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On November 18 2015 02:37 disformation wrote:Okay moosy vs scott: MoosyDoosyDo I want to lynch moosy because I think he is mafia? To be totally honest: No. I want to policy lynch him for pulling that martyr shit again. From things like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=38#741And his tone when talking to FF I think he is more likely to flip town than mafia... I am still not a fan and think it might be dangerous for town to keep him around for to long, since he is kinda a wildcard. But as town I should lynch mafia... so prolly unvoting. ScottWhen looking at his filter my brain says he is maffay. I look at the dick move analysis and my gut says he is town. I am probably too nice. That being said I think he actually has a higher chance of being maffay than MoosyDoosy. Which makes me kinda said. Looking at scotts filter again and try to see what geript is seeing.
Little of that is in Scotts filter (other than the p30 recap thing). Most of it is in scattered posts about/surrounding Scott.
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On November 17 2015 15:40 geript wrote:
@Farah. You're Damdred's wife right? If so, how would he read you this game if he were playing?
Farah could you answer this when you get time.
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I'm not sure that I am feeling a Breshke lynch, I've never played with breshke before and i'm not sure what you are describing is scum indicative exactly geript?
There are incidents where questions are dropped, ie eversince. Bothers me about moos but doesn't really matter so much my retorts and still ends up on moos. But i'm not sure that I see this coming from strictly mafia?
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On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote:
A few things.
Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia.
Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up.
Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now.
##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them.
So...
Moosy: Agree that his bounce back was rather townish.
Scott: I still don't like his filter very much. But my gut doesn't agree with lynching him... and you are right, this thread is awfully quiet. Also in the game we lynched Scott D1 he basically just gave up and rolled over. This time he is at least trying to catch up...
The Shining: I think I posted before that I am okay with giving him one Day, but he has to put in a lot of work D2.
Hmm... Breshke... tbh he is a bit under the radar for me... filter diving him now.
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Alright, geript that's how I perceived Breshke early game and I tried to spell that to Trfel. I've gotta go back but I thought he was engaging his scumreads.
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On November 18 2015 02:41 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 15:40 geript wrote:
@Farah. You're Damdred's wife right? If so, how would he read you this game if he were playing? Farah could you answer this when you get time.
I am pretty confident that he would be able to read me as town as he is quite familiar with how I reason things out from having little to no information, rather than coming from a place of perfect knowledge.
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Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
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On November 18 2015 02:45 FarahBlackwing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 02:41 geript wrote:On November 17 2015 15:40 geript wrote:
@Farah. You're Damdred's wife right? If so, how would he read you this game if he were playing? Farah could you answer this when you get time. I am pretty confident that he would be able to read me as town as he is quite familiar with how I reason things out from having little to no information, rather than coming from a place of perfect knowledge.
Not what would he read you, HOW would he read you?
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On November 18 2015 02:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 02:45 FarahBlackwing wrote:On November 18 2015 02:41 geript wrote:On November 17 2015 15:40 geript wrote:
@Farah. You're Damdred's wife right? If so, how would he read you this game if he were playing? Farah could you answer this when you get time. I am pretty confident that he would be able to read me as town as he is quite familiar with how I reason things out from having little to no information, rather than coming from a place of perfect knowledge. Not what would he read you, HOW would he read you?
I am not sure? He probably would look at ways I landed at my conclusions and what prompted them. I doubt I could answer this in any reasonable way, something about sentence structure as well i'm sure as he claims I do certain things when i'm lying in text.
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On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos.
When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo:
On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch.Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again.
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On November 18 2015 03:00 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo: Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch.Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again.
Which FF answered the next page...
No comment from Breshke...
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On November 18 2015 03:03 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 03:00 disformation wrote:On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo: On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch.Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke...
Shit. I really need to get into the habit of drawing conclusions.
Was skimming Breshke's filter and didn't get too suspicious. Taking a closer look at stuff like this raises some red flags. Will look more closely, if I find more of this I might find it in me to vote for him.
I have played 1-2 games with breshke but I found him to be rather unmemorable, which probably means I didn't have enough interactions with him, which will make it hard for me to compare this to his normal game.
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On November 18 2015 03:06 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 03:03 disformation wrote:On November 18 2015 03:00 disformation wrote:On November 18 2015 02:50 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Actually I have rethought my position on breshke.
##Vote Breshke
There were two or so moments when something struck me as odd reading the filter, both were interactions between breshke and his supposed scum reads in FF (who he said he would lynch) and then moos.
In both situations previously says he scum reads them but asks them questions and has no follow up on those questions and even if the person retorts or responds in a town sort of way he just puts them back in the ignore pile. No real explanation of the progress over eliminating FF (who was breshkes scum read earlier but said his filter wasn't that bad earlier than that) eliminating VE and some of the others. Just settling on the target of moos. When did breshke eliminate FF as a target? Last mention of his read on FF is imo: On November 17 2015 09:25 Breshke wrote:On November 17 2015 09:16 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, who are your scumreads right now?
If you'd like to wait for FarahBlackwing to answer first, that's fine. It's mostly less active people. Something is wrong about mooseys outburst like he HAS rolled scum here before he makes it sound like he never has. He also entered a game where its more likely to roll town than mafia and is having a tantrum that he got the more likely option. Also in the game he was mafia he overreacted to rayn dying (not being saved by the doctor) which was obviously fake and this feels a lot like that. So i don't think anyone should be giving him a pass for having a cry. FF still being lazy so would lynch.Scott aswell. I don't think it is out of the ordinary for scott to not be around for large portions of some phases but when he is around he usually has a big thought dump. He didn't attempt anything like that this game which feels scummy from him. He is lean scum but I wouldn't lynch him over moosey or fecal at this stage. I also am waiting for VE to be around again. Which FF answered the next page... No comment from Breshke... Shit. I really need to get into the habit of drawing conclusions. Was skimming Breshke's filter and didn't get too suspicious. Taking a closer look at stuff like this raises some red flags. Will look more closely, if I find more of this I might find it in me to vote for him. I have played 1-2 games with breshke but I found him to be rather unmemorable, which probably means I didn't have enough interactions with him, which will make it hard for me to compare this to his normal game.
To spell it out: Breshke now on the lower end of null, will look at his filter some more.
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Day 1 Votecount
MoosyDoosy (4): NocturneMage, disformation, MoosyDoosy, Trfel, disformation, NocturneMage, Breshke, scott31337
Breshke (2): geript, FarahBlackwing
The Shining (1): FarahBlackwing, ritoky, disformation
scott31337 (1): disformation, Trfel, FarahBlackwing
FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, VisceraEyes, MoosyDoosy
Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes
mooseydoosey (1): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast
Trfel (0): scott31337
VisceraEyes (0): NocturneMage, NocturneMage
disinformation (0): FarahBlackwing
Not Voting (1): The Shining, MoosyDoosy
It looks like MoosyDoosy will be facing the court-martial for treason in leading the vote with 4 votes!
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Interesting. No on has voted for me, ritoky and eversince. The last being semi surprising.
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Hmm...
On November 17 2015 12:14 Breshke wrote:Moosey do you understand that if you are town that your play is just distracting the rest of town and really hurts your chances of people listening to you. It also lets people just cop out and just talk about you being a shithead. For example Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 11:19 scott31337 wrote:On November 17 2015 07:38 Trfel wrote:On November 17 2015 07:33 Breshke wrote:On November 17 2015 07:30 Trfel wrote:
Breshke, any thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast?
What makes geript's ranking out of 7 post any different from a standard list post? I have no problem with VE's read on FF seems to be a classic " he isn't doing stuff so lynch him". IDK i said it was dumb but people normally do stuff out of 10 or a percent or like out of 5. He did 7 so someone could be like "Why the fuck is it out of 7" and he would need to explain which would bring more attention to his reads etc Sorry, I didn't mean your thoughts on VisceraEyes' stance on Fecalfeast, I was looking for your thoughts on VisceraEyes and Fecalfeast (two separate reads). I don't really understand the whole 7 thing at all. You know that geript is a strong scum player, so why wouldn't he want attention to be paid to his reads? Is geript a player who hides in a corner as mafia? On November 17 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote:On November 16 2015 21:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also I'm back!
##Unvote
I like the posts since my vote, and it wasn't super cereal anyway as many of you have clearly deduced. Most of the people actively posting I like, I think I dislike Fecal the mostest of anyone who's posted.
The super hard townreads on me from geript and ritoky BOTH gave me massive wood. I think geript's might feel a little over-explainy, but I still can't bring myself to find it suspicious. Pocket achieved for both of you.
So yeah, unless we're lynching a hard lurker, which I'm always down with, I think I prefer a Fecalfeast lynch. Aside from one townread on Ritoky, I really don't know what Fecal thinks in spite of his actively engaging with the thread. I'd believe GTA if that game weren't so old hat, I think he's just mafia trying to skate by. Trefel the bolded makes me fairly sure all the shining stuff was just pressure. Did he say otherwise? On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. Yes, he did. On November 17 2015 08:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:On November 17 2015 00:05 FarahBlackwing wrote:
I'm awake,
Anyway I probably will be mostly afk today so I'll try to be concise about my feelings.
1) I am super sure that Shining is town, based on meta and his posts give me a good feeling about them. They are pointed even if you disagree with what he is doing this is an excellent showing of his day one town play. Just a pity we won't see him again until wensday.
2) NocturneMage recent flurry of postings have giving me a good feeling, it felt like he was interacting with the thread as he was catching up instead of trying to be useless and lurking. He also instead of giving excuses is being proactive and trying to get thoughts out there. Good townlean, or at least not lynching today.
3) I'm not sure how people are so sure of VE so early? I probably don't get it because I never have played with him, but the town case on him seemed good and simplistic. So I suppose I will throw him into my town pile and then re-evaluate later.
4) I am not super confident in my eversince read, but I feel like she is town this game.
I also think ritoky is town, but i'm probably the least confident in this, and some of geripts postings have giving me good feelings but i'm not super sure about either. Posts like this make Farah Mafia. And NM is town. On November 17 2015 08:23 FarahBlackwing wrote:
No Moos you are just an someone who refuses to play in any game I've signed up with you in. If you can't be assed to explain your one scum read to the thread when people are trying to evaluate you whats the point.
So frustrating His ass was town in the last game too and did this. Playing against wincon is not cool. On November 17 2015 08:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Then your vote where your idea is instead of doing the opposite of what you said you would do.
And not sure what you are referring to with the like Damdred thing and putting my gender in quotation marks.
I really do not care if I am eliminated at this stage. See even if Moosy sucks and I decide not to play with him in the future if he's town - this should not get you down either. A depressed town is a failtown. Please do not! We waited so long for this game to start. Okay? I'm at page 28 and would rather watch the Football game then read this. ##UnvoteI may be back later, or on tomorrow. 
Great post for mafia to make.
Also despite having some interactions with his scum reads, he never re-evaluates his reads. Only thing he does is slightly adjusting his lynch order.
On November 17 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
Also scott has moved up in my lynch list because of that post
And he justifies his reason for the MD vote with something someoneelse came up with:
On November 17 2015 23:30 Breshke wrote:
Also as NM said go look at mooseys fake rage in that game i think it is similar to here from memory. It is just like misplaced anger at absolutly nothing that sidetracks the game and gives him an excuse to post but not do anything.
I am also not sure where his town reads are at... he had a town lean on eversince very early and put town near the names of ritoky and geript but adds some doubt since these two are good players and could pull this as mafia.
So he has like 0 genuine town reads to three ppl he would lynch.
Not feeling a town agenda here...
##unvote
##vote Breshke
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Oh for the ppl that now Breshke: Is it normal for him to focus on his scum reads or does he normally form a town circle and goes for PoE? Or is it something else entirely?
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Oh btw geript, what happened between these two posts:
On November 17 2015 17:16 geript wrote:
One last post. I'll be up around noon hopefully to look at things. I think Shinig or moosy would be my lynch choice.
On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote:
A few things.
Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia.
Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up.
Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now.
##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them.
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On November 18 2015 03:32 disformation wrote:Oh btw geript, what happened between these two posts: Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 17:16 geript wrote:
One last post. I'll be up around noon hopefully to look at things. I think Shinig or moosy would be my lynch choice. Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote:
A few things.
Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia.
Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up.
Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now.
##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them.
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To clarify: I refer to the change of heart regarding moosy and the shining.
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