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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 22:15 GMT
#481
Like I'm not responding to your case because you have decided on a conclusion and you are twisting everything to fit that narrative. You don't even consider a Towne motivation, you are just sure I'm mafia. And you are wrong. So yes, I'm not wasting time responding to a case when A) is not convincing anyone and B) it wouldn't make a difference one way or the other where you are concerned.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 16 2015 22:16 GMT
#482
On November 17 2015 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I'm not responding to your case because you have decided on a conclusion and you are twisting everything to fit that narrative. You don't even consider a Towne motivation, you are just sure I'm mafia. And you are wrong. So yes, I'm not wasting time responding to a case when A) is not convincing anyone and B) it wouldn't make a difference one way or the other where you are concerned.
Which of your posts were jokes and which of your posts were serious?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 22:17 GMT
#483
I have no reason to prefer Fecal to Mossy. Aside from having played more with Fecal, but with so little content that hardly matters. It's a flavor thing, I noticed Fecal first.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 22:18 GMT
#484
VE, this is the post in question, and in detail, why I had issues with it, full context.

On November 17 2015 00:00 NocturneMage wrote:
Alright, one last post.

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I'm back!

##Unvote

I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.

The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.

So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.


Eh, Fecal is lurking and he's admitting it. So I also don't know where you are getting "actively engaging from" other than actually giving four early reads (30/361) and asking Moosy one question.

I would think a mafia player wouldn't be so obvious unless this is a proven scum meta of his. The GTA comment is NAI, not sure why "old" games make the post hard to believe unless you know this guy out of game.

I also don't know whether you missed it but how you could, at this stage of the game, lynch him over Moosy.

Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 22:18 GMT
#485
No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 22:19 GMT
#486
On November 17 2015 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have no reason to prefer Fecal to Mossy. Aside from having played more with Fecal, but with so little content that hardly matters. It's a flavor thing, I noticed Fecal first.


So if I understand you correctly you are saying that Fecalfeast normally posts more or has more (meaningful???) content as town?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 22:21 GMT
#487
I at least know who he finds suspicious early when he is paying in the thread, at least from my experience. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's that.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 16 2015 22:22 GMT
#488
VisceraEyes, any thoughts on The Shining?
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 22:24 GMT
#489
On November 17 2015 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
I at least know who he finds suspicious early when he is paying in the thread, at least from my experience. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's that.


Well like I said in my first response to you he had FOUR reads (posts 360/361) in addition to ritoky, in a separate post. Now the quality of those reads is another story, but the reads were there.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 22:25 GMT
#490
His early questioning was pointed, he's dropped off considerably though. Wouldn't lynch bUT MAY be mafia? I don't know, I feel okay with Shining currently.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 16 2015 22:25 GMT
#491
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
Last question (I think), can you please specify who you like and who you don't (as described by the bolded portion of the above quote)?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 22:27 GMT
#492
On November 17 2015 07:24 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
I at least know who he finds suspicious early when he is paying in the thread, at least from my experience. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's that.


Well like I said in my first response to you he had FOUR reads (posts 360/361) in addition to ritoky, in a separate post. Now the quality of those reads is another story, but the reads were there.

The quality of the reads is what I'm referring to. Not just who but why, etc.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 16 2015 22:28 GMT
#493
Also -

On November 17 2015 07:12 NocturneMage wrote:
Now I have another question for you VE.

If you are town, what does that say to you about geript who is inferring that Trfel's game is (at this point in time) exclusively scummy?


to clarify this is in context to his first (smaller) case on you since geript has been out of thread I believe ever since.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 16 2015 22:28 GMT
#494
On November 17 2015 06:04 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:58 NocturneMage wrote:
On November 17 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote:
So you're saying that Breshke is suspicious because he's not focusing on the important things in the thread, at the time that he was there?

I guess my question back to you is, how do you determine what the important things in the thread are? Isn't that a matter of opinion?

I'll take a look at the context again, this kind of read is definitely valid and can be very powerful, but it's also extremely subjective, which makes it so, so difficult to apply correctly.


You have a point with the second sentence but when you read Breshke's filter, he talks about geript and VE "grilling" him. So he mentions them at the very least. It can be assumed that he's at least read and he makes a read on Shining but fails to take a stance on geript and VE.

Now, I realise there are a lot of Americans in this game and maybe the word "grilling" has a different meaning or a different context to some people but he clearly has an opinion on what is happening but doesn't focus on VE one way whereas other people are. He even says geript taunts him (post 377) but doesn't focus further. Like in his world, something should have tipped him off. Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

MoosyDoosy was not quite as active so he might get a pass if he may have failed to notice but
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 06:00 NocturneMage wrote:
edit: last sentence at Trfel - Moosy not quite as active, but there's no way he couldn't have followed up on VE/geript.
Breshke, please answer this.

NocturneMage, I think I see what you're getting at now. I'd like to see Breshke answer first.


To bet totally honest with my short amount of time yesterday and getting sidetracked posting about the shining I kind of forgot that I hadn't given like any reads on the game especially because the reads are really weak.

So with Geript if it was just some random would be town reading him because his posts don't feel like structured? Im not sure if that is the ebst way to explain it but his posting feels very care free like he has nothing to hide and he ranked people out of 7 like why 7 idc if this sounds dumb but that's just peculiar and not in a bad way because it draws attention to his reads. The problem is I don't doubt Geripts mafia ability especially after some big game that I don't remember the name where he was mafia. Still would not lynch though.

Ritoky is in the same grain as Geript where he is pushing the game forward and I still disagree with him on the shining but I don't think it makes him mafia.

Moosy would lynch in a heartbeat. His mafia list is basically people not being talked about to be lynched and he doesn't even try explain his reads. Doesn't really make much sense
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 16 2015 22:29 GMT
#495
On November 17 2015 06:26 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 06:16 Trfel wrote:
On November 17 2015 06:07 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 05:44 Trfel wrote:
On November 17 2015 05:32 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 04:28 Trfel wrote:
Disformation, why did you townread scott31337? Please explain.


On November 17 2015 05:12 Trfel wrote:
I don't like scott31337's posts so far. His late entrance is very strange, I'm not used to him ignoring a game for so long after it began. He also didn't explain his reads, and followed thread sentiment. I don't see any real contributions from him so far. He doesn't seem to be trying to solve the game.


I'm going ahead and respond to both of that.
Since I remember scott as someone who does not post a lot, I don't think his late entry is alignment indicative.
I kinda liked his entry because he was explained were he was at after catching up to the thread fairly well. Yeah, it was not that original. Maybe I am a bit biased because a lot of his views are very similar to mine...

His sudden disappearance does worry me a bit though.. would like him to interact with a few ppl and/or to push his scum reads.

While we are at that:
##vote MoosyDoosy
@MoosyDoosy : Plx, explain your reads and answer my question.


I also should maybe rethink my stance on VE since I pretty my like Trfel's case. I also do not feel like lynching Trfel atm.
Scott31337 didn't explain his reads, though. All he really said is that he didn't understand my post, and provided a bunch of weird reads on everyone else.

Here's disinformation's first two posts on me (Trfel):
On November 16 2015 08:30 disformation wrote:
Trfel.. kinda strange reaction to VE's uh... lets call it a poke. Not sure if his knee jerk reaction is maffay or town motivated.
On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:
Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.
Twenty minutes later (in which time I did not post), he posts this:
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF
On November 17 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:
On November 17 2015 02:50 disformation wrote:
So to summarize:
ppl I currently don't like: MoosyDoosy, Trfel, FF


Should add at least a bit of reasoning:
All three are in dire need of contributing more and have exhibited a bit of suspicious actions.
(MoosyDoosy buggering off without explaining his reads, Trefel explained a few posts above and FF being lurky as hell, with minimal contributions.)
How did disformation get from "I don't know about Trfel" to "Trfel is a top lynch" without any posts from me or explanation in between?

Combined with the random townread of scott31337, I'm suspicious.

One more thing to add, disformation's been very active this game post-wise, but hasn't provided many reads. The first time he provided reads was when someone asked him. He seems to be excited to play, chomping at the bit to start the game, but instead of playing he's mostly commenting and questioning, and seems to be somewhat avoiding sharing his own reads.


Meh.
Hm? Well you just happend to be one the three ppl I liked the least. My suspicions on you were posted.
Also don't think my town lean on scott is random, but I should probably rethink scott, if he continues to not post.
I also don't understand the bold part... if commenting and questioning is not playing, then can you please explain how to play?
Looking closer, I think I see what you're saying in the first part. I misinterpreted your post about the people you don't like.

My words were poorly chosen there, playing does include commenting and questioning, I should have said "pushing".

Do you have any thoughts on Fecalfeast's latest post(s)? (I forget how many posts he made and I'm too lazy to look)


Yeah, you are right. I could be pushing more. This is one of the aspects to my town game that I need to improve.
FF has like 8 posts. Most of them are like "only skimming / lurking hardcore". He put out a few reads, but hardly explained any of them. His last list is basically without any explanation besides that he likes your case on VE.
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 05:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
VE you have me on steam lol my buddy hasn't done any of the online stuff yet

I'm mostly skimming here but I side with trfel on VE for sure.

town:
ritoky
trfel
nocturne

mafia:
moose
ve


that's all I got


So yeah I am not impressed by FF so far.^^
Options are "super lazy town" and "scum trying to coast by on minimal work". Though his tone is a bit too up front lazy that I am not sure maffay would do this. But this could be what maffay would want me to think.

@FF:
what happened to:
"farah is town, geript is town, ever is towny..."
Sill valid?

In my lazy reading I didn't notice any posts from those people that made me feel one way or the other so if I said I thought they were towny before, you can assume they're still there. I've been fucking the dog all game anyway so I'm gonna sheep people today
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 22:29 GMT
#496
The people arguing man I don't know. I saw a bunch of posters arguing with each other so I made a broad stroke generalization that most of them are town. I'm not currently sitting at the computer so I'm not gonna go back and name names, the point was that like always I'm mostly interested in lynching in the low volume posters today.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
November 16 2015 22:30 GMT
#497
On November 17 2015 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 07:24 NocturneMage wrote:
On November 17 2015 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
I at least know who he finds suspicious early when he is paying in the thread, at least from my experience. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's that.


Well like I said in my first response to you he had FOUR reads (posts 360/361) in addition to ritoky, in a separate post. Now the quality of those reads is another story, but the reads were there.

The quality of the reads is what I'm referring to. Not just who but why, etc.


Don't, you know, ask me about my reads or anything, just assume I'm mafia.

Wow, this is exactly what I imagine when I picture 'town and winning' voting a lurker without even trying to engage them
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 16 2015 22:30 GMT
#498
Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast?

What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 16 2015 22:30 GMT
#499
Trefel do you think your case still holds water even though VE was just pressuring shining early so it can be assumed he didn't actually believe Eversinces read?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
November 16 2015 22:32 GMT
#500
On November 17 2015 07:28 NocturneMage wrote:
Also -

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 07:12 NocturneMage wrote:
Now I have another question for you VE.

If you are town, what does that say to you about geript who is inferring that Trfel's game is (at this point in time) exclusively scummy?


to clarify this is in context to his first (smaller) case on you since geript has been out of thread I believe ever since.

It lends credibility to the "geript is pocketing VE"theory, but not enough for me to lynch him or even really scumread him alone.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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