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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 20:54 GMT
#461
Like repeatedly failing to see what most everyone else sees, that I'm town and winning, is making you look slow. You're not a slow guy are you Trfel?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 20:58 GMT
#462
On November 17 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote:
So you're saying that Breshke is suspicious because he's not focusing on the important things in the thread, at the time that he was there?

I guess my question back to you is, how do you determine what the important things in the thread are? Isn't that a matter of opinion?

I'll take a look at the context again, this kind of read is definitely valid and can be very powerful, but it's also extremely subjective, which makes it so, so difficult to apply correctly.


You have a point with the second sentence but when you read Breshke's filter, he talks about geript and VE "grilling" him. So he mentions them at the very least. It can be assumed that he's at least read and he makes a read on Shining but fails to take a stance on geript and VE.

Now, I realise there are a lot of Americans in this game and maybe the word "grilling" has a different meaning or a different context to some people but he clearly has an opinion on what is happening but doesn't focus on VE one way whereas other people are. He even says geript taunts him (post 377) but doesn't focus further. Like in his world, something should have tipped him off. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

MoosyDoosy was not quite as active so he might get a pass if he may have failed to notice but
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 20:59 GMT
#463
On November 17 2015 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Trfel stop failing and find mafia.


Can you explain your read on Fecalfeast?
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 21:00 GMT
#464
edit: last sentence at Trfel - Moosy not quite as active, but there's no way he couldn't have followed up on VE/geript.
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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 21:02 GMT
#465
It's already 9pm. I need to afk, get some things done, and I'll try and pop back in before it gets terribly late.
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 16 2015 21:04 GMT
#466
On November 17 2015 05:58 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote:
So you're saying that Breshke is suspicious because he's not focusing on the important things in the thread, at the time that he was there?

I guess my question back to you is, how do you determine what the important things in the thread are? Isn't that a matter of opinion?

I'll take a look at the context again, this kind of read is definitely valid and can be very powerful, but it's also extremely subjective, which makes it so, so difficult to apply correctly.


You have a point with the second sentence but when you read Breshke's filter, he talks about geript and VE "grilling" him. So he mentions them at the very least. It can be assumed that he's at least read and he makes a read on Shining but fails to take a stance on geript and VE.

Now, I realise there are a lot of Americans in this game and maybe the word "grilling" has a different meaning or a different context to some people but he clearly has an opinion on what is happening but doesn't focus on VE one way whereas other people are. He even says geript taunts him (post 377) but doesn't focus further. Like in his world, something should have tipped him off. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

MoosyDoosy was not quite as active so he might get a pass if he may have failed to notice but
On November 17 2015 06:00 NocturneMage wrote:
edit: last sentence at Trfel - Moosy not quite as active, but there's no way he couldn't have followed up on VE/geript.
Breshke, please answer this.

NocturneMage, I think I see what you're getting at now. I'd like to see Breshke answer first.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 16 2015 21:07 GMT
#467
On November 17 2015 05:44 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote:
Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain.


On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote:
I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game.


I'm going ahead and respond to both of that.
Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative.
I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine...

His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads.

While we are at that:
##vote MoosyDoosy
@MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question.


I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm.
Scott31337 didn't explain his reads, though. All he really said is that he didn't understand my post, and provided a bunch of weird reads on everyone else.

Here's disinformation's first two posts on me (Trfel):
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote:
Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated.
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:
Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.
Twenty minutes later (in which time I did not post), he posts this:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF


Should add at least a bit of reasoning:
All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions.
(MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.)
How did disformation get from "I don't know about Trfel" to "Trfel is a top lynch" without any posts from me or explanation in between?

Combined with the random townread of scott31337, I'm suspicious.

One more thing to add, disformation's been very active this game post-wise, but hasn't provided many reads. The first time he provided reads was when someone asked him. He seems to be excited to play, chomping at the bit to start the game, but instead of playing he's mostly commenting and questioning, and seems to be somewhat avoiding sharing his own reads.


Meh.
Hm? Well you just happend to be one the three ppl I liked the least. My suspicions on you were posted.
Also don't think my town lean on scott is random, but I should probably rethink scott, if he continues to not post.
I also don't understand the bold part... if commenting and questioning is not playing, then can you please explain how to play?
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
November 16 2015 21:08 GMT
#468
On November 17 2015 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Trfel stop failing and find mafia.


Who do you think is mafia right now?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 21:09 GMT
#469
Seriously VE? Ad hominem aside...

On November 17 2015 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like repeatedly failing to see what most everyone else sees, that I'm town and winning, is making you look slow. You're not a slow guy are you Trfel?


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Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 21:12 GMT
#470
On November 17 2015 06:08 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Trfel stop failing and find mafia.


Who do you think is mafia right now?


I think we need a little pressure. I'll be back.

##vote VisceraEyes
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 21:12 GMT
#471
Oops.

##unvote
##vote VisceraEyes
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 16 2015 21:16 GMT
#472
On November 17 2015 06:07 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:44 Trfel wrote:
On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote:
Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain.


On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote:
I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game.


I'm going ahead and respond to both of that.
Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative.
I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine...

His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads.

While we are at that:
##vote MoosyDoosy
@MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question.


I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm.
Scott31337 didn't explain his reads, though. All he really said is that he didn't understand my post, and provided a bunch of weird reads on everyone else.

Here's disinformation's first two posts on me (Trfel):
On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote:
Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated.
On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:
Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.
Twenty minutes later (in which time I did not post), he posts this:
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF
On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF


Should add at least a bit of reasoning:
All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions.
(MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.)
How did disformation get from "I don't know about Trfel" to "Trfel is a top lynch" without any posts from me or explanation in between?

Combined with the random townread of scott31337, I'm suspicious.

One more thing to add, disformation's been very active this game post-wise, but hasn't provided many reads. The first time he provided reads was when someone asked him. He seems to be excited to play, chomping at the bit to start the game, but instead of playing he's mostly commenting and questioning, and seems to be somewhat avoiding sharing his own reads.


Meh.
Hm? Well you just happend to be one the three ppl I liked the least. My suspicions on you were posted.
Also don't think my town lean on scott is random, but I should probably rethink scott, if he continues to not post.
I also don't understand the bold part... if commenting and questioning is not playing, then can you please explain how to play?
Looking closer, I think I see what you're saying in the first part. I misinterpreted your post about the people you don't like.

My words were poorly chosen there, playing does include commenting and questioning, I should have said "pushing".

Do you have any thoughts on Fecalfeast's latest post(s)? (I forget how many posts he made and I'm too lazy to look)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 16 2015 21:24 GMT
#473
Yeah, I'm either missing something quite large or VisceraEyes is mafia.

His recent posts point to the former.
On November 17 2015 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Trfel stop failing and find mafia.
On November 17 2015 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like repeatedly failing to see what most everyone else sees, that I'm town and winning, is making you look slow. You're not a slow guy are you Trfel?
First post suggests that I'm town, second post suggests that I'm mafia (I didn't post in between). No conclusion at all, no push. No comments on anything else, didn't even respond to my case.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 16 2015 21:25 GMT
#474
Anyway, I need to head out now, and then I'd probably try to catch up and study for my exams. I don't think I'll be online at the deadline tomorrow, I have class at that time on Tuesdays, sorry. I'll do my best to check in Tuesday morning.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 16 2015 21:26 GMT
#475
On November 17 2015 06:16 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 06:07 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 05:44 Trfel wrote:
On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote:
Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain.


On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote:
I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game.


I'm going ahead and respond to both of that.
Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative.
I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine...

His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads.

While we are at that:
##vote MoosyDoosy
@MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question.


I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm.
Scott31337 didn't explain his reads, though. All he really said is that he didn't understand my post, and provided a bunch of weird reads on everyone else.

Here's disinformation's first two posts on me (Trfel):
On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote:
Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated.
On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:
Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.
Twenty minutes later (in which time I did not post), he posts this:
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF
On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF


Should add at least a bit of reasoning:
All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions.
(MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.)
How did disformation get from "I don't know about Trfel" to "Trfel is a top lynch" without any posts from me or explanation in between?

Combined with the random townread of scott31337, I'm suspicious.

One more thing to add, disformation's been very active this game post-wise, but hasn't provided many reads. The first time he provided reads was when someone asked him. He seems to be excited to play, chomping at the bit to start the game, but instead of playing he's mostly commenting and questioning, and seems to be somewhat avoiding sharing his own reads.


Meh.
Hm? Well you just happend to be one the three ppl I liked the least. My suspicions on you were posted.
Also don't think my town lean on scott is random, but I should probably rethink scott, if he continues to not post.
I also don't understand the bold part... if commenting and questioning is not playing, then can you please explain how to play?
Looking closer, I think I see what you're saying in the first part. I misinterpreted your post about the people you don't like.

My words were poorly chosen there, playing does include commenting and questioning, I should have said "pushing".

Do you have any thoughts on Fecalfeast's latest post(s)? (I forget how many posts he made and I'm too lazy to look)


Yeah, you are right. I could be pushing more. This is one of the aspects to my town game that I need to improve.
FF has like 8 posts. Most of them are like "only skimming / lurking hardcore". He put out a few reads, but hardly explained any of them. His last list is basically without any explanation besides that he likes your case on VE.
On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet

I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure.

town:
ritoky
trfel
nocturne

mafia:
moose
ve


that's all I got


So yeah I am not impressed by FF so far.^^
Options are "super lazy town" and "scum trying to coast by on minimal work". Though his tone is a bit too up front lazy that I am not sure maffay would do this. But this could be what maffay would want me to think.

@FF:
what happened to:
"farah is town, geript is town, ever is towny..."
Sill valid?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 16 2015 21:33 GMT
#476
Wow. Kinda missed That MoosyDoosy is even voting for Farah, with 0 explanation. Oo
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 22:10 GMT
#477
On November 17 2015 05:59 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Trfel stop failing and find mafia.


Can you explain your read on Fecalfeast?

Would lynch. What is there to explain?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 22:11 GMT
#478
I didn't ever imply that you are mafia Trfel, so now in addition to being wrong you can add making shit up to your list of accolades!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 22:12 GMT
#479
On November 17 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:
Yeah, I'm either missing something quite large or VisceraEyes is mafia.

His recent posts point to the former.
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Trfel stop failing and find mafia.
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like repeatedly failing to see what most everyone else sees, that I'm town and winning, is making you look slow. You're not a slow guy are you Trfel?
First post suggests that I'm town, second post suggests that I'm mafia (I didn't post in between). No conclusion at all, no push. No comments on anything else, didn't even respond to my case.


I don't think he's calling you mafia, but rather just calling you bad "slow", I just thought it was an ad hom that wasn't alignment indicative in of itself.

Anyhow, I'm going to turn my attention to VE.

So VE, what are your reads (scott's question) and why lynch Fecalfeast over MoosyDoosy?
And if Trfel's case sucks, why?

Going against the majority is generally a town trait and here you are saying "like repeatedly failing to see what most everyone sees", the latter makes it easier for scum to hide I would argue. Now you aren't intentionally saying he's doing so, so what is the point of your pushback on him?

Also you are calling Trfel "slow" and inferring he is bad at this game or at least wrong on your alignment.

Now I have another question for you VE.

If you are town, what does that say to you about geript who is inferring that Trfel's game is (at this point in time) exclusively scummy?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 22:12 GMT
#480
On November 17 2015 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:59 NocturneMage wrote:
On November 17 2015 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Trfel stop failing and find mafia.


Can you explain your read on Fecalfeast?

Would lynch. What is there to explain?


You ninjaed me but see the question in my next (now most recent) post, why him over MoosyDoosy?
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