause I personally wouldn't buy most of their products, but their marketing is second to none. They REALLY know how to sell their products, get people to get hyped up over it, and in turn, make a ton of cash.
iPhone 4 is the same way, hyped up to the teeth, making the product look about a million times better than what you're really holding in your hand. BUT, for the low price of $200, right now, as of this moment, it's probably the best phone on the market, hands down. There are many features they FINALLY got into the iphone to make it worth the purchase. I'd have to say, for someone who typically dislikes apple products, only has ever really had an ipod, I'm enjoying my iPhone 4.
The battery life still kinda blows even though they tried to make it better. The camera on the phone is the ABSOLUTE best I've seen on any phone, plus playing around with video chat is pretty fun. I'm not trying to advertise for the iPhone right now, I still think apple sucks because they took like 4 generations of the iPhone to bring it on par with every other phone on the market, but as far as that goes--they really went above and beyond the craptacular MyTouch I had, for guess what--the same price.
I'd really like to post an image macro and say "OH BOY HERE WE GO AGAIN" since this is what I see everyday on /g/, but since this is teamliquid, I have a challenge for mac users. This is a benchmark score from a PC I built in 2008 for $1200. I'd like to see someone with a modern Mac beat it.
i bought myself the 13" apple macbook like a year ago...its not awful but i would not buy it again...too much hassle to get shit work for me, but if i was buying a pc for gaming, i would probably choose system with OS X over Win 7
i would also choose iPhone 4 over my HTC Desire anyday...too bad it costs twice the money of Desire
i can barely hear most people who talk to me over their iphone and they can't hear me unless their environment is relatively silent. they really botched the phone portion of it
I've enjoyed my iPod video for about 4 years now. I suppose I'm not a "true apple user" because I have a strange lack of desire to upgrade or replace all my gadgets with apple products.
eh, physical design can have a place in computers as well these days. hating apple for being overpriced for their level of power is like hating a designer suit because it's uncomfortable to jog in
i'd get a 13 inch black macbook if I could afford it, but that kind of price tag is hard to justify if you aren't really well off financially
i have and will never understand the desire to buy an Ipod... back in 2002 i bought myself an Archos Gmini with 20gb of space for like, 90€. at the same time my brother has bought himself the early Ipod. 4gb. over 200€ if i recall right. i compared them, and i gotta say: wow, the ipod sucks. less space, worse sound, higher price. Recently i had to buy a new MP3 player. decided on the Samsung YP-Q2 after testing. i was sure to not buy the ipod, but i had to laugh at the soundchip. thats just... ridicoulus. i used my Etymolic Research ER 6 i-solator in ear headphones (they were more expensive than the samsung mp3 player, but whoah, are they worth it) to test both. as i said. nothing has changed. ipod still expensive, still no sound. space doesnt matter anymore. Size wise, they were all the same. early ipod was thinner, but bigger than archos. now they are kinda the same. while the Mac may be better for things like cutting movies and stuff, i refuse to believe its good for anything else. lately, a friend of mine was over with his MBP, and he just sat there crying since nothing was working on that stupid OS. he cried when we had like 3 spare beta keys. i mean, you spend twice the money on an MBP than you do on an technically equal laptop, even no name laptop, and get less usability for more "stability". oh, while we're on the stability topic, the MBP crashed like 3 to 4 times that evening while the windows 7 and vista machines were running like they're supposed to. but i dislike microsoft too. i recall a phrase from the old dev bunker jobs and gates were in together "software should be free for everyone"... we see the effects of the "free" software now. please, let the age of free of charge OS come faster. Ubuntu (i think i used hardy heron) was nice to use, some more dev work and it is fit to take the place of windows and mac osX soon. switched back to windows cuz of the better compatibility. but soon, the compatibility problem will have its end. the dawn of free software has arrived. finally.
I agree with 4/5 of yer points OP. I love my iPod because it's the best MP3-player around really. (Classic 160gb) Apples support is rediculous and having recently changed a harddrive on the iMac G5 for ALOT of munies makes it just not worth it for a shiny computer with a interface made for children.
Eh im loving my iPod touch, and basically all iPods i've ever owned. I do agree with Macs being way too expensive when i can get a better ( performance-wise) , and longer lasting computer for about half the price.
apple sucked when they were just pushing desktops (and shitty ibooks) but they really excel at making quality portable devices because that's when material quality in the casing and stuff actually matters.
i mean, i couldn't justify paying 1.7k for a MBP but i sure as hell would like to have one if i used a laptop.
I have to have a mac as I study music and we have to use mac software. My experience with Mac is not good though. Press spoiler for the story. Summary: I bought it over one year ago, still doesn't work.
June 15: I order the Macbook Pro 15" with 7200RPM 500GB harddisk June 29: I receive it and within minutes experience that it freezes and makes a beep. I ignore it for now June 30: I start to realize that I can't use it properly if it's going to continue like that, and call Apple Care. They tell me to do basic stuff, like restarting the computer and to take disk check, which I say I've already done. They say they will call back with more information. July 3: As I was really impatient and still hadn't heard from Apple, I called them again. They said that I could try to format the hard disk and install Mac OSX Leopard again. I did this, but I still had the problem. I started to search around the internet to try to find a solution. What I found was several websites reporting that people have experienced this problem, and a thread on the Apple discussions forum that was 10 pages long, with many people posting in it. People conclude that there is a problem with the Seagate Momentus 7200RPM 500GB hard drive. July 4: I call Apple Support again and tell them that reinstalling Mac OSX didn't work, and that there are several people experiencing this problem. They said that many people can lie on the internet, so I shouldn't trust that so many people have the problem, and denied that there were a big problem with the harddisk. They said they were going to call me back with further info. July 5-23: Many calls back and forth regarding the problem, nothing works. More people report the problem on the Apple discussions forum, but Apple Support still denies that there is a problem. July 24: An Apple Support employee sends me an email where he tells me to send him an audio recording where the freeze occurs, as I told him on the phone that when the Macbook Pro froze when I was recording midi, you still could hear a freeze-sound on the recording. I had deleted all the files, so I didn't have something to send right away, but I had found this site with more info on the issue, so I sent that to him. It was this article that I sent: http://www.macnn.com/articles/09/07/09/macbook.pro.defect/ He ignored the email completely. July 28: Found a clip where the freeze happened and sent it to him. I received an email back saying that he would forward it to his engineers. July 29-August 3: Waiting... August 4: I send a mail to Seagate, in hope that at least they can fix it since Apple just ignores the problem. A few hours later I get an answer saying: "The drive is an OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) drive. This means that the warranty on the drive lies under the Place of Purchase. If this is a MAC then the OEM is most likely Apple. I would suggest calling them. If there is any upgrade or warranty they would be the provider." I ask if they have any tips, and tell them that Apple ignores the problem. I get a reply from Seagate that tells me that Apple is aware of the issue and that they are working on a fix. The same day Apple Support calls and asks for my email as they will send me a program that can find the problem. When asked, they still refused that there was a problem with the hard drive. They send me Capture Data, an application that will find the problem. I send the Capture Data file back on the same day. Also on the same day, I posted in a thread on the Apple discussions forum called "how to screw up my macbook pro 13''". Being sick of this whole situation, I posted: "You wanna screw it up? Install a 7200RPM drive..." I soon received an email that said that my post was removed. I first thought this was because of the word "screw", but the thread had that word in it, and it wasn't deleted. August 7: I get a call from Apple saying that I will get a new Macbook Pro 15". I am very happy with this solution. August 15: The new Macbook Pro 15" was sent August 20: Got the new Macbook Pro 15" and realize that it has the same problem. I start to call again... August 27: A friend spills coffee on the table by the Macbook Pro. A little of it gets inside the USB port on the Macbook Pro, I'm not noticing this at all. November 9: Apple Support say that I should give it to Eplehuset in Trondheim for service. They don't find anything. November 9-26: Calling, hoping to get a new machine. November 27: Apple Support say that I should give it to Eplehuset for service again, and that Apple will call Eplehuset and guide them to fix the problem. When I get it back I just rarely experience that the Macbook Pro freezes, but now it randomly shuts down. January 26: I give my Macbook Pro to Eplehuset in Trondheim again, for service. At first they can't find and fix the problem, but after a few days they find that there were spilled coffee on the mainboard. I was surprised at first, as I hadn't noticed that coffee have been spilled, but said that they should change the mainboard, which cost me 11000NKR, about 1800USD. After I get it back, I am convinced it would be fixed, as both the mainboard and harddrive have been replaced now. It still randomly shut down. March 17: Gave it to Eplehuset Trondheim again. They found that the fans to cool down the machine didn't work properly, so the machine overheated. I took back the machine, as I thought I would get a new one from Apple. March 25: Called Apple, and they said that I had to give it to Eplehuset again, and that Apple would guide the technicians at Eplehuset to fix it. Gave it to Eplehuset, still haven't been fixed.
I have a good friend who uses a MBP for music study (composition, specifically) and it actually works pretty well for him. I will say that the Mac Book Pros are actually pretty good machines, but they're the only macs I would ever consider getting, and would prefer if they were considerably cheaper to match Dell/HP prices.
Apple has fantastic marketing. Seriously. It's amazing how they've managed to increase their marketshare (in computers and phones) and boost that brand's power.
Secondly, some people are computer newbs and point 5 is irrelevant to them.
Not sure i totally agree. Yeah fanboyism is annoying but it shouldnt really detract from a product. IMO theye pretty strong products that are somewhat overpriced. (works for them).
To me the policies that annoy me: - Control over hardware, makes it harder/more expensive to upgrade unlike a PC. I think its gotten better but MAC ram use to be insane iirc. Theres options but they come with consequences (ie nulling you warranty) -A lot of their recent actions wrt patents etc seem greedy -very restrictive policy and tons of hoops to go through for developers. Blah blah blah opensource -some questionable app store policies (maybe exaggerated ?)
That said, cant say I hate them. They make good products and do things to make themselves money and control their product to a finer degree. Kind of more an annoyance, just to put it in perspective.
On June 28 2010 22:58 Eiserne wrote: completely disagree. what a stupid blog. most of what you state is not true in any way shape or form.
another apple hate post from teamliquid. it's despicable.
Your opinion is unbelievably biased. You were dumb enough to waste an incredible amount of money that you didn't have on an iPhone and then proceeded to try to justify it and say it's necessary to your lifestyle.
Aside from that, I pretty much agree with the OP. You basically spend a ridiculous amount of money on the brand whereas if you go anywhere else you could get the same for significantly less.
I don't like Macs for a bunch of reasons other people have said to (customization, UI intuition, customization, etc).
But the one thing that really bugs me is that people tell me Macs look good.
What the bloody fuck? I mean sure, I'll give you that the oustide looks fine, neat little gray thing, but the inside is fugly as hell. The keyboard is like a 3 year old took 2 pictures, a picture of a gray wall and a picture of an (IMO ugly) keyboard and put them together. Can't stand the keyboard either (more windows vs mac intuition, apple key is so much less easy to use than the ctrl key). The only thing I like about it is multi-touch though that's more a hardware issue and not a aesthetics thing.
Then all the applications are that same depressing monochrome gray, like it's some sort of dystopian future and we've all been relegated to wearing grays and living in gray rooms. Makes me sick. At least windows has colors.
Unless you can actually change the Mac's skin, but I've never seen anybody with any skin other than that depressing gray skin.
iPods are awesome. iPhones are awesome. Macbooks are easy and convenient.
I don't personally use Apple products with an exception of iPod - I use PCs and a BlackBerry. This whole Apple vs PC argument and hatred is so ridiculous to me lol. Apple products are cool and I appreciate them. Does this mean that I buy whatever they release? No. Do I think that the kids who use them want to look cool and trendy? No.
As for #2, I think MBPs are actually quite good. MBPs are actually very good computers especially for software developers (and I am part of this group) and people who edit videos (or so I hear).
Nice that you've bought into the Apple marketing.
I mean, if I was a software developer or edit videos, then i just HAVE to have a MBP or Thinkpad because the Core 2 Duos and RAM sticks in those are specially designed for professional use. If I tried to edit videos on my Acer it would probably blow up in my face, and there's no way I can program in any language without a MBP.
Thanks for reminding me to get a MBP, ordering one online now -> 24hr shipping!
I agree with everything except the durability. I have a 3rd gen 30 gig ipod video, I've had it since it first came out, and the thing still runs amazing, and even still has a good 8 hours of battery life on a good day. Sure, it's held together with gaffers tape from the one time I dropped it (lol), but the thing still runs great. Good battery life for a 4-5 year old ipod, no dead pixels in the screen, it's chock full of music, and it's awesome.
Then again, I will never buy anything again from Apple because I really don't like their business decisions. They make a lot of business decisions that are absolutely brilliant from the business standpoint but absolutely horrible from the customer's standpoint. Steve Jobs is a very smart man, but he's realized that he actually doesn't need to give a shit about Apple fanboys, and he's started treating them accordingly, and they still eat it up like fucking candy. No way I'm getting anywhere near that.
Plus, I'm a programmer, so most of the time I'm using KDE anyway :D
I have a Macbook because my parents bought it for me. It's nice and works well. But I would never spend my own money on one, because of how overpriced macs are. Also, I do feel like a complete tool for having one, haha. And it's annoying that I have to use dual boot to play starcraft if I want to play on iccup, or have it run well...
its as retarded to be that much fucking against Apple, than it is to be a cult-following Apple fanboy. Yeah, they're cool. Yeah they're somewhat overpriced. But thats why you gotta choose the shit you buy and the shit you dont buy. And try not to pay full retail on Apple stuff... lots of ways to do that.
you just gotta be smart;
iPod; the only Apple thing i own. 5thGen 8GB Nano. Picked it up "used for a month, like-new" on craigslist for $90. Case closed. Love the thing.
iPhone; i'd never buy one but that has more to do with the retardedly high monthly phone bills that you gotta pay. i think the actual iPhone is amazing.
iPad; not my thing, and probably not worth $500+ but my friend has one and its really really cool.. i might pick one up on the cheap in a few years.. the thing is awesome seriously..
MacBookPros; best laptops ive ever seen. tons of friends have this thing. Way too expensive tho.
to add to the OP, I hate how apple products try to be different, but in a super superificial and annoying way, like some people are (oh yeah, i am a rebel!) take a look at the command key placement (different, but completely awkward, as opposed to control key) or placing the close, minimze buttons on the left side (oh yeah! cannot be the same as boooring others) or take a look at their retarded mouse (cannot have a scroll wheel! must do something different) or even itunes, possibly the most heinous software i have come across
The first iPod was a revolution. The rest has only been based on good-looking design, marketing, and fashion. I hate them ever since they tried to control everything with iTunes. Everytime I have a friend coming home and wants to share files im like "wtf you paid 250$ for you player and can't drag and drop files from your hard drive to your player ?! wtf everytime you wanna watch a movie, you have to re-encode it first ?!"
They are both overpriced for what they bring to the table, and do not adequately serve their basic functions. Ripped jeans do not serve the basic clothing functions of keeping you covered, keeping you warm, and keeping you comfortable. Apple computers have such limited customization and compatibility that it cannot run a lot of popular games and applications.
Their stylishness is more of a lack of it. Although there are a few people that wear ripped jeans because they enjoy the look, the majority of people who wear them only wear them because everyone else is wearing them. They have absolutely no sense of style or fashion whatsoever and just like to follow the crowd. Apple computers only come in one style as well. There are a few people out there who likes the Apple style the best, but for most Apple users, there are styles that they would enjoy much more if they bothered to explore different PC cases.
They are completely incapable of anything higher level. Ripped jeans cannot be worn to anything formal, they don't make you look professional, heck you can't even wear them to work on casual friday. Apple computers do not let you change most parts, fix individual parts, and you have to buy an entire new computer if you want any sort of upgrade.
To me, Apple is like Blizzard. They both made something that made a butt ton of money and that changed them. With Blizzard its WOW and with Aplle its the ipod, both are great products for what they are intended to do(WOW is entertaining if you get drawn in even though it's just a virtual disneyland). So now the goal of both companies have changed and its more about money than making awesome products. When Blizzard joined with Activision and when Steve Jobs dawned the turtleneck everything changed. That isnt to say that they wont make good products in the future just that money and power is more important now.
To me Apple is shit. I've been having this Macbook Pro for over a year, and have had it in for service over 20 times. Even got a new one, that sucks equally as bad. I'm just so sick of this thing now. I spend more money and time on apple"care" support than anything else, and the case is just not going anywhere.
On June 30 2010 06:03 aPsychonaut wrote: To me Apple is shit. I've been having this Macbook Pro for over a year, and have had it in for service over 20 times. Even got a new one, that sucks equally as bad. I'm just so sick of this thing now. I spend more money and time on apple"care" support than anything else, and the case is just not going anywhere.
mind going into more detail as to what went wrong?
I don't understand the comments about macs vs PC when people say college students want something simple. It's 2010 people, not 1990. Every college student has most likely had ample use of pc's either at home or in school in their life. They are not some foreign machine they've seen in glass case once. Further, if you're the appropriate age to know how to control most modern machines and somehow struggle doing basic commands then you shouldn't be in college and instead working on your burger flipping motion.
#5 definitely bothers the hell out of me. I'm the computer guru for all my friends and family but when I get an apple that is broken its frustrating as hell to explain it to my friend that they need to buy a new one.
As for #2, I think MBPs are actually quite good. MBPs are actually very good computers especially for software developers (and I am part of this group) and people who edit videos (or so I hear).
Nice that you've bought into the Apple marketing.
I mean, if I was a software developer or edit videos, then i just HAVE to have a MBP or Thinkpad because the Core 2 Duos and RAM sticks in those are specially designed for professional use. If I tried to edit videos on my Acer it would probably blow up in my face, and there's no way I can program in any language without a MBP.
Thanks for reminding me to get a MBP, ordering one online now -> 24hr shipping!
Way to show your ignorance. You don't use it for the hardware in this case, you use it for the software.
As for #2, I think MBPs are actually quite good. MBPs are actually very good computers especially for software developers (and I am part of this group) and people who edit videos (or so I hear).
Nice that you've bought into the Apple marketing.
I mean, if I was a software developer or edit videos, then i just HAVE to have a MBP or Thinkpad because the Core 2 Duos and RAM sticks in those are specially designed for professional use. If I tried to edit videos on my Acer it would probably blow up in my face, and there's no way I can program in any language without a MBP.
Thanks for reminding me to get a MBP, ordering one online now -> 24hr shipping!
Way to show your ignorance. You don't use it for the hardware in this case, you use it for the software.
You can put any editing software that runs on mac, on windows.
As for #2, I think MBPs are actually quite good. MBPs are actually very good computers especially for software developers (and I am part of this group) and people who edit videos (or so I hear).
Nice that you've bought into the Apple marketing.
I mean, if I was a software developer or edit videos, then i just HAVE to have a MBP or Thinkpad because the Core 2 Duos and RAM sticks in those are specially designed for professional use. If I tried to edit videos on my Acer it would probably blow up in my face, and there's no way I can program in any language without a MBP.
Thanks for reminding me to get a MBP, ordering one online now -> 24hr shipping!
Way to show your ignorance. You don't use it for the hardware in this case, you use it for the software.
You can put any editing software that runs on mac, on windows.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware that you can run Final Cut Pro on Windows (without jumping through significant emulation hoops that aren't the most reliable things ever).
As for #2, I think MBPs are actually quite good. MBPs are actually very good computers especially for software developers (and I am part of this group) and people who edit videos (or so I hear).
Nice that you've bought into the Apple marketing.
I mean, if I was a software developer or edit videos, then i just HAVE to have a MBP or Thinkpad because the Core 2 Duos and RAM sticks in those are specially designed for professional use. If I tried to edit videos on my Acer it would probably blow up in my face, and there's no way I can program in any language without a MBP.
Thanks for reminding me to get a MBP, ordering one online now -> 24hr shipping!
Way to show your ignorance. You don't use it for the hardware in this case, you use it for the software.
You can put any editing software that runs on mac, on windows.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware that you can run Final Cut Pro on Windows (without jumping through significant emulation hoops that aren't the most reliable things ever).
As for #2, I think MBPs are actually quite good. MBPs are actually very good computers especially for software developers (and I am part of this group) and people who edit videos (or so I hear).
Nice that you've bought into the Apple marketing.
I mean, if I was a software developer or edit videos, then i just HAVE to have a MBP or Thinkpad because the Core 2 Duos and RAM sticks in those are specially designed for professional use. If I tried to edit videos on my Acer it would probably blow up in my face, and there's no way I can program in any language without a MBP.
Thanks for reminding me to get a MBP, ordering one online now -> 24hr shipping!
Way to show your ignorance. You don't use it for the hardware in this case, you use it for the software.
You can put any editing software that runs on mac, on windows.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm not aware that you can run Final Cut Pro on Windows (without jumping through significant emulation hoops that aren't the most reliable things ever).
It's not as hard as you think.
Really? I have tried it semi-recently, unless it's improved in the last year then I believe it is as hard as I think.
On June 30 2010 10:07 TadH wrote: Easiest way, dualboot osx and windows, problem solved.
And the easiest way to do that is with boot camp...
Not all windows pcs can dualboot osx.
ALL windows PC's can dual boot osx, if you partition a space for it.
I wasn't aware that you could do it on AMD machines but it looks like as of September last year it's now possible. Regardless, at this point you're now running OSX to run FCP, which was my point as you said you could run it on Windows.
Which brings us back to the point of contention, that the originally quoted poster showed ignorance regarding the reasons developers and video editors might prefer mac computers: software not hardware.
On June 30 2010 10:07 TadH wrote: Easiest way, dualboot osx and windows, problem solved.
And the easiest way to do that is with boot camp...
Not all windows pcs can dualboot osx.
ALL windows PC's can dual boot osx, if you partition a space for it.
I wasn't aware that you could do it on AMD machines but it looks like as of September last year it's now possible. Regardless, at this point you're now running OSX to run FCP, which was my point as you said you could run it on Windows.
Which brings us back to the point of contention, that the originally quoted poster showed ignorance regarding the reasons developers and video editors might prefer mac computers: software not hardware.
I'm not for or against MACS to each his own, I was under the impression FCS was able to run on windows, and apparently it isn't without some legwork as you have said.
On June 28 2010 22:48 jello_biafra wrote: I agree, I never have and never will buy any of their computers, iPhones, iPods or anything, superior and cheaper alternatives are available for everything.
agreed. i once had a girl say "yea but can yours do THIS?" and minimized something except it went really slow and like a wave...clearly worth the extra 1000$
On June 30 2010 03:43 Chairman Ray wrote: To me, Apple is like ripped jeans.
They are both overpriced for what they bring to the table, and do not adequately serve their basic functions. Ripped jeans do not serve the basic clothing functions of keeping you covered, keeping you warm, and keeping you comfortable. Apple computers have such limited customization and compatibility that it cannot run a lot of popular games and applications.
Their stylishness is more of a lack of it. Although there are a few people that wear ripped jeans because they enjoy the look, the majority of people who wear them only wear them because everyone else is wearing them. They have absolutely no sense of style or fashion whatsoever and just like to follow the crowd. Apple computers only come in one style as well. There are a few people out there who likes the Apple style the best, but for most Apple users, there are styles that they would enjoy much more if they bothered to explore different PC cases.
They are completely incapable of anything higher level. Ripped jeans cannot be worn to anything formal, they don't make you look professional, heck you can't even wear them to work on casual friday. Apple computers do not let you change most parts, fix individual parts, and you have to buy an entire new computer if you want any sort of upgrade.
That is the worst analogy of Apple I have ever heard. Ripped jeans what? Nobody bests apple in design and few are just now catching up. Ripped jeans make absolutely no sense.
On June 30 2010 03:43 Chairman Ray wrote: To me, Apple is like ripped jeans.
They are both overpriced for what they bring to the table, and do not adequately serve their basic functions. Ripped jeans do not serve the basic clothing functions of keeping you covered, keeping you warm, and keeping you comfortable. Apple computers have such limited customization and compatibility that it cannot run a lot of popular games and applications.
Their stylishness is more of a lack of it. Although there are a few people that wear ripped jeans because they enjoy the look, the majority of people who wear them only wear them because everyone else is wearing them. They have absolutely no sense of style or fashion whatsoever and just like to follow the crowd. Apple computers only come in one style as well. There are a few people out there who likes the Apple style the best, but for most Apple users, there are styles that they would enjoy much more if they bothered to explore different PC cases.
They are completely incapable of anything higher level. Ripped jeans cannot be worn to anything formal, they don't make you look professional, heck you can't even wear them to work on casual friday. Apple computers do not let you change most parts, fix individual parts, and you have to buy an entire new computer if you want any sort of upgrade.
That is the worst analogy of Apple I have ever heard. Ripped jeans what? Nobody bests apple in design and few are just now catching up. Ripped jeans make absolutely no sense.
I seriously hate apple. Their products are very condescending. Initially the Ipod was great. I could use it as a mass storage device, play music, etc. Then came itunes, then DRM, then the iphone. The final straw came with the refusal of apple to add flash onto their products. It is not a question of technology or development. It is a question of control. Apple wants a closed platform in order to control their corner of the market and make everyone dependent on their standards. Apple's goal is not to provide something new or to revolutionize and they only do it when convenient. Apple is not a software company, apple is not a hardware company, apple is not even a computer company, they are a branding and marketing company first and foremost just as google is an advertising company.
When I was looking at buying a computer I had a few choices. 1. Buy an imac. 2. Buy a custom computer.
So i looked up the different specs comparing memory, processor speed, etc. When I found an imac and the pc that were comparable and the price difference was $800. The imac was $2200 and the pc $1400. The only difference was that I thought, oh i get mac tools with the mac, but wait, I can dual boot linux. Oh well. So yes, I bought the pc and I have loved it for the last 3 years.
They're essentially tapping into the "I want no fuss, I just want things to work." segment of the marketing pool, who also want to "I wanna be cool and not have any problems with how I roll." segment as a complement. :p That's why Apple works, you pay for "seamlessness" with their closed systems and not worry too much about things like viruses.
On June 30 2010 03:43 Chairman Ray wrote: To me, Apple is like ripped jeans.
They are both overpriced for what they bring to the table, and do not adequately serve their basic functions. Ripped jeans do not serve the basic clothing functions of keeping you covered, keeping you warm, and keeping you comfortable. Apple computers have such limited customization and compatibility that it cannot run a lot of popular games and applications.
Their stylishness is more of a lack of it. Although there are a few people that wear ripped jeans because they enjoy the look, the majority of people who wear them only wear them because everyone else is wearing them. They have absolutely no sense of style or fashion whatsoever and just like to follow the crowd. Apple computers only come in one style as well. There are a few people out there who likes the Apple style the best, but for most Apple users, there are styles that they would enjoy much more if they bothered to explore different PC cases.
They are completely incapable of anything higher level. Ripped jeans cannot be worn to anything formal, they don't make you look professional, heck you can't even wear them to work on casual friday. Apple computers do not let you change most parts, fix individual parts, and you have to buy an entire new computer if you want any sort of upgrade.
That is the worst analogy of Apple I have ever heard. Ripped jeans what? Nobody bests apple in design and few are just now catching up. Ripped jeans make absolutely no sense.
there you are wrong... on so many levels. If apple was unparalleled in design I wouldn't have had to build a cooling station for my macbook pro. There would be a way to completely turn off mouse acceleration. Applications could/would quit when you close the window. If you want a well designed system try linux.
... The only reason you don't worry about viruses on macs is because apple computers never had a large enough market for people to want to make viruses for them. It's not that hackers can't do it... it's just that they think it's not worth their time. The iphone was jailbroken on the first day....
hahahaha, I know a number of people like this, but not just for the iphone. People do this for the playstation, for american made cars, for beverage choices, for clothes, for anti-walmart sentiments (The annoying "I hate walmart" people), for people who only buy "green" stuff, etc. No wonder economics is so hard, when people make decisions based on brand preference, they are hurting the economy. Every Iphone you buy could have bought a starving family food for a year compared with a better phone.
On June 30 2010 20:11 THE_DOMINATOR wrote: ... The only reason you don't worry about viruses on macs is because apple computers never had a large enough market for people to want to make viruses for them. It's not that hackers can't do it... it's just that they think it's not worth their time.
I think OSX has traditionally been better than Windows (maybe even up to Windows 7) in terms of security, but what you said here definitely has merit.
On June 30 2010 03:43 Chairman Ray wrote: To me, Apple is like ripped jeans.
They are both overpriced for what they bring to the table, and do not adequately serve their basic functions. Ripped jeans do not serve the basic clothing functions of keeping you covered, keeping you warm, and keeping you comfortable. Apple computers have such limited customization and compatibility that it cannot run a lot of popular games and applications.
Their stylishness is more of a lack of it. Although there are a few people that wear ripped jeans because they enjoy the look, the majority of people who wear them only wear them because everyone else is wearing them. They have absolutely no sense of style or fashion whatsoever and just like to follow the crowd. Apple computers only come in one style as well. There are a few people out there who likes the Apple style the best, but for most Apple users, there are styles that they would enjoy much more if they bothered to explore different PC cases.
They are completely incapable of anything higher level. Ripped jeans cannot be worn to anything formal, they don't make you look professional, heck you can't even wear them to work on casual friday. Apple computers do not let you change most parts, fix individual parts, and you have to buy an entire new computer if you want any sort of upgrade.
That is the worst analogy of Apple I have ever heard. Ripped jeans what? Nobody bests apple in design and few are just now catching up. Ripped jeans make absolutely no sense.
there you are wrong... on so many levels. If apple was unparalleled in design I wouldn't have had to build a cooling station for my macbook pro. There would be a way to completely turn off mouse acceleration. Applications could/would quit when you close the window. If you want a well designed system try linux.
... The only reason you don't worry about viruses on macs is because apple computers never had a large enough market for people to want to make viruses for them. It's not that hackers can't do it... it's just that they think it's not worth their time. The iphone was jailbroken on the first day....
I guess the virus thing applies to linux too? No one thinks it's worth a damn to hack it?
Your first paragraph is wrong on so many levels. Yeah, I can do that too.
On June 30 2010 03:43 Chairman Ray wrote: To me, Apple is like ripped jeans.
They are both overpriced for what they bring to the table, and do not adequately serve their basic functions. Ripped jeans do not serve the basic clothing functions of keeping you covered, keeping you warm, and keeping you comfortable. Apple computers have such limited customization and compatibility that it cannot run a lot of popular games and applications.
Their stylishness is more of a lack of it. Although there are a few people that wear ripped jeans because they enjoy the look, the majority of people who wear them only wear them because everyone else is wearing them. They have absolutely no sense of style or fashion whatsoever and just like to follow the crowd. Apple computers only come in one style as well. There are a few people out there who likes the Apple style the best, but for most Apple users, there are styles that they would enjoy much more if they bothered to explore different PC cases.
They are completely incapable of anything higher level. Ripped jeans cannot be worn to anything formal, they don't make you look professional, heck you can't even wear them to work on casual friday. Apple computers do not let you change most parts, fix individual parts, and you have to buy an entire new computer if you want any sort of upgrade.
That is the worst analogy of Apple I have ever heard. Ripped jeans what? Nobody bests apple in design and few are just now catching up. Ripped jeans make absolutely no sense.
there you are wrong... on so many levels. If apple was unparalleled in design I wouldn't have had to build a cooling station for my macbook pro. There would be a way to completely turn off mouse acceleration. Applications could/would quit when you close the window. If you want a well designed system try linux.
... The only reason you don't worry about viruses on macs is because apple computers never had a large enough market for people to want to make viruses for them. It's not that hackers can't do it... it's just that they think it's not worth their time. The iphone was jailbroken on the first day....
I guess the virus thing applies to linux too? No one thinks it's worth a damn to hack it?
Your first paragraph is wrong on so many levels. Yeah, I can do that too.
Nobody wants to run a virus that will hurt less than 1% of the world's computers when the people using those computers are already nerds for the most part who actually know their way around the computer.
When it comes down to it, OS X doesn't have a large enough part of the market for people to direct viruses at it, but if viruses are directed at it, OS X does not have any of the anti-virus libraries that Windows does.
On June 30 2010 20:11 THE_DOMINATOR wrote: ... The only reason you don't worry about viruses on macs is because apple computers never had a large enough market for people to want to make viruses for them. It's not that hackers can't do it... it's just that they think it's not worth their time.
I think OSX has traditionally been better than Windows (maybe even up to Windows 7) in terms of security, but what you said here definitely has merit.
7 is actually better for security right now. I think Vista probably was as well. It mostly comes down to the user anyways, but I believe Win 7 + Chrome is the hardest to crack, while OSX + Safari is the easiest (as long as you're not talking about XP anymore.)
On June 30 2010 03:43 Chairman Ray wrote: To me, Apple is like ripped jeans.
They are both overpriced for what they bring to the table, and do not adequately serve their basic functions. Ripped jeans do not serve the basic clothing functions of keeping you covered, keeping you warm, and keeping you comfortable. Apple computers have such limited customization and compatibility that it cannot run a lot of popular games and applications.
Their stylishness is more of a lack of it. Although there are a few people that wear ripped jeans because they enjoy the look, the majority of people who wear them only wear them because everyone else is wearing them. They have absolutely no sense of style or fashion whatsoever and just like to follow the crowd. Apple computers only come in one style as well. There are a few people out there who likes the Apple style the best, but for most Apple users, there are styles that they would enjoy much more if they bothered to explore different PC cases.
They are completely incapable of anything higher level. Ripped jeans cannot be worn to anything formal, they don't make you look professional, heck you can't even wear them to work on casual friday. Apple computers do not let you change most parts, fix individual parts, and you have to buy an entire new computer if you want any sort of upgrade.
That is the worst analogy of Apple I have ever heard. Ripped jeans what? Nobody bests apple in design and few are just now catching up. Ripped jeans make absolutely no sense.
there you are wrong... on so many levels. If apple was unparalleled in design I wouldn't have had to build a cooling station for my macbook pro. There would be a way to completely turn off mouse acceleration. Applications could/would quit when you close the window. If you want a well designed system try linux.
... The only reason you don't worry about viruses on macs is because apple computers never had a large enough market for people to want to make viruses for them. It's not that hackers can't do it... it's just that they think it's not worth their time. The iphone was jailbroken on the first day....
He didn't say it was perfect, he just said the form factor is at the top level of design. The heatsink case could be better, but it's still damn fine design.
They are both overpriced for what they bring to the table, and do not adequately serve their basic functions. Ripped jeans do not serve the basic clothing functions of keeping you covered, keeping you warm, and keeping you comfortable. Apple computers have such limited customization and compatibility that it cannot run a lot of popular games and applications.
Their stylishness is more of a lack of it. Although there are a few people that wear ripped jeans because they enjoy the look, the majority of people who wear them only wear them because everyone else is wearing them. They have absolutely no sense of style or fashion whatsoever and just like to follow the crowd. Apple computers only come in one style as well. There are a few people out there who likes the Apple style the best, but for most Apple users, there are styles that they would enjoy much more if they bothered to explore different PC cases.
They are completely incapable of anything higher level. Ripped jeans cannot be worn to anything formal, they don't make you look professional, heck you can't even wear them to work on casual friday. Apple computers do not let you change most parts, fix individual parts, and you have to buy an entire new computer if you want any sort of upgrade.
I don't totally disagree, but couldn't the same be said of many of the people who have posted in this thread? A few people probably know Apple products inside and out and have reasons for disliking them, but the majority are probably just like "yeah hating on apple is cool apple is gay fuck steve jobs". Its the same idea.
Personally, if I could have either a PC or a Mac for the same price, I would choose a PC. But I do think that a lot of the Mac hate in this thread is over the top.
On June 30 2010 03:43 Chairman Ray wrote: To me, Apple is like ripped jeans.
They are both overpriced for what they bring to the table, and do not adequately serve their basic functions. Ripped jeans do not serve the basic clothing functions of keeping you covered, keeping you warm, and keeping you comfortable. Apple computers have such limited customization and compatibility that it cannot run a lot of popular games and applications.
Their stylishness is more of a lack of it. Although there are a few people that wear ripped jeans because they enjoy the look, the majority of people who wear them only wear them because everyone else is wearing them. They have absolutely no sense of style or fashion whatsoever and just like to follow the crowd. Apple computers only come in one style as well. There are a few people out there who likes the Apple style the best, but for most Apple users, there are styles that they would enjoy much more if they bothered to explore different PC cases.
They are completely incapable of anything higher level. Ripped jeans cannot be worn to anything formal, they don't make you look professional, heck you can't even wear them to work on casual friday. Apple computers do not let you change most parts, fix individual parts, and you have to buy an entire new computer if you want any sort of upgrade.
That is the worst analogy of Apple I have ever heard. Ripped jeans what? Nobody bests apple in design and few are just now catching up. Ripped jeans make absolutely no sense.
there you are wrong... on so many levels. If apple was unparalleled in design I wouldn't have had to build a cooling station for my macbook pro. There would be a way to completely turn off mouse acceleration. Applications could/would quit when you close the window. If you want a well designed system try linux.
... The only reason you don't worry about viruses on macs is because apple computers never had a large enough market for people to want to make viruses for them. It's not that hackers can't do it... it's just that they think it's not worth their time. The iphone was jailbroken on the first day....
He didn't say it was perfect, he just said the form factor is at the top level of design. The heatsink case could be better, but it's still damn fine design.
Actually it's a terrible design.
Heatsink on lap = bad Only Mini DisplayPort = bad Only 2 USB 2.0 = bad USB ports extremely close = bad
there are too many things Apple got wrong with that design.
On June 30 2010 18:15 Ciryandor wrote: They're essentially tapping into the "I want no fuss, I just want things to work." segment of the marketing pool, who also want to "I wanna be cool and not have any problems with how I roll." segment as a complement. :p That's why Apple works, you pay for "seamlessness" with their closed systems and not worry too much about things like viruses.
Granted you're probably talking about Macs and not necessarily iPods, and maybe they've significantly improved iTunes over the last few years, but trying to use iTunes years ago when I had an iPod was absolutely rage inducing. It was anything but "no fuss."
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