Newbie Student Mafia XVII: Fullmetal Edition - Page 47

On November 18 2015 14:41 ritoky wrote:
i am in a poor mood atm.

just read moosy's case, gonna respond to that before i read the rest of the shit.

On November 18 2015 14:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:

which one? there are two. I also have a question for you ritoky, let me dig it up.

On November 18 2015 14:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:

which one? there are two. I also have a question for you ritoky, let me dig it up.

On November 18 2015 14:40 geript wrote:

This is pretty odd because in a short time frame a town buddy will generally sheep a good player who's a townread to vote for someone who isn't a town read.

On November 18 2015 05:05 ritoky wrote:
going back to sleep, feel free to yell at me geript this is like 30% my fault. also wish scott had been here 2 mins earlier might have been able to shenannie save him.

On November 18 2015 14:53 ritoky wrote:
re: moosy's case

1) you put a lot of weight on this, idk i don't really think it matters that much. people try plays all the time and like to try to do shit right at the start of the game that's convoluted. most people are bad at it, then there's palmar. you could be right you could be wrong, it doesn't convince me and i find it NAI

2) probably your best point. i know i was advocating not dealing with you since you were being a crybaby and using roles to resolve you; but someone directed me toward the setup and the guaranteed godfather and i realized that it was a shitty approach cuz of setup and became depressed and resigned to having to read what you type. that is a much different progression than "use it on these people, use it on these people" "oh they're a waste but other people say that's how it should be". that tends toward mafia.

3) this makes 0 sense from you imo. "last game i was a little shit kicking and screaming and farah gave me tons of shit for it but i was town" this game you're a little shit kicking and screaming and she town reads you. of course she does? like what? you're playing the same as her last experience when you were town, so why shouldn't she just think you're doing more of the same? i don't get this at all.

4) yeah there's a pretty stark difference between "oh he's gonna flip town" and me who actually tried to move my vote. likely inconsequential ultimately (i dun remember the numbers) but saying and not acting is pretty meh.

5) seems self explanatory, would like to hear her explanation as to why; could be mafia indicative.

6) me and NM covered this earlier and i typed a lot so i don't really wanna repeat unless i have to; i'll go quote myself if i must.

On November 18 2015 15:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:

1) well the thing with this point is kind of meta/tone. Like you can just tell that Farah is a serious player, so doing goofy shit like Palmar is out of the question. But what she did isn't the big issue here. It's how she tried to explain her action away twice with progressively worse reasons. Also there's the fact that she's pushing the game forwards to get reads as she "claims" in her reasons but then says she doesn't care about the game later on. That's a contradiction right there.

3) Her reason for town reading me was that I was doing the same thing, but she believes that I would try if I were Mafia. So I'm interested to see how she'll read me off of my recent behavior and especially since I've clearly been driving at her this whole time.

4) Switching would just seem that much more scummy. You're an exception because you didn't read the game and was just flailing around but her switching would seem a calculated Mafia move. Either way both wagons were going to flip town so it was easy for her to just put her vote somewhere, cry over the town loss, and eat up the town cred.

6) Alright, I'll look for it later.

On November 18 2015 15:06 ritoky wrote:


1) you've made your point, it doesn't convince me. other stuff you said has lowered my opinion of her; but i doubt this point ever will ring home with me so it's an impasse.

4) this is kinda a bit confirmation biasy don't you think?

On November 18 2015 15:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:

1) meh
4) no, not really. She was driving the scott lynch and asked for votes to switch onto scott, so saying right before the lynch "he's gonna flip town!" is so bad. The only explanation is that she was trying to seem townie from it, but she forgot how she was driving part of the scott lynch and had explicitly stated before that she wouldn't care if he died.

On November 18 2015 15:29 ritoky wrote:
moosy do you have a strong opinion on breshke? assuming town since both your scum reads were quick to hop on him for mediocre at best reasons?

On November 18 2015 04:59 The Shining wrote:
Rushing this post so people know where my head is at. Geript is townlean for referring to meta notes and looking at play objectively to change his reads in a way I can explain. I might have been pocketed because it bumped me up a notch when he did that but w.e, it is what it is. Ritoky is a question mark but on the town side of null for his acivity and questioning. But he posted a town case on VE and a long null case on disfo, which felt kind of weird to me. But not a good or viable lynch for d1 anyway so yeah. NM is pretty much lock town. Good questioning following an understandable train of thought and referring to posts. Maybe I'm just a sucker for someone who makes their posts easy to read.

I wish VE was here because skimming through his filter, I still have my doubts about him over the early ES/Farrah stuff but some of his posts I cant find mafia motivation for so I want his thoughts on how EoD is shaping up.

I kind of dont wanna lynch Scott just because of past games. Like I don't really like any of his posts, but I've felt that way before because of his activity and seemingly unexplained posts and reads, especially on D1, and he flipped town more than once. Maybe I'm just scared here. But off this game alone, he's on the scum side of null. It doesn't really feel like he's trying to figure out the game, I agree, but I'm not in much position to judge activity wise.

Eversince is not here and still voting Farah. I really don't like it but what can I do when there's a medical excuse involved? And maybe I was nitpicking on her Farrah read, whatever, but I was under the impression a metaread is a read based on how someone played in a past game/games, which is what she did. But I'm not gonna beat a dead horse.

Moosy martyring is horribad and he did in fact do this last game but he isn't voting. That's a modkill risk, anyway. I just hope to god if he is town he actually starts playing if he isn't lynched or modkilled here because if we have to carry that into D2 and I end up in triple lylo again, I'm blaming him.

Farrah feels town, but not as lock town as I had her last game. The last few posts make me feel better about her, even with the switching back and forth on votes. I don't think scum is going to do that unless one is in fact her scum mate but she wants to apparently lynch both so idk.

I honestly don't know what Fecal's done but he was lazy this early last game and ended up helping me figure out the game so idk about him. Null with a slight possibility of lazy town.

Trfel has gotten a lot better since my initial suspicion on him, even though a lot of it recently seems to be centered on Scott.

Disfo's waffliness seems to be off, although I can kind of understand his hesitance on me since he TRd me at first but had nothing to go off on me since I disappeared until now. But he's voting Scott now so idk if it's scum possibly bussing if Scott is scum or if Scott is really gonna flip town D1 again after this.

TLDR I'd lynch Scott, ES, maybe disfo or ff but I'm really iffy on the last 2.

##Vote:Scott31337

Again this was super rushed and I know I have a lot of nulls/town leans but I had a lot to read in a little bit of time so I mostly skimmed filters. I'll be able to do a lot more this night phase and at work tomorrow if I get the chance