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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 18 2015 17:21 GMT
#961
On November 19 2015 02:08 geript wrote:
I make important points on Breshke->people vote Scott
I make important points on Trfel->people pretend it didn't happen


Well, this thread is awfully dead. His - basically - fear read on you does confuse me somewhat though. So I will def. look at his filter, soonish.
Meanwhile, what is your read on Farah?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 18 2015 17:21 GMT
#962
By his I mean Trfel.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
November 18 2015 17:31 GMT
#963
I don't think she's scum #3.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 18 2015 17:37 GMT
#964
On November 19 2015 02:31 geript wrote:
I don't think she's scum #3.


Any particular reason?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 18 2015 17:52 GMT
#965
Oh. Also Farrah if you are back could you please give me some updated reads?
I have like no idea where you currently are at.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 18 2015 18:26 GMT
#966
On November 18 2015 14:46 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 04:42 Trfel wrote:
There is clearly a direction in Breshke's filter, and there are also some very insightful comments. The latter is the huge part of Breshke's town play, and it's very present this game.

Looking through Breshke's filter, here's his direction:

Early question to Eversince, ends in town lean
Townread on The Shining
Town lean on geript and ritoky
Scum read on MoosyDoosy
Investigating VisceraEyes
Willing to lynch MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, and scott31337, still trying to figure out VisceraEyes
Votes for MoosyDoosy

The interesting thing here is that he's actually engaging with his scumreads and trying to get more information. He questioned VisceraEyes with a very sensible progression. His reads make sense and his pushes all have a followup.

My points on Breshke covered this entirely. Breshke should not be read on his reads. It's about how he interacts with and acts in response to what's happening in the thread. Him blandly asking questions that go no where and lead to no conclusions is part of his scum meta. So what Trfel has pointed towards is specifically his scum meta and Trfel is trying to paint him town for it.
I'll address the rest of geript's posts later. But this post is the most ridiculous.

Geript's claims are simply not true. I've tried to illustrate that by describing Breshke's thought process and read progression, Breshke's filter shows questions that are probing his suspects. And Breshke is certainly coming to conclusions, "willing to lynch" is a pretty strong conclusion.

Read Breshke's filter for yourself and it's obvious.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 18 2015 18:39 GMT
#967
On November 18 2015 23:55 disformation wrote:
Now what I found in Trfel's filter:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Wait, what the heck?

This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here.

Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town.

Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas.

He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia.

So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched?

I don't like this one bit.


Isn't that whole post basically a fear read on geript? Fear reads are bad mkay. Is he trying to sow distraction?
Not a fan but I need to read his filter for conclusions.
What the heck is a "fear read" anyway?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 18 2015 18:42 GMT
#968
Off for lunch for a bit, I have somewhere to be at the deadline but I'll try to get my thoughts typed up by then.
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
November 18 2015 18:45 GMT
#969
Confirmed Town:
Scott
Farah

I think They Are Town:
Shining
Geript
Moos
NocturneMage

I thought they were town now they are falling
VE
Eversince
Ritoky

Not Sure
Disformation
Breshke
Trfel

Good Chance of Scum
FF

I haven't done much research this game like I did last game, Ritoky could move into the Not sure and so could VE. Ever I hope comes back. And its still forming a bit and the game is rather hard at this juncture.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 18 2015 18:50 GMT
#970
On November 19 2015 03:26 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 14:46 geript wrote:
On November 18 2015 04:42 Trfel wrote:
There is clearly a direction in Breshke's filter, and there are also some very insightful comments. The latter is the huge part of Breshke's town play, and it's very present this game.

Looking through Breshke's filter, here's his direction:

Early question to Eversince, ends in town lean
Townread on The Shining
Town lean on geript and ritoky
Scum read on MoosyDoosy
Investigating VisceraEyes
Willing to lynch MoosyDoosy, Fecalfeast, and scott31337, still trying to figure out VisceraEyes
Votes for MoosyDoosy

The interesting thing here is that he's actually engaging with his scumreads and trying to get more information. He questioned VisceraEyes with a very sensible progression. His reads make sense and his pushes all have a followup.

My points on Breshke covered this entirely. Breshke should not be read on his reads. It's about how he interacts with and acts in response to what's happening in the thread. Him blandly asking questions that go no where and lead to no conclusions is part of his scum meta. So what Trfel has pointed towards is specifically his scum meta and Trfel is trying to paint him town for it.
I'll address the rest of geript's posts later. But this post is the most ridiculous.

Geript's claims are simply not true. I've tried to illustrate that by describing Breshke's thought process and read progression, Breshke's filter shows questions that are probing his suspects. And Breshke is certainly coming to conclusions, "willing to lynch" is a pretty strong conclusion.

Read Breshke's filter for yourself and it's obvious.


I don't think it is that obvious. Like nearly nothing in this game is.
No clue were VE ran off to, or what his alignment is other than geript and ritoky saying he is clearly town from meta.
No clue were Eversince is at, or what her alignment might be.
Have to wait for The Shining to come and play.
No clue about FF.
The geript vs Trfel makes no sense. Like your super strange fear read of him... cant wrap my head around that. Your whole scott/geript thing sounds super strange tbh. Also currently in yo filter. I feel like your reads are a bit frozen in time. It is like you have decided to dislike VE and geript from the very start. Though geript gave you reason to. On the other hand I quite like a bunch of interactions and questions...
Breshke does not look amazing to me. Tried to explain why when I put my vote on him.
Farah is super waffly. I have some sympathy for that, but so far I know I am the only person who is that waffly as town. xD
MoosyDoosy is prolly town but annoys the living hell out of me. :p

And the thread is super dead...
Well time to make some dinner... and yeah yeah I am just setting up to keep my options open, I know *rolleyes*
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 18 2015 19:01 GMT
#971
On November 19 2015 03:45 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Confirmed Town:
Scott
Farah

I think They Are Town:
Shining
Geript
Moos
NocturneMage

I thought they were town now they are falling
VE
Eversince
Ritoky

Not Sure
Disformation
Breshke
Trfel

Good Chance of Scum
FF

I haven't done much research this game like I did last game, Ritoky could move into the Not sure and so could VE. Ever I hope comes back. And its still forming a bit and the game is rather hard at this juncture.


Okay, thanks.

If you want to look at my previous games, I have links to them in my profile.
Dinner makings and eatings now.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 18 2015 19:25 GMT
#972
Change of plans, I guess I'm not going somewhere at the deadline.

My case on VisceraEyes still stands. VisceraEyes had a sort-of plausible explanation for the main point of my case, however his recent lack of activity is extremely mafia-motivated.

He vanished right after people started scumreading him less, right after he was pretty safe from the Day 1 lynch. And he hasn't come back since. There's no risk of him being lynched tonight, so there's no point in him playing. This feels like mafia who is being lazy and playing to survive, but he knows that he won't be able to survive for too long and that's killing his motivation.

I thought that FarahBlackwing was probably town, but MoosyDoosy's case brought up several good points. FarahBlackwing's response, however, was even more suspicious. FarahBlackwing hasn't shown much determination at all lately, and her unwillingness to seriously answer the case is not at all what I would expect from town. She said she's busy today, I guess I'll give her a day before I make any conclusions.
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
November 18 2015 19:38 GMT
#973
Trfel obviously not reading the game
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 18 2015 19:40 GMT
#974
Last points aren't bad from Trfel, partially why I suggested checking VE if someone's really doubtful.

Also geript can you please explain not using meta why Trfel is mafia?

Instead of being just wrong? I think I've been asking you that from the beginning and I really can't wrap my head around it. Scott was suspicious of Trfel using another newbie game - does it come down to blowing things out of proportion? If Trfel was malicious I could see him going for townies that are easy to push like disformation. Then again he pushed Scott but he also cased VE whom the thread leaders are ATM protecting so he's risking extra scrutiny or was by pushing VE.

Scott said Trfel wrote scummy cases but if I got some insight into how they were scummy that would help me understand.

A lot of his points do resonate in my mind so I'm having a lot of difficulties as to why Trfel is pushing Mafia agenda besides all the meta expectations being thrown out.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
November 18 2015 19:41 GMT
#975
On November 19 2015 04:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Trfel obviously not reading the game
Can you please respond to the points that MoosyDoosy brought up?

In a more direct manner than you "have", since you failed to address the points with the most merit?

I'm not the only one who liked parts of MoosyDoosy's case.
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 18 2015 19:48 GMT
#976
On November 19 2015 04:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Trfel obviously not reading the game


Does this make him "bad" or mafia?
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 18 2015 19:48 GMT
#977
On November 19 2015 03:39 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 23:55 disformation wrote:
Now what I found in Trfel's filter:
On November 18 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote:
Wait, what the heck?

This push onto Breshke is so mafia-motivated. I don't trust geript at all here.

Look at scott31337's townread of geript. He just says that geript is a top town.

Notice that he repeatedly says "Trfel could be scum or he could be town" in response to me solving the game and pushing my ideas.

He never describes any difference between me and geript, just uses the fact that I had one good game as scum to avoid townreading me. But geript is better than me at mafia, by far, and scott31337 knows this. It's impossible for him not to know that geript is extremely skilled as mafia.

So now geript comes up with this push out of nowhere to prevent scott31337 from being lynched?

I don't like this one bit.


Isn't that whole post basically a fear read on geript? Fear reads are bad mkay. Is he trying to sow distraction?
Not a fan but I need to read his filter for conclusions.
What the heck is a "fear read" anyway?


Sry missed this. Eatings right now.
A fear read is basically this "geript is super good as mafia, he could pull this off as mafia!" part you put in italics. You know as in I fear he could be mafia, because that would be very bad for town, so I need to be super suspicious of him. You don't apply this directly to geript but indirectly via this scott association thing. But you don't have any other evidence of geript being mafia than this association-fear read thing.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
November 18 2015 19:51 GMT
#978
On November 19 2015 04:48 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2015 04:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Trfel obviously not reading the game


Does this make him "bad" or mafia?


hopefully mafia would make life so much easier
FarahBlackwing
Profile Joined October 2015
270 Posts
November 18 2015 19:53 GMT
#979
That's embarrassing and the problem sharing a computer sometimes .

Anyway, I believe I have answered relevant points on moos case
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
November 18 2015 19:55 GMT
#980
On November 19 2015 04:51 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2015 04:48 NocturneMage wrote:
On November 19 2015 04:38 FarahBlackwing wrote:
Trfel obviously not reading the game


Does this make him "bad" or mafia?


hopefully mafia would make life so much easier


What? Why "hopefully"? Are you drawing an association between him and someone else? I've been told unflappable association is not a good thing.
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
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