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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On November 17 2015 10:25 disformation wrote: Hm, which town reads do you feel strong / not strong about? scott is not strong since he has 0/5 stars on his filter I guess? scott is mafia imo | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On November 17 2015 10:26 disformation wrote: I'll be around another one or two hours, so if you have questions, feel free to ask.  3 never lynch today people and top 3 lynches today plz. a line or 2 on why, thanks bb | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On November 17 2015 09:28 ritoky wrote: this is basically going to end up being a waste of space for a lot of people when you get to the end and realize it is a NULL READ. so i am spoilering it now DISFORM IS NULL TO ME FOR COMPLICATED RAISINS. now here's why: Here's his entrance, it feels natural and relaxed: Particularly the suggestion that we should lynch him feels town. It takes a certain level of testicular fortitude to suggest lynching yourself as mafia that early in the game and no offense to disform, but from my experience he isn't that ballsy and forthright. But then it starts to feel awkward.... he gets into the "am i the only one who was joking" and self deprecation area which is very different from his natural upbeat attitude from before. The he says this: which i quoted for empty promise potential. this is a very practiced and common mafia tactic where they say "reading filters" or "catching up" then they deliver low volume small content posts or say they didn't find anything to feign doing more work to solve the game than they are actually doing. so i was expecting some in depth analysis of shining at some point. spoiler alert, i was disappointed that it never came to be. which tends toward mafia for me then he posts his reads and there's that FF read that sticks out to me. i don't see why it was mentioned and it felt forced into it. he includes so few reads in the post, so why does FF being null get included? I don't understand what the point of it was. it isn't a strong read, it doesn't seek to illicit a reaction, it is just this random null read with no content to it in a very small list of reads. i can't grasp why it is even there. tending toward mafia again. next he starts posting and trying to solve the game and i generally like the way he is pushing so i start to think he is town again, but then at the end of all of that pushing he arrives at this: which is like the biggest pile of LHF in the thread. so i am super confused right now. BUT HERE IS WHERE I GET REALLLLLLLLLYYYYY CONFUSED. REMEMBER TRFEL IS MAFIA TO HIM, now watch these next posts: VE is town, trfel is mafia. One of his only 3 mafia reads gives a scum read on one of his only 3 town reads and he then trusts his scum reads' case on his top town read and re-evaluates. I am so fucking confused by this I can't even explain it. It makes no sense, so I would appreciate it if someone would fucking explain this insanity to me. Ultimately he has shit that makes me think he is town, but he has shit that makes me think he is mafia, and then he has shit that I don't even understand. He might be in my lynch pile today cuz I think he is on the mafia side of null at the moment....but I feel like this is someone I am going to have difficulty reading all game long, so I really need to figure him out. My thoughts on disformation: (1) Initial tone read - no issues here (2) Lack of followthrough being scummy on Shining - agreed there (3) I can't understand the process through which he's townreading Shining unless I'm completely missing it. I don't disagree with Trfel's questioning of him on townreading him. The only thing about scott is that I know what he's capable from in Newbie 14, but at the same time I know his schedule greatly impacts his game. (4) Regarding your point on the auto-flip by disformation on Trfel's case, I think disformation has maybe one more game than I do here? It could be newbie town getting blown away by such an elaborate and well formatted case or it could be trying to blend with thread sentiment. I had an additional reason personally to scumread VE, but the other thing that makes me think mafia for disformation is him referring to himself as Waffleboy, as in he's aware he's waffling, or what some of you have called self-meta. I think he's a good cop check if we have one. At the very least more from him would be good. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On November 17 2015 10:31 ritoky wrote: 3 never lynch today people and top 3 lynches today plz. a line or 2 on why, thanks bb Kay: Never Lynch Today Hasn't changed much from my last posts. 1) ritoky: Strong thread presence, prodding ppl looking for answers, I genuinely believe he wants to figure out ppls alignment. 2) NocturneMage: Super more active/interactive compared to NSM13. Not by a bit but by a HUGE margin. 3) geript: Came in the thread pretty strong, prodding ppl for different things, but hasn't been here today. I hope he drops by later though. Top Lynches: This is kinda difficult right now. Rethinking a few things... 1) MoosyDoosy: Does he even count? Feels a bit like a policy lynch as stated earlier. So alternatives to MD... The Shining hasn't been here in ages... I am warming up a bit on FF... Scott hasn't done much after he got that hasty town lean from me... not sure on VE, conflicted if I like ritokys (and geripts) meta read more than trfl's case... I should probably like the meta read more since it is by two guys on my never lynch today list... won't lunch ES today... mh... probably next up is scott and I feel like an idiot now. -.- 2) scott bonus: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#441 Not sure what the point of this post was. Buddying up to me? 3) Either still FF or someone else... taking a shower, will think on this, brb | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Town: ritoky - right now, strongest town read Probably town: geript (assuming read/followup on Trfel makes sense) Townlean: Shining - seemed opinionated enough but need to revisit interaction with Eversince Trfel - had no issues with the case or his follow up to VE, although my one reservation on him is how he goes form post 523 on VE to "probably not mafia" to later in his filter to 583 where he cites Scott and VE as standing out for him to lynch. So that is a gap in explanation that needs to be sorted. Breshke - answers to my questions were satisfactory and is pressuring VE for answers. I also notice he is engaging his scumreads and trying to resolve them. VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes - I'm really trying not to be a dick here, but I really cannot understand this guy's play but if I can work him out I'll work with him. Answering Breshke's questions and providing more reads would help. Null: Eversince - just couldn't get around to her today. disformation - there are legitimate town and mafia tells but I would use another day to work on him Fecalfeast - he didn't explain the reads early game, but he openly admitted he was lazy. seems intent on lynching scott and putting pressure on Moosy to play the game which is towny though. My gut says town, but I could be wrong. Scumlean scott - list post was adequate for entrance and reminded me of his past town games or no different, but lack of additional input will move him down on my list. Lack of followup on Trfel is meh. Updates on other reads would help. FarahBlackwing - This is another player I'm seeing both town and mafia attributes but more of the second here. Didn't like her opening and lack of explanation on her reaction test. I didn't agree with post 299 on the lack of emotion because I sensed emotion in his posts. I disagree with her meta (second game ever!) on Shining but I also agreed with her read formation on VE, which makes sense for a new player. She didn't actually provide a read on MoosyDoosy other than frustration. And her final post (594) I don't see how she's townreading Eversince and then calling the exchange odd and saying "some things don't feel forced". Likely mafia: MoosyDoosy - didn't like his entrance, didn't like his martyring (self-meta), didn't like his use of meta, even after explanation, and the push on Farah was just hilariously wrong. ##unvote Folks, if there's shit I missed reading or whatever or if I read something wrong, let me know. I'm coming in on an off day and I plan to lie in a bit tomorrow, but there's a few people I still need to read and follow up on. should be around for the end of the cycle. Good night everyone. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
On November 17 2015 09:07 Trfel wrote: Hm, I could use my Half the Sky read methods on you and probably drive you insane ^^ Don't tempt me, meta hater  FFS I just saw this....do not make me policy lynch you.  | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On November 17 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads). I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia? Yes, he did. On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: Posts like this make Farah Mafia. And NM is town. On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote: No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point. So frustrating His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool. On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote: Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do. And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks. I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay? I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this. ##Unvote I may be back later, or on tomorrow. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On November 17 2015 10:58 disformation wrote: 3) Either still FF or someone else... taking a shower, will think on this, brb Continuing my rant. Gut/Tone say I don't want to lynch FF. Reread Farahs filter, feeling not compelled in any direction. The Shining's filter has a slight town tone, but he has been MIA for super long. So depending on what he brings to the table when he returns I can see myself putting my vote here. Meh. Not the bestest of lists. Should probably reread some filters tomorrow, but I am not sure how much time I'll have. Will hopefully be back 3-4h b4 deadline. Forecast says there is a decent chance for phone posts. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On November 17 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote: DANGER DANGER WIFOM NUKE ALERT! I am laughing so fucking hard at this irl, aight I will give you a town pass today just cuz of this. The chupazi in me believes you wouldn't be so obvious as mafia courting me for a hot date like this. I am willing to roll worth this. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
MoosyDoosy (2): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes mooseydoosey (1): The Shining (0): scott31337 (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): Not Voting (8): geript, NocturneMage, scott31337, Breshke, ritoky, The Shining, Trfel, FarahBlackwing It looks like MoosyDoosy will be facing the court-martial for treason in leading the vote with 2 votes! Voting is Manditory! Do not forget to vote! Vote tracker may be found here. Edit: Apologies, the tracker wasn't picking up some of the votes at first for some reason. If you notice any errors please PM me. I will do a manual count before Deadline tomorrow to ensure everything is accurate. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On November 17 2015 11:37 Tictock wrote: Day 1 Votecount FarahBlackwing (2): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes MoosyDoosy (1): Trfel (1): scott31337 VisceraEyes (1): The Shining (0): scott31337 (0): Not Voting (7): geript, Breshke, ritoky, Fecalfeast, The Shining, Trfel, FarahBlackwing It looks like FarahBlackwing will be facing the court-martial for treason in leading the vote with 2 votes! Voting is Manditory! Do not forget to vote! Vote tracker may be found here. oh wow my self vote didn't count. But then again I was planning a last minute ninja switch because I'm totally town! | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On November 17 2015 11:49 Fecalfeast wrote: If I were scum and moose was town, I'd be laughing it up in scum qt right now about how, unless he gets vigged, we have a guaranteed mislynch in lylo. Which means we should probably get rid of him sooner than later. Yes this is true. Ask me a question, any one question. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On November 17 2015 11:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Why are you doing this? Because I hate town. Next quesiton, yes. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On November 17 2015 11:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: Because I hate town. Next quesiton, yes. Why, then, are you willing to tank your chances of actually surviving as mafia? If you turn out to be town this game, you will never be townread for actually playing the game. You will be forced into playing this exact meta as mafia. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
You're only hurting yourself by blatantly playing against your wincon | ||
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