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NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 13:51 GMT
#721
Like he's talking about a metaread and unless I'm misreading she's not giving a full metaread.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
November 17 2015 14:16 GMT
#722
I just got off work and am going to bed I will be here before deadline. Night
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 17 2015 14:23 GMT
#723
On November 17 2015 20:34 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 20:28 ritoky wrote:
On November 17 2015 20:24 disformation wrote:
phone post.
profound sadness.

@geript
you have 7 ppl in your not town list, isnt that a bit much? keeping your options open?
should i keep my post you would have advised me to post as mafia around for when i roll mafia? I mean you and ritoky called me out for it afteur all.


[image loading]


not sure what you are trxing to say, but this pictute made me laugh.


Epiphany: you are saying I act like a deviant brat.
You are correct.
Frustrated at having a hard time this game, after my last town game went pretty good...

Going to ignore that stuff for now. Should have time to really look at things in about an hour or so.

@NocturneMage:
Like the tone of The Shining suggest town for me, but like you I have a difficult time wrapping my head about the content he posted. Like it is all about that early Farah and Eversince stuff... so I have zero idea where he currently stands... is he voting? will he show up to vote? I have no clue who he will vote... and that makes a bit antsy.
So I am not inclined to call him either town or mafia. But he is basically getting a day of doing nearly nothing for free. I hope he does some amazing stuff D2...

Will look at your stuff on Farah more closely when I have the time.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 17 2015 14:24 GMT
#724
Nah. The Shining hasn't voted... -.-
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 17 2015 14:26 GMT
#725
Ritoky I don't think ignoring moosey and hoping for a PR to resolve it is the way to go. purely because in every setup with the cop if they get a green on moosey its a waste because it doesn't mean shit until a GF flips.

I really don;t think shining will flip scum if he is lynched and think moosey is a far fa better lynch.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 17 2015 14:27 GMT
#726
On November 17 2015 07:51 Breshke wrote:
ahh Trefel I just know realized that post wasnt referring to his fecal vote because thats meet to say and argued.

VE can you explain this

Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing.



and this

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I'm back!

##Unvote

I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.

The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.

So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by.


Seems to be saying two different things


VE not to nag but can you reply to this PLS

I don't think it has any bearing on the lynch but i would like it resolved.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 17 2015 14:28 GMT
#727
##Vote MoosyDoosy

Does anyone have anything to ask me i got held up at work and its 1am here and will probably go to sleep soon and will most likely not be here until after deadline.

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 17 2015 14:30 GMT
#728
Also as NM said go look at mooseys fake rage in that game i think it is similar to here from memory. It is just like misplaced anger at absolutly nothing that sidetracks the game and gives him an excuse to post but not do anything.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 17 2015 14:43 GMT
#729
well this sucks im off to bed. Ill se my alarm for half an hour before but no promises
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
November 17 2015 15:31 GMT
#730
They are actually saying the same thing Breshke. Look again.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 17 2015 15:55 GMT
#731
##vote scott31337

I won't be able to catch up by the deadline. But scott31337 hasn't shown critical thinking, and his activity has been pretty awful. This post shows a lack of critical thinking in particular, he's trying to say stuff, trying to make an argument, but all he really says is that MoosyDoosy is town because he's town, and because he did the same thing last game as town (which obviously does not make him town).

Scott31337 still hasn't taken a stance on me, despite saying that he would many hours ago. Given the lack of original reads and thinking in his posts, I find him getting so upset at MoosyDoosy's play difficult to believe.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 17 2015 16:05 GMT
#732
I don't want to lynch The Shining. He said that he was trying to do more work right when the game began to make up for not being able to play Monday and Tuesday, and his posting rate was much higher than it generally is. In addition to activity, his posts show attempts to gain information. Many of The Shining's scum games show fewer, larger posts to try and stay alive, rather than trying to pressure things to gain information.

FarahBlackwing's post about The Shining was very good, particularly with regards to The Shining's slight shows of emotion this game. It's very different from The Shining's most recent mafia game.

I could lynch MoosyDoosy, but I'm more confident in scott31337. MoosyDoosy is a wild card, scott31337 generally puts forward a good effort as town.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 17 2015 16:11 GMT
#733
At home now.
Found some motivation on the way home.

Time for ace detective disformation to bust out some moves.

There are probably three Homunculi remaining.
Case closed, let's get drunk.


Nah, Imma dive some filters and try to look at what the people in question are trying to achieve.

@Trfel I get your what you are saying on MoosyDoosy vs Scott and I could vote for both atm, but: as you said MoosyDoosy is a wildcard. How do you propose we handle him? I fear he will just continue to be a wildcard and at some point town has to deal with that.
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
November 17 2015 16:17 GMT
#734
You deal with people like moos the same way every game, you cop check him or you shoot him and spend d1 on other players.

##Vote Scott31337

We can point to the other games moos has played and compare them to some degree and yes his anger here is somewhat close to what it was when he bussed his whole team. However he has a clear objective in this game which is to push me, he cares very little for his survivor and is pushing for himself to be lynched to an extent which probably will come to fruition.

While its not necessarily a good heuristic it does exist that mafia players (moos included) like to survive, especially someone like moos who likes playing as mafia. In his last mafia game from what I can understand he did show anger martyr but when pressure slowly left him he continued to try to survive and push his team mate, and at some points just leaving the thread. Here whats his plan exactly? To push me care very little for his survival and fuck off. It seems more like a town not really caring that he rolled town rather than a mafia who wants to survive the day phase.

As to my vote on scott, I think hes quite possibly the best choice today. I do not have a huge lead as to who I think is the scummiest but i'm willing to listen to other cases currently but between scott and moos I would pick scott.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 17 2015 16:22 GMT
#735
On November 18 2015 01:11 disformation wrote:
@Trfel I get your what you are saying on MoosyDoosy vs Scott and I could vote for both atm, but: as you said MoosyDoosy is a wildcard. How do you propose we handle him? I fear he will just continue to be a wildcard and at some point town has to deal with that.
I guess, I feel like time will take care of MoosyDoosy a bit better than it will scott31337. Scott31337 will probably continue to play in about the same way, and I feel like his play to this point is very revealing already (more what's not there than what is).

MoosyDoosy's play certainly can't become any less helpful, as he's shown some investment to the game despite asking to be lynched. It's hard to explain my thoughts, maybe I'm just being insane, but I can't see him playing for a significant period of time while putting a bit of effort into the game and also asking to be lynched. And whatever change he makes from that balance would probably be telling.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 17 2015 16:24 GMT
#736
scott31337
  • Enters the thread with a catching up/current thoughts post:
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=22#425
    I kinda liked it at the time for some reason, like it looked like an okayish late entry, with nothing standing out.
    A bunch of other ppl complained that none of his entry is original and creative.
  • Clarifies a bit on Eversince and dunno? Tries to buddy up to me?
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#441
  • A bit of interaction with his prime scum canidate Trefl and while he says this could be trfel making a mafia case:
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#460
  • Unvotes Trfel because... uh... I don't know?
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=33#648
  • Restates Trfel might be mafia:
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=35#681


So... uh... I have no clue what he is trying to achieve. Posting to be posting? He certainly isn't pushing his suspect which still seems to be trfel?
Like the only redeeming thing is:
On November 17 2015 14:42 scott31337 wrote:
I'll be up in about 12 hours and bitch that I'm not online and posting. Well suck it I was busy helping out my cousin that I just found out had MS.

Which would be a super hard dick move to fake, imo.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 17 2015 16:37 GMT
#737
Trfel
  • Already expanded on his early VE case here:
    + Show Spoiler +
    On November 17 2015 02:30 disformation wrote:
    I can try.
    So TS posts this:
    Show nested quote +
    On November 16 2015 06:22 The Shining wrote:
    On November 16 2015 06:19 geript wrote:
    Also if trfel hasn't said at least 1 smart thing by tomorrow we kill him.


    I like this. Trfels entrance was a one liner asking you to explain your read. And the posts are worryingly short. Is this the same Trfel that likes to post crazy WoT to start games and do stuff to get conversation and reads going? Because that is the town Trfel I know and this isn't him.


    A few mins later Trfel posts this:
    Show nested quote +
    On November 16 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:
    VisceraEyes

    VisceraEyes makes two posts showing suspicion of The Shining.
    + Show Spoiler +
    On November 16 2015 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On November 16 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote:
    Farrah your logic is flawed. I rolled scum a few games ago which means I'm due for another 10 town games, which this is. Your instant vote is pretty uncalled for so early, with so many people missing but I'll chalk it up to interesting entrance. How far you plan on pushing this obvious policy lynch?

    Actually all the entrances so far suck. No TRs, town Y u make this so hard?

    No townreads = trying to keep options open. Marfia.
    On November 16 2015 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
    Like statistically speaking you could just close your eyes and point at a townie, so the fact that you can't trust ANYONE with so many having posted is a huge red flag for me.

    After these posts, VisceraEyes treats The Shining like he is town, specifically by telling The Shining how to properly play as town.
    + Show Spoiler +
    On November 16 2015 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
    As for finding scum not town, it's infinitely easier to narrow down your search by correctly identifying townies. This is known.
    On November 16 2015 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On November 16 2015 05:44 The Shining wrote:
    If you want me to explain, the logic of closing your eyes and finding a town less than an hour to d1 by just pointing means statistically you have a higher chance of finding town by being random. By that same logic, snap voting this early on D1 means it has a higher chance of landing on town.

    Farrah why do you think the game is boring less than an hour after it started? That feels pretty ñonsensical. Things have to happen for it to be exciting, or boring. Deciding its boring on the 3rd post of the game is pretty weird.

    And AS I said, it wasn't a random snap vote. It's a vote placed with reason. You may or may not agree with the reason, that's your prerogative and should affect whether or not you place your vote. Not mine. <3

    Furthermore, Eversince's post on FarahBlackwing has a very large logical flaw, in that The Shining hadn't posted at the time. Eversince is comparing a townread based on actual posts to a vote with zero reason from this game, which does not work. VisceraEyes knows much better than this.

    This isn't VisceraEyes pushing The Shining, this is VisceraEyes reading incorrectly and flailing wildly at The Shining with words that don't match his stance.


    Hm looking at the timestamps that could have been ninja...
    Well what I meant at the time with strange: 1) the timing 2) the targets.
    What is strange with the targets? Well he basically helps defending TS from mean VE, after TS expressed his dislike of Trfel. So in maffay motivations this trfel post could have been motivated to a) "hey look I am doing Trfel town stuff" and b) "hey TS I am totally on your side, ease up your suspicions on me."

    Even with the TS post being a ninja motivation 1) still is possible, since the geript post.
    Not enough to give Trfel a scum read, but I won't give him a town read either.

  • Posts a new, way more fleshed out case on VE:
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=23#447
    Not sure if the case holds, but the willingness to pursuit his scum read despite resistance, is town for me.
  • Follows up with interactions with different ppls. I can clearly follow his train of thought on his new prime suspect scott. Still doesn't like VE.


Agenda seems to be figuring out the game and pushing his prime suspects. Town pile for today.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 17 2015 16:40 GMT
#738
On November 18 2015 01:22 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 01:11 disformation wrote:
@Trfel I get your what you are saying on MoosyDoosy vs Scott and I could vote for both atm, but: as you said MoosyDoosy is a wildcard. How do you propose we handle him? I fear he will just continue to be a wildcard and at some point town has to deal with that.
I guess, I feel like time will take care of MoosyDoosy a bit better than it will scott31337. Scott31337 will probably continue to play in about the same way, and I feel like his play to this point is very revealing already (more what's not there than what is).

MoosyDoosy's play certainly can't become any less helpful, as he's shown some investment to the game despite asking to be lynched. It's hard to explain my thoughts, maybe I'm just being insane, but I can't see him playing for a significant period of time while putting a bit of effort into the game and also asking to be lynched. And whatever change he makes from that balance would probably be telling.


Yeah, MoosyDoosy's more recent posts sound more reasonable. But some ppl pointed out that he faked outbursts of emotion before and I am a bit annoyed by this play, tbh.

Scotts filter looks horrible as I pointed out, but the dma makes a bit worried.

So I am feeling a bit coin tossy at the moment about these two. Will probably look at MoosyDoosy's filter next.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 16:42 GMT
#739
Yeah, that's why I asked Scott the question again, to get something out from his perspective regarding the "Trfel could be mafia" argument. My other thing is he also needs to look at Trfel from a perspective beyond meta (there's that bloody word again) and hopefully he'll do that when he returns. Or at least before I have to afk in a few hours, but given the timing of that post...
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 17 2015 16:45 GMT
#740
Wait, Trfel you are here. You're not on my lynch list but can you explain unless I missed it somewhere, you dropped the scumread on VE or concluded at some point in your filter that VE might not be mafia and then you looked to him and Scott again. So what changed?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
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