EPTrandom fun fact: VE hasn't posted a single thing in 21 hours and did waste his vote D1.
so I am kinda tired, but in a good mood and home earlier than expected... so let's do this.
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random fun fact: VE hasn't posted a single thing in 21 hours and did waste his vote D1. so I am kinda tired, but in a good mood and home earlier than expected... so let's do this. | ||
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FarahBlackwing
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You can't meta someone who has played one game before, its impossible to know how someone generally acts. Game is boring it still is toodles. | ||
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NocturneMage
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On November 18 2015 21:51 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm going to bed, but I still won't answer you moos because its in my filter. You can't meta someone who has played one game before, its impossible to know how someone generally acts. Game is boring it still is toodles. That's your response to his case? Seriously? I didn't like that either when he first listed it out, but what about the rest of his points? What about the points I brought up in my list post? I read your filter before I went to bed that night and I knew something felt off but I couldn't put my finger on it. I read filters prior to the lynch, and honestly I wasn't feeling the Breshke lynch was appropriate. Now that Moosy isn't dicking around apparently I'm really glad I didn't lynch him because I thought he had some valid points against you. | ||
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On November 18 2015 10:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also, disformation's read on me is bad because he should think I'm Mafia. I literally switched my read on him AGAIN and he doesn't pick up on it and instead focuses on defending himself. Super self consciousness to this extent is something that only Mafia would worry about as they're psychologically always on the defensive. Of course I did notice you switch on me. That was not the point. The point I didn't like your first switch was that you did do so without any explanation. This time around you posted: On November 18 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote: Posts like these are super weak and just serve to stir up lynch sentiment on someone else without actually committing to anything. Scum ping. On November 18 2015 07:45 MoosyDoosy wrote: Hello? What is with this post? You're explaining what you think town should feel and you're saying you feel that way? ??? Which clearly imply that you have a bunch of problems with some of my posts and it makes sense for you to scumread me. I still don't understand what you are trying to say in the second quote btw... You totally missing my point indicates that you have not the faintest idea of how I think or my thought process works. As such I would prefer if you would abstain from such ridiculous bullshit claims in the future. Thanks, sweetheart. <3 On November 18 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: Good bye again. disformation and FarahBlackwing are scum. I want them to answer these questions. Note the tone of that. The language suggest an order. You also flat out call me scum. So this combination just leaves me with three options:
You could say "well you could have simply posted your reads!". No. Not with this tone in your "question" for me. I had to take like 15mins to compose myself and not yell at you for using this tone. But since I think you are town I was trying to cooperate with you. On November 18 2015 11:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: Don't WIFOM roles as it becomes so confusing for everyone except scum but yes. disformation is scum. I will also explain why Farah is scum after she responds to my question. I was not around yesterday because it is so much better to read EoD1 from the view of an outside observer to easily pick out irregularities and spot out the obvious scum rather than panic in thread and have a colored read afterwards. Also because if I survive EoD1, it most of the times means town is at least semi-willing to put up with my bullshit which means I have to give my unconditional all in to the game from here on out. If you repeat that five times while making a handstand in front of a mirror, the mighty fairy Ticktock will descend from the heavens and bless me with a mafia role pm wrapped in rainbows. On November 18 2015 13:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ahhh, the beauty of playing like a b**ch D1 in order to get all the reads. Rather telling that you need to censor the description of your own playstyle. Incidentally you are my least favourite person to play mafia with and I am probably trying to ignore you for the reminder of the game. Feel free to scum read me for this, I am slowly but surely running out of fucks to give. Ace detective disformation time: There are probably still three Homunculi remaining. Case closed, let's get drunk. Honestly a beer would be great. Should probably look closely at farah's filter. | ||
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NocturneMage
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On November 18 2015 14:46 geript wrote: My points on Breshke covered this entirely. Breshke should not be read on his reads. It's about how he interacts with and acts in response to what's happening in the thread. Him blandly asking questions that go no where and lead to no conclusions is part of his scum meta. So what Trfel has pointed towards is specifically his scum meta and Trfel is trying to paint him town for it. I don't know Trfel and from what I remember of Breshke I don't recall from newbie 13 he was that impactful of a player. I assume you are saying Trfel's is playing beneath expectations since he should know Breshke's meta but I'll let him speak for himself. If I recall right one of Breshke's pushes was on a player (VE) who was largely afk. He kept pressing for questions. It was also fairly clear that thread leaders/etc were saying "trust us VE is town" or whatever so the chances of VE getting lynched were slim to zero. Can you or anyone tell me by your expectations what he should have done? Is there an expectation he should know Fecalfeast, scott or Moosy better? That might be the only way he could be scum but this is probably meta-based which is why when he initially brought up Fecalfeast I didn't think anything of it. I reconsidered considering my initial scumlean on him but not knowing anything else about him I felt the pushes and in general the second page of filter were towny. Am I missing something? | ||
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NocturneMage
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On November 18 2015 07:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: WOAH WOAH SOMEONE GO BACK AND CHECK THIS I told him that Shining is a player that afks for a few days of the week and so his vote to pressure would not have the intended effect. disformation promptly went to work reading filters. this is another example of town tells and mafia tells, yeah he "waffled" like shit and didn't come to conclusions or couldn't and maybe this is because scum don't want to take positions or expose partners maybe but he's demonstrating he is reading the thread and pulling out potential problems. and I think he's a relatively inexperienced player. do newbie scum typically do that? I've been told in the past the answer is no. the read on scott I felt the same thing - why didn't he follow up on Trfel? So that latter part is giving me hesitation in screaming fuck it disformation is mafia. Unless you are making the argument that he is posting just for the sake of posting. Because if you are, then that's a lot of shit he has to be putting up for the sake of putting it up. I mean that's a lot of shit, Moosy. I mean I was doing the same damn thing struggling to decide although I was at the bar at end of cycle so I couldn't post like that but the same principle applies. | ||
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Looking at the votes yesterday. Warning this will be a wall. Starting from yesterday afternoon approximately 7 hours before deadline we were at: On November 17 2015 22:13 LoneMeow wrote: Day 1 Votecount MoosyDoosy (3): The Shining (1): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes mooseydoosey (1): scott31337 (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): Not Voting (6): geript, scott31337, Breshke, The Shining, Trfel, FarahBlackwing It looks like MoosyDoosy will be facing the court-martial for treason in leading the vote with 3 votes! Voting is Mandatory! Do not forget to vote! Vote tracker may be found here. I will now continue to look at the votes that followed and the excuses/explanations for them.
Then Trfel comes in heavily advocating a scott lynch. Some shuffeling about starts and the fun continues:
Further Resarch Opportunities FF Laziest town ever or expert mafia lurker? VE Where did he gogo and when will he be back? Trfel Not vote related, but I found something I really do not like and will investigate. Conclusions Farah If I am but a leaf in the wind, then what is Farah? + Show Spoiler + scum! Like seriously I did waffle around a fair bit, but she is all over with her votes... The Shining He better start shitting town rainbows all over D2, cause I really dislike his EoD post. Looking at Farah's and Trfel's filters next. | ||
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If we have vig shoot Farah. Also Fecalfeast I don't think doc/vet is even possible given the OP. I need to afk for a few hours. | ||
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FarahBlackwing
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Based off the fact that I was bored of the thread because no one even made any effort to say anything more than hi and I decided to try to do something? Based off the fact that I made a read on moos that a lot of people had made some before but most after me. I don't care if people disagree with it its my read and its in my filter. And finally now people are saying I voted to much and that makes me scum. When you don't have a super strong case on someone and don't know who to sheep and you have two targets that you are ok with (scott and breshke) you don't really care which one. All I cared about was moos not being lynched which is why I said all we needed was dis or ritoky to switch to make it so. Anyway all the scum reads on me are crap. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:59 The Shining wrote: I kind of dont wanna lynch Scott just because of past games. Like I don't really like any of his posts, but I've felt that way before because of his activity and seemingly unexplained posts and reads, especially on D1, and he flipped town more than once. Maybe I'm just scared here. But off this game alone, he's on the scum side of null. It doesn't really feel like he's trying to figure out the game, I agree, but I'm not in much position to judge activity wise. Eversince is not here and still voting Farah. I really don't like it but what can I do when there's a medical excuse involved? And maybe I was nitpicking on her Farrah read, whatever, but I was under the impression a metaread is a read based on how someone played in a past game/games, which is what she did. But I'm not gonna beat a dead horse. Moosy martyring is horribad and he did in fact do this last game but he isn't voting. That's a modkill risk, anyway. I just hope to god if he is town he actually starts playing if he isn't lynched or modkilled here because if we have to carry that into D2 and I end up in triple lylo again, I'm blaming him. Farrah feels town, but not as lock town as I had her last game. The last few posts make me feel better about her, even with the switching back and forth on votes. I don't think scum is going to do that unless one is in fact her scum mate but she wants to apparently lynch both so idk. I honestly don't know what Fecal's done but he was lazy this early last game and ended up helping me figure out the game so idk about him. Null with a slight possibility of lazy town. Trfel has gotten a lot better since my initial suspicion on him, even though a lot of it recently seems to be centered on Scott. Disfo's waffliness seems to be off, although I can kind of understand his hesitance on me since he TRd me at first but had nothing to go off on me since I disappeared until now. But he's voting Scott now so idk if it's scum possibly bussing if Scott is scum or if Scott is really gonna flip town D1 again after this. TLDR I'd lynch Scott, ES, maybe disfo or ff but I'm really iffy on the last 2. ##Vote:Scott31337 Again this was super rushed and I know I have a lot of nulls/town leans but I had a lot to read in a little bit of time so I mostly skimmed filters. I'll be able to do a lot more this night phase and at work tomorrow if I get the chance Hmmmm it reads as if he really had no idea whom to vote for. | ||
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On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote: Wait, what the heck? This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here. Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town. Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas. He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia. So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched? I don't like this one bit. Isn't that whole post basically a fear read on geript? Fear reads are bad mkay. Is he trying to sow distraction? Not a fan but I need to read his filter for conclusions. | ||
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On November 18 2015 21:51 FarahBlackwing wrote: I'm going to bed, but I still won't answer you moos because its in my filter. You can't meta someone who has played one game before, its impossible to know how someone generally acts. Game is boring it still is toodles. I'm going to bed... Toodles which means um... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=toodles ..ah good bye? I post a scum read on her based on her voting like 1h50min after that. 4 minutes after my post she posts: On November 18 2015 23:47 FarahBlackwing wrote: Not really going to explain away a case that doesn't make anyone scum? Its based around the fact he thinks that i'm super serious and wouldn't make that play off one game. Based off the fact that I was bored of the thread because no one even made any effort to say anything more than hi and I decided to try to do something? Based off the fact that I made a read on moos that a lot of people had made some before but most after me. I don't care if people disagree with it its my read and its in my filter. And finally now people are saying I voted to much and that makes me scum. When you don't have a super strong case on someone and don't know who to sheep and you have two targets that you are ok with (scott and breshke) you don't really care which one. All I cared about was moos not being lynched which is why I said all we needed was dis or ritoky to switch to make it so. Anyway all the scum reads on me are crap. Can't sleep or just lurking? You are currently not gaining any townie brownies. Just sayin'. | ||
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I spend like straight up 2 hours and a bit on this, time to take a break eat something and clear my head. Will continue later. | ||
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NocturneMage
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On November 17 2015 11:12 NocturneMage wrote: It's past 2am and I really need to stop now. List post so I know where to pick up later - Town: ritoky - right now, strongest town read Probably town: geript (assuming read/followup on Trfel makes sense) Townlean: Shining - seemed opinionated enough but need to revisit interaction with Eversince Trfel - had no issues with the case or his follow up to VE, although my one reservation on him is how he goes form post 523 on VE to "probably not mafia" to later in his filter to 583 where he cites Scott and VE as standing out for him to lynch. So that is a gap in explanation that needs to be sorted. Breshke - answers to my questions were satisfactory and is pressuring VE for answers. I also notice he is engaging his scumreads and trying to resolve them. VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes - I'm really trying not to be a dick here, but I really cannot understand this guy's play but if I can work him out I'll work with him. Answering Breshke's questions and providing more reads would help. Null: Eversince - just couldn't get around to her today. disformation - there are legitimate town and mafia tells but I would use another day to work on him Fecalfeast - he didn't explain the reads early game, but he openly admitted he was lazy. seems intent on lynching scott and putting pressure on Moosy to play the game which is towny though. My gut says town, but I could be wrong. Scumlean scott - list post was adequate for entrance and reminded me of his past town games or no different, but lack of additional input will move him down on my list. Lack of followup on Trfel is meh. Updates on other reads would help. FarahBlackwing - This is another player I'm seeing both town and mafia attributes but more of the second here. Didn't like her opening and lack of explanation on her reaction test. I didn't agree with post 299 on the lack of emotion because I sensed emotion in his posts. I disagree with her meta (second game ever!) on Shining but I also agreed with her read formation on VE, which makes sense for a new player. She didn't actually provide a read on MoosyDoosy other than frustration. And her final post (594) I don't see how she's townreading Eversince and then calling the exchange odd and saying "some things don't feel forced". Likely mafia: MoosyDoosy - didn't like his entrance, didn't like his martyring (self-meta), didn't like his use of meta, even after explanation, and the push on Farah was just hilariously wrong. ##unvote Folks, if there's shit I missed reading or whatever or if I read something wrong, let me know. I'm coming in on an off day and I plan to lie in a bit tomorrow, but there's a few people I still need to read and follow up on. should be around for the end of the cycle. Good night everyone. Alright, so I need to retrace Farah, and look into more of my null reads. Still also grappling with geript versus Trfel but it wouldn't surprise me in the end if it was town vs town. I think if Trfel could give more reads it might be a bit more helpful. I still don't understand how Farah doesn't like the meta read but uses it on Shining. Was obviously wrong on Scott, probably wrong on Moosy now. I have too many question marks at the moment. Please there better be a cop this game. | ||
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Now seriously afk....this game is a bit addictive xD | ||
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On November 19 2015 00:15 FarahBlackwing wrote: oh shove it, just because I work third shift and took a nap so I could spend some amount of time with Damdred today on our day off doesn't mean i'm scum lurking. Fair enough. I am back and again instead of reading Farah's or Trfel's filters I am going to do something else, cause I found something shiny! Still plan on reading those filters eventually though. :p | ||
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