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Still not to sure about that huge change in his read on me... though willingness to reevaluate reads is more town in my book...
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to clarify
On November 17 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote:
I don't like VisceraEyes, but I don't really feel comfortable with lynching him right now... It's obvious that VisceraEyes hasn't read the thread super carefully, but I don't think that that makes him mafia.
VisceraEyes, when you could get to a computer, if you could post the thoughts you had on the other players, that would be very helpful.
Time to study for that exam.
On November 17 2015 09:27 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2015 09:22 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Sure he could, but shoot him/cop check him instead of using a lynch on him if you are so inclined. Ugh, I hate this so much, but I guess you're probably right... ##unvoteScott31337 or VisceraEyes stand out the most to me right now. Waiting for Fecalfeast to post his filter analysis, though.
am I misreading or misunderstanding?
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On November 18 2015 01:45 NocturneMage wrote:
Wait, Trfel you are here. You're not on my lynch list but can you explain unless I missed it somewhere, you dropped the scumread on VE or concluded at some point in your filter that VE might not be mafia and then you looked to him and Scott again. So what changed? I'm kind of here, it's a bit complicated, I'd rather not get into it.....
I think that VisceraEyes looks a bit scummy right now, but I would rather lynch scott31337.On November 17 2015 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
No jokes, I just want like SUPER sure of my vote the way I kept on andargued it. It was a content generation thing. This post is the thing I hadn't considered, while I don't like the explanation it makes more sense than what I was considering before.
I haven't had enough time to fully re-evaluate VisceraEyes, but given that almost everyone is reluctant to lynch him today, it's kind of an irrelevant point for now.
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Day 1 Votecount
MoosyDoosy (4): NocturneMage, disformation, MoosyDoosy, Trfel, disformation, NocturneMage, Breshke
scott31337 (2): disformation, Trfel, FarahBlackwing
The Shining (1): FarahBlackwing, ritoky, disformation
FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, VisceraEyes, MoosyDoosy
Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes
mooseydoosey (1): Fecalfeast, Fecalfeast
Trfel (0): scott31337
VisceraEyes (0): NocturneMage, NocturneMage
Not Voting (3): geript, scott31337, The Shining
It looks like MoosyDoosy will be facing the court-martial for treason in leading the vote with 4 votes!
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Fair enough, back to the Shining.
I'm still having trouble sorting out his use of the word metaread and whether he's using that interpretation/use of it in a way to scumread Eversince. is it bad or is he really reaching? does anyone who knows him better able to make that call?
if I can get some feedback from geript and ritoky who were both pushing his lynch, that would be great. On that alone, I would put the other candidates like scott/moosy ahead of him.
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This is a hard game.
And i'm still not sure what to make of disinformation he keeps pointing out these scummy things people do but then ends up with something that could make them town. And really won't commit to a read either way this close to lynch, I almost would rather lynch him at this point maybe.
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or rather from what those two wanted to lynch him on, they didn't touch on the wording so I'm not fully sure.
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On November 18 2015 01:56 NocturneMage wrote:
Fair enough, back to the Shining.
I'm still having trouble sorting out his use of the word metaread and whether he's using that interpretation/use of it in a way to scumread Eversince. is it bad or is he really reaching? does anyone who knows him better able to make that call?
if I can get some feedback from geript and ritoky who were both pushing his lynch, that would be great. On that alone, I would put the other candidates like scott/moosy ahead of him.
From what I understand Ritoky and Geript do not have a very good track record of reading Shining, only a few people have a decent way to read him. On that note I don't think its good to lynch someone who you can get more out of past today, he very clearly can't play Mondays or Tuesdays.
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##Unvote
##Vote disinformation
Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard.
But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least.
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I have a meeting to go to and then a site to install some AP's. I'll be back before deadline, hopefully - and still only to page 32.
##Vote: Moosydoosy
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On November 18 2015 01:56 FarahBlackwing wrote:
This is a hard game.
And i'm still not sure what to make of disinformation he keeps pointing out these scummy things people do but then ends up with something that could make them town. And really won't commit to a read either way this close to lynch, I almost would rather lynch him at this point maybe.
welcome to disformation town play. I am calling myself waffleboy for a reason. 
A pity tunneltock is hosting this and not playing. We make a great team. xD
Still finishing up on MoosyDoosy. Probably The Shining and Farah after that.
The thing is: I can see a bunch of ppl getting like 1 free day (Eversince, The Shining, MoosyDoosy, scott), depending on the lynch of course and that worries me a bit because we have huge potential for maffay just coasting by.
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On November 18 2015 01:56 FarahBlackwing wrote:
This is a hard game.
And i'm still not sure what to make of disinformation he keeps pointing out these scummy things people do but then ends up with something that could make them town. And really won't commit to a read either way this close to lynch, I almost would rather lynch him at this point maybe.
Did you read ritoky's evaluation on him? I responded to it, but we all agreed there are a combination of scum and town tells. Are you seeing the (any) town side of anything he's doing?
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On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote disinformation
Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard.
But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least.
I am but a leaf in the wind. And my nick is disformation without in. I am not 100% sure how the automated vote counting tool handles votes, so you might want to remedy that. 
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On November 18 2015 02:07 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2015 02:00 FarahBlackwing wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote disinformation
Actually this might be the right way to go today, we can discuss scott/moos during he night and see how we want our vig/cop to act in that regard.
But disinformation isn't committing to anything, hes keeping his options open to see which way the wind is going to blow so that he can conceivably go with thread sentiment. His last two posts have set him up so that he can sheep either side as he has doubts about both. Its interesting to say the least. I am but a leaf in the wind. And my nick is disformation without in. I am not 100% sure how the automated vote counting tool handles votes, so you might want to remedy that.
Okay, okay. I will try to come up with an conclusion about MoosyDoosy vs. Scott31337. Let me finish MoosyDoosy's filter first. As you see I have quite a hard time deciding which one I dislike more as I am not 100% on one of them.
Since this is a game of mafia and I am town I can't be 100% on anyone... which causes me some distress. I don't like making the wrong choices and that is why I appear as being waffly or keeping my options open.
So again sry for my bad play town, but please bear with me. I understand that you want to lynch me for that, but I am town.
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A few things.
Moosey 5.5/7--I think Moosy might be town. It's kinda impossible to tell, but I liked his Farah read. I don't think the read is good, but Moosy tends (as town) to be staunch on some really out there read that no one else sees. Yes, he does the same thing as scum. Yes, IMO he'll do anything he'd do as town as scum including acting like an ass. I don't have a super strong read on him that I can make a town case on him, but I feel about as strong about the read on him as I did in the last game (where I was tracker and was trying to decouple him and scumdred). The thing that really makes me think he's town isn't just his outburst around the Farah thing; more importantly it's how he comes back to it later on. The bounce back on was really, really towny I think. It's this, "I want to fuck people over and I don't want to fuck people over" dissonance that I don't think he can really fake as mafia.
Scott 4.5/7--He's still null-ish. This seems kinda funny, but I don't really get the sense that anyone is trying to shield or direct votes towards him. Trfel iirc was the first to sorta toss a vote his way and it didn't seem bussy for cred or protecty for Moosy. It feels a bit TvT on the lynch and his catching up post about ~p30 (or around that area) kinda had similar thoughts to where I thought I was when I was catching up.
Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now.
##Vote: Breshke--Breshke has 2 posts that I semi-like. The problem being that they say things that are easy to say and don't really add anything. The problem that I have with Breshke is that when he's town his posts bounce off the thread and interact with the thread. By this, I don't mean Breshke asks things to people and stuff. Rather, he'll see a thought or something in the thread that spurns a new thought, a new direction. It's as if he reads something and it gets put together with something else to form something slightly old mixed with something new. There's also the fact that in general, he's asking far more isolated questions of people than I remember him doing; especially when he drops them as if he doesn't care about them.
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I'd like everyone who's voting for moosy to respond to my points on moosy and preferably switch to Breshke
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To respond to Farah, Shining isn't too high on my lynch list but considering I trust the reads coming from them, I am sure they can expand a bit more objectively when/if they return.
Earlier when ritoky and I were going through his case, we were discussing the town/mafia traits from disformation and there were legit reasons to come to a null read on him or a read with caveats.
One towny post from disformation was earlier in the game when I asked him about Shining - see post 433. Does that post look like it came from mafia?
644 was his response to ritoky regarding his latest set of reads. Same question there.
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Com on thread..... I know people are around. Toss me a bone and read my post.
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Okay moosy vs scott:
MoosyDoosy
Do I want to lynch moosy because I think he is mafia?
To be totally honest: No. I want to policy lynch him for pulling that martyr shit again.
From things like: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497023-newbie-student-mafia-xvii-fullmetal-edition?page=38#741
And his tone when talking to FF I think he is more likely to flip town than mafia...
I am still not a fan and think it might be dangerous for town to keep him around for to long, since he is kinda a wildcard. But as town I should lynch mafia... so prolly unvoting.
Scott
When looking at his filter my brain says he is maffay. I look at the dick move analysis and my gut says he is town. I am probably too nice. That being said I think he actually has a higher chance of being maffay than MoosyDoosy. Which makes me kinda said.
Looking at scotts filter again and try to see what geript is seeing.
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Yes I could very well be wrong and he did have some towny posts. I'm just not sure if I 100% want to lynch between scott and moos.
Breshke might be a good alternative, reading geripts post now. But for now
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