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Alright, MoosyDoosy
#370 - this is stuff he could easily talk about and the question on Shining is something that could be easily explained in his filter. #396 does dick all for anyone trying to determine his alignment.
Vote on Farah is out of nowhere, so don't really like that either. Zero direction with what he's doing so far. At least geript has some direction even if I can't understand dick all right now for the reasoning.
##vote MoosyDoosy
I'll re-visit the Ever/Shining/etc interactions after seminar folks. Hopefully others will be around in a few hours.
Fecalfeast at first glance is also dick all, but he's also upfront about being lazy, so it's not like he's trying to hide it (the lazy/GTA comments). Null for now.
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Alright, one last post.
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.
So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.
Eh, Fecal is lurking and he's admitting it. So I also don't know where you are getting "actively engaging from" other than actually giving four early reads (30/361) and asking Moosy one question.
I would think a mafia player wouldn't be so obvious unless this is a proven scum meta of his. The GTA comment is NAI, not sure why "old" games make the post hard to believe unless you know this guy out of game.
I also don't know whether you missed it but how you could, at this stage of the game, lynch him over Moosy.
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EBWOP - typo
"....other than actually giving four early reads (360/361) and asking Moosy..."
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I'm awake,
Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.
1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.
2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.
3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.
4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.
I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either.
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I'm here and catching up 
On November 16 2015 06:13 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:09 Trfel wrote:On November 16 2015 05:50 geript wrote:
I'm not voting for VE ever. You're going to need to explain this. Read other VE games. He's really easy to read when he gets semi active. Part of it is based in the fact that VE and I scum hunt rather differently. He takes on an egocentric (in the technical sense not in the asshole sense) view of other players; i.e. How he acts when he's scum and applies it to them. So when you see him jump on certain things in an accusatory way (especially when he's not trying to assream them) he's almost always town.
From the games I've observed of VE - this is fairly spot on - He also shows a lot more emotion/caps/etc as town. From geript's first message I thought it could be a pocket, but I'm going to slight townlean/not lynching on both of them for now.
I've read Trfel's "case" twice and I'm still not seeing it -
On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:VisceraEyesVisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch?
Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.
Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this. This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance.
I'm really not sure what to make of this - and it was coincidentally after geript's "do something or you die post".... mmm
I'll see if this is explained more farther down in the thread.
On November 16 2015 06:28 geript wrote:
That trfel post is really, really terrible.
I'm not off then.
Trfel and Moosy would be my top lynches right now - Eversince 3rd - I'm just not seeing that town spark with all the posting.
I thought Breshke's first post asking questions was okay but then fell off.
Ritoky/VE/Geript top towns
NM/FBW/The Shining not lynching right now but want to see more
Breshke/FF in the meh category
##Vote: Trfel
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On November 16 2015 23:01 NocturneMage wrote:
I have no problem with Trfel's read on VE btw, I don't know how VE can say in #263 "with so many having posted" not knowing how he plays otherwise, that is a pretty decent way to take attention off himself and out of context just reading that at face value. The next few posts in response to Shining are meh.
I know geript is using meta to read VE but I'm not really understanding how he can say that about Shining without making reads on others that have posted. I'll keep reading though...
From my side, I see it more as trying to throw some really weak non-sticky turds and see if the townies will bite and run with it - It failed. Did you get anything out from VE or Trfel on it though?
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One seminar down, but I have a second one coming up, so let me jump in here real quick, since now I'm seeing three town meta reads on VE and VE's last post made me scratch my head a few times.
I mean if VE is town or if the entire game is going to town read him based on meta, I'm just going to put him in his own category (and not lynch him obviously) until I can understand the guy better or find a valid reason to rule him as mafia by process of elimination.
I'm reading Trfel's case and the only issue is that he doesn't explicitly say "this guy is mafia" or "this guy is a mafia lean" but from reading his case (particularly the final sentence), he's inferring a mafia lean, so I could pick that up.
Again, same question to you Scott that I asked of geript, how are you determining that Trfel just isn't ignorant of VE's play and Trfel's play is actually mafia play?
If people are not understanding what I'm trying to ask here then look at where I asked geript the same question because I looked at the database as well and a few Trfel games and I can't understand the basis for that read.
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On November 17 2015 00:57 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 23:01 NocturneMage wrote:
I have no problem with Trfel's read on VE btw, I don't know how VE can say in #263 "with so many having posted" not knowing how he plays otherwise, that is a pretty decent way to take attention off himself and out of context just reading that at face value. The next few posts in response to Shining are meh.
I know geript is using meta to read VE but I'm not really understanding how he can say that about Shining without making reads on others that have posted. I'll keep reading though... From my side, I see it more as trying to throw some really weak non-sticky turds and see if the townies will bite and run with it - It failed. Did you get anything out from VE or Trfel on it though?
Ignoring anyone's meta reads, VE doesn't seem so towny to me, and now I see his last post prior to voting Fecalfeast saying oh he wasn't so serious (cereal, I'm assuming) so now it goes back to Trfel to follow up on this. Even then I'm looking at VE's post and that reason to lynch Fecalfeast over MoosyDoosy and honestly my first reaction to that is WTF.
On Trfel, I did not see anything malicious and especially if Trfel cannot read VE then I'd say a slight town lean but apparently geript has some extra piece of information that I'm clearly not seeing to say otherwise (to be fair we do agree on Moosy and ritoky so far and his opening on Farah was towny, so...)
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Second seminar soon, so I'm ducking out again.
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And yes Scott I see you ninjaed my question in 427, no problem.
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I am here... kinda. Huge headache... 
Still caught up to stuff an will start answering a few things.
But before that: townread for NocturneMage. I like his posts so far and he looks really different from NSM13 (where he was maffay).
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On November 17 2015 02:04 disformation wrote:I am here... kinda. Huge headache... Still caught up to stuff an will start answering a few things. But before that: townread for NocturneMage. I like his posts so far and he looks really different from NSM13 (where he was maffay).
Can you comment on Trfel vs VE? There was one post where I asked you a question about Trfel and you (unlike geript and scott) are not in a position to meta him or VE. You said he had a strange reaction so what jumped out at you?
Also what do you make of MoosyDoosy so far? I know at the very least you have played at least one game with him (possibly more?) I was mafia in newbie 13, you both were town.
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On November 16 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 08:04 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:On November 16 2015 05:59 geript wrote:
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So what's your read and how did you reach it? Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in. Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. quoting for empty promise potential. Should have said "maybe, if two suns rise tomorrow morning will I look at some past games." Nah, for realz, he only has two maffay games in the database, so I will be looking at those next. Despite me saying that I don't recall playing with The Shining we were both town in NSM IX. So I am currently reading both our filters from that game trying to recall stuff. that's cool, i expect content later though. however before you finish that i am more interested on your thoughts on the actual game, not how it relates to previous games. who do you think is town? who is mafia? who is bad? who's ego is too big? y'kno....the usual Fair enough. Since I haven't played with the shining much, I am not that confident I will find amazing things in those old games. But I did try and pressure him in NSM9 a few times because I felt like he wasn't doing much. He was town in this game. So I am already not too sure about the meta read. His filter length in "Battle of the Drams", where he was mafia, is pretty similar to the one in NSM9, too... Well, back to this game: As stated before I have a town lean on geript for driving the game and prodding ppl into explaining stuff. Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. FF: null. Only reaction so far is to me having his name in a post. Lurking?ritoky: Getting an investigating/engaging/driving the thread feel, so town lean. The early discussion stuff with Eversince, Farah, The Shining and VE was a bit strange to me, since I read the early posts by Eversince and Farah as jokes to get stuff going (well: mission accomplished). Not sure about VE, but both ppl I have as a town lean, say he is town based on meta, so I'll probably be a lazy cunt and sheep them (for now). yo geript, what do you think of the bolded? like...why was it included?
Thoughtprocess at the time: Did I miss something? Oh, yeah FF posted stuff.... but that was super null? But didn't he react to my one post, so he has to be around a bit? Lurking?
I can understand why it looks as forced, since I was kinda looking for stuff on a player that was super null at the time.
*shrugs*
On November 16 2015 15:16 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 08:09 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 08:04 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 07:51 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 06:17 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 06:13 FarahBlackwing wrote:On November 16 2015 06:08 disformation wrote:On November 16 2015 06:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:
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Shining is town based on general activity, somewhat emotional responses based on things happening in game. His posts sound like someone struggling o try to get his point across rather than someone trying to fit in.
Pretty sure he's town at least for now. Do you mean to say that Shining posts much more as town? Could someone else confirm this? Don't remember playing with Shining. From reading his past games he is slightly more posty but he's more mechanical as scum and lacks emotional responses about in game situations and it generally comes later after post a than in sync with the thread. This view comes from research and talking with people who know how to read him Alright, thanks. Will probably have to look at a few Shining maffay games myself. quoting for empty promise potential. Should have said "maybe, if two suns rise tomorrow morning will I look at some past games." Nah, for realz, he only has two maffay games in the database, so I will be looking at those next. Despite me saying that I don't recall playing with The Shining we were both town in NSM IX. So I am currently reading both our filters from that game trying to recall stuff. that's cool, i expect content later though. however before you finish that i am more interested on your thoughts on the actual game, not how it relates to previous games. who do you think is town? who is mafia? who is bad? who's ego is too big? y'kno....the usual Fair enough. Since I haven't played with the shining much, I am not that confident I will find amazing things in those old games. But I did try and pressure him in NSM9 a few times because I felt like he wasn't doing much. He was town in this game. So I am already not too sure about the meta read. His filter length in "Battle of the Drams", where he was mafia, is pretty similar to the one in NSM9, too... Well, back to this game: As stated before I have a town lean on geript for driving the game and prodding ppl into explaining stuff. Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated. FF: null. Only reaction so far is to me having his name in a post. Lurking?ritoky: Getting an investigating/engaging/driving the thread feel, so town lean. The early discussion stuff with Eversince, Farah, The Shining and VE was a bit strange to me, since I read the early posts by Eversince and Farah as jokes to get stuff going (well: mission accomplished). Not sure about VE, but both ppl I have as a town lean, say he is town based on meta, so I'll probably be a lazy cunt and sheep them (for now). yo geript, what do you think of the bolded? like...why was it included? I'm 99% sure I've coached disinformation. I just can't remember if it was as scum or town. I really want to look at that before I give a full read on him. The bolded doesn't terribly mark me either way other than the question mark. He's made what would seem to be questions out of statements a few times. He kinda bugs me a bit but without going back to see how he thinks it's hard to say if it's scummy or just bad play. Right now. 7/7---VE/Ritoky 6/7-- 5/7-- 4.5/7--Farah 4/7--everyone else 3.5/7--Breshke 3/7--Disinfo 2/7--Trfel 1/7--Moosy I'm seriously like 99% sure moosy is scum.
Yes, you coached me in NSM13. Was VT that game. Link to my filter is in my profile.
I don't really get what you mean with "He's made what would seem to be questions out of statements a few times." but for some reason I like softening my reads and stuff, so that may come from that. xD
On November 16 2015 15:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 15:50 ritoky wrote:On November 16 2015 15:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:On November 16 2015 15:42 ritoky wrote:
why does you playing on other sites render meta worthless exactly? I can give you links to games for reference if you desire, but my play has changed a ton than what it usually was. okay, with your new improved play; could you tell me who is mafia or town? It's not necessarily improved but: Farah disformation Shining geript
Would be really interested in the reasons behind the geript maffay read.
On November 16 2015 23:34 NocturneMage wrote:
Alright, so ritoky is certainly town for 362, I'm moving geript back to null until he can explain why he thinks the Trfel push is malicious, not seeing further explanation yet in his filter.
disformation why is Trfel's post "strange"? You are a newer player like myself so ignoring meta, can you expand on what you thought was wrong with it?
I can try.
So TS posts this:
On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him. I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him.
A few mins later Trfel posts this:
On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:VisceraEyesVisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch?
Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard? No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia. On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me. After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town. + Show Spoiler +On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known. On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.
Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird. And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3 Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this. This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance.
Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja...
Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets.
What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me."
Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post.
Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.
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On November 17 2015 02:19 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 02:04 disformation wrote:I am here... kinda. Huge headache... Still caught up to stuff an will start answering a few things. But before that: townread for NocturneMage. I like his posts so far and he looks really different from NSM13 (where he was maffay). Can you comment on Trfel vs VE? There was one post where I asked you a question about Trfel and you (unlike geript and scott) are not in a position to meta him or VE. You said he had a strange reaction so what jumped out at you? Also what do you make of MoosyDoosy so far? I know at the very least you have played at least one game with him (possibly more?) I was mafia in newbie 13, you both were town.
The strange Trfel thing is in the wall I just posted... should maye have split that in different posts.
Yes, we three were in NSM 13.... Wow! Just noticed that Breshke was in that game, too! xD
MoosyDoosy hasn't done a lot this game so far and is in dire need of explaining his reads. Is he different from what I remember of NSM13? Yes, but I don't think that is necessarily alignment indicative.
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This is hard. The thought of buddying never would have come across in my mind on the first read, but since you've lined it up that way, that is a very good find otherwise. In any case, like I said to Scott, I think to see the followup (and maybe other reads at this point) and take it from there. A null read is reasonable though although still would like the geript explanation on why it's seemingly (exclusively) indicative of being scum.
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So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF
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I'm going to head for a run and get some food, will return after that.
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On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF
Should add at least a bit of reasoning:
All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions.
(MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.)
Other thoughts:
Eversince will probably just get a pass from me for D1 because of the surgeries along with some points for trying to be here and do stuff.
I didn't mind Farah, but want to see more in the near future.
Still a bit waffly (btw: for ppl that don't know me: I am The Waffleboy) on The Shining, but he is a town lean for me atm.
Also waffly about Breshke.
Kinda liked scotts entry, so townlean unless he just vanishes for the rest of the day. I know scott is a low volume poster and I have a bit of a problem with that, since it often leads to me feeling like I don't see a proper read progression.
NocturneMage, geript, ritoky and VE town.
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So next step would be to look at my three suspects again and try to figure out, which one I do like the least and put my vote there. Short break though.
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Oh just remembered something:
@MoosyDoosy:
Wasn't your way of playing town to get town reads, buddy/pocket some ppl and then try and find mafia in the remaining ppl? You said so yourself in NSM13. So far you just threw out a bunch of unexplained maffay reads.
Is this one of the parts of your meta that has changed?
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