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NocturneMage
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FarahBlackwing
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Trfel
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Early read on The Shining + Show Spoiler + On November 16 2015 05:52 geript wrote: I don't like Shining. He feels really different; not because he's posting a bit more than I remember him. His posting just seems off and not pointed to me. On November 16 2015 15:16 geript wrote: Hm, that's strange. Where did The Shining go?I'm 99% sure I've coached disinformation. I just can't remember if it was as scum or town. I really want to look at that before I give a full read on him. The bolded doesn't terribly mark me either way other than the question mark. He's made what would seem to be questions out of statements a few times. He kinda bugs me a bit but without going back to see how he thinks it's hard to say if it's scummy or just bad play. Right now. 7/7---VE/Ritoky 6/7-- 5/7-- 4.5/7--Farah 4/7--everyone else 3.5/7--Breshke 3/7--Disinfo 2/7--Trfel 1/7--Moosy I'm seriously like 99% sure moosy is scum. On November 17 2015 17:16 geript wrote: One last post. I'll be up around noon hopefully to look at things. I think Shinig or moosy would be my lynch choice. On November 18 2015 02:24 geript wrote: Two more posts about The Shining from geript's filter.Shining 5.5/7--I could be wrong on him; it's not just the fact that he's quoting in every post or thereabouts. He's no over explainy which he does as mafia. He's not really disconnected from the thread. He's had a good thought or two. Meta fits which is enough for now. I don't understand this progression, at all. Geript started out by saying that The Shining is mafia, then completely dropped his read on him, then put him as a top lynch, then decided that he's likely town for things that have already been said. On November 18 2015 01:05 Trfel wrote: Here's a post that I made before geript's post here, townreading The Shining. FarahBlackwing said similar things as well. These points were clearly visible before, geript just ignored them until he came back with this list post. He didn't reference any of the people who had posted the same thoughts before. Basically geript wasn't paying attention to one of his top scumreads.I don't want to lynch The Shining. He said that he was trying to do more work right when the game began to make up for not being able to play Monday and Tuesday, and his posting rate was much higher than it generally is. In addition to activity, his posts show attempts to gain information. Many of The Shining's scum games show fewer, larger posts to try and stay alive, rather than trying to pressure things to gain information. FarahBlackwing's post about The Shining was very good, particularly with regards to The Shining's slight shows of emotion this game. It's very different from The Shining's most recent mafia game. I could lynch MoosyDoosy, but I'm more confident in scott31337. MoosyDoosy is a wild card, scott31337 generally puts forward a good effort as town. This isn't 100% clear, I don't have time to explain it fully, but nothing changed in a very long time with The Shining, since he was busy and afk after the early portion of the game. These same points were clear the entire time. Many of geript's posts are just criticizing others for no reason/bad reasons + Show Spoiler + On November 17 2015 15:30 geript wrote: Breshke makes a point that leads him to a town lean on geript. I questioned it, and Breshke responded. The discussion ended there, and then geript made the above post about 8 hours later. Town!geript shouldn't care about this, because the discussion has been long since over, and because the conclusion isn't incorrect. Geript is not drawing any conclusion himself from this post, either. There's just zero reason for this post to be made as town.There's really nothing special about it. For scientific studies, usually we talk about rating things on an odd scale (5 or 7 usually). 1 and 7 are extremes; 4 is exactly in the middle, 2-3 and 5-6 leaning but not there. It just actually fits things better: 7/7=total town no doubts 6/7=90% town but some doubts 5/7=more likely town than not but ??? 4/7=null 3/7=more likely scum than not but ??? 2/7=90% scum but some doubts 1/7=total scum Like this is such an irrelevant point. get back to something important. On November 17 2015 15:22 geript wrote: Bold emphasis mine.Trfel has stayed teh same; but I kinda don't want to lynch him D1 because I remembered when I woke up that Tina says he always looks scummy D1 but gets better. I didn't like his stuff on Disinfo; just felt over inflated. It's not awful, but it is a bit over inflated it hink Given that I said here that I messed up and misinterpreted something for the most important point of my post, geript's statement is an extremely accurate description. Which in no way makes me mafia, it means that I messed up. His conclusion comes from nowhere. Running out of time, there are more examples, but I need to get this out before the deadline. Finally, geript's reads on Breshke and me don't show anything. Geript never addressed the points about my case on VisceraEyes, one of his strongest townreads. He just said that my case is awful. When I said that he never addressed my case, he posted criticisms of a few random thoughts on scott31337. He didn't even comment on my more complete case on scott31337, he commented on the extremely brief summary. He also drastically misrepresents my statements. His read on Breshke involves a ton of claims that just aren't true. On November 18 2015 14:46 geript wrote: Breshke doesn't have questions that go nowhere, and he definitely has drawn conclusions. I described that in the very post that he quoted. Geript just said "no, Trfel is misrepresenting things" without addressing that my argument is based on facts which were clearly laid out in the post.My points on Breshke covered this entirely. Breshke should not be read on his reads. It's about how he interacts with and acts in response to what's happening in the thread. Him blandly asking questions that go no where and lead to no conclusions is part of his scum meta. So what Trfel has pointed towards is specifically his scum meta and Trfel is trying to paint him town for it. Conclusion I'm not completely sure on geript yet. He seems really scummy, but he also has a large ego as town. Geript, if you are town, humor me for a moment. Explain things in a way that a lesser player (aka the vast majority of this game) can understand (aka no meta, and a clear connection between evidence and conclusions). Why is Breshke mafia? Why is VisceraEyes town? Why are the points that I have brought up invalid? 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Trfel
7015 Posts
On November 19 2015 04:48 disformation wrote: Okay, well you're simply wrong.Sry missed this. Eatings right now. A fear read is basically this "geript is super good as mafia, he could pull this off as mafia!" part you put in italics. You know as in I fear he could be mafia, because that would be very bad for town, so I need to be super suspicious of him. You don't apply this directly to geript but indirectly via this scott association thing. But you don't have any other evidence of geript being mafia than this association-fear read thing. Several times I've described that geript's play does not make sense at all to me. I still haven't put it all in one place, I ran out of time with the above post. But geript's play has a ton of things that I'm suspicious of. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Day 2 Chapter 2: Struggle of the Fool Flavor is for fun, and does not have any clues regarding the setup Patience is a Virtue. The body of VisceraEyes the Military Dog has been found! geript the Military Dog went missing in the night! Day 2 ends on Friday, Nov 20 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in | ||
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Trfel
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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FarahBlackwing
270 Posts
##vote breshke claim vigilante | ||
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NocturneMage
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On November 19 2015 05:06 FarahBlackwing wrote: Ok, ##vote breshke claim vigilante On November 19 2015 03:45 FarahBlackwing wrote: Confirmed Town: Scott Farah I think They Are Town: Shining Geript Moos NocturneMage I thought they were town now they are falling VE Eversince Ritoky Not Sure Disformation Breshke Trfel Good Chance of Scum FF I haven't done much research this game like I did last game, Ritoky could move into the Not sure and so could VE. Ever I hope comes back. And its still forming a bit and the game is rather hard at this juncture. I am not sure I understand. | ||
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FarahBlackwing
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disformation
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On November 19 2015 05:14 FarahBlackwing wrote: I was telling the vigilante to claim not that I was vigilante *facepalm* thanks, carry on. | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
Also looking at the EoN post and the OP, I kinda have a speculation here. Geripts body went missing. The vigs role description is Rroy Mustang, burns up a guy. VEs body was found. Am I wrong for thinking scum just told us the setup? I think geript was the vig shot(body disappeared cuz it was burned up) and VE was townread but not by all and inactive towards end of day. Maybe a medic dodge? Should I even be speculating on this? Lol | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On November 19 2015 05:21 The Shining wrote: I just got into work 20 mins ago. I've got a lot of reading to do but I should be here all day, as long as work stays slow. Also looking at the EoN post and the OP, I kinda have a speculation here. Geripts body went missing. The vigs role description is Rroy Mustang, burns up a guy. VEs body was found. Am I wrong for thinking scum just told us the setup? I think geript was the vig shot(body disappeared cuz it was burned up) and VE was townread but not by all and inactive towards end of day. Maybe a medic dodge? Should I even be speculating on this? Lol Welcome back.  I'd rather have you put out some reads and stuff, since there is not much to read from you and I am not in love with your EoD post. | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
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The Shining
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On November 19 2015 05:31 NocturneMage wrote: Shining it says flavour is for fun. In any case, its possible scum could have tried to blue hunt and VE the kill but who knows. That's why I asked if it was even worth me looking into. Regardless if Vig claims and claims who he shot, its moot...unless I'm right. Also if NKs are going by the same structure, the n2 NK would be typed up the same as n1 NK and we'd know which was the vig shot. But that's useless right now. It was just something I found interesting. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
MoosyDoosy (4): FarahBlackwing (1): Eversince, Fecalfeast (1): VisceraEyes Breshke (1): geript, The Shining (0): Trfel (0): VisceraEyes (0): mooseydoosey (0): disinformation (0): So the wasted votes minus Eversince were town. This tells us that town is... + Show Spoiler + Super good at voting+ Show Spoiler + ACE DETECTIVE Especially if MD is indeed town, which I think is likely, anyone on of the remaining people could be maffay, from looking at the vca alone. *sigh* | ||
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On November 19 2015 05:38 The Shining wrote: I don't think anyone is. Hell I even wasn't, I rushed through it. And I had a feeling this was another inactive Scott d1 town lynch and I ended up being right but I took a chance which didn't pay out =/ but the other option was Moosy, and his posting since he started playing makes me feel better about him. I just wish he hadn't waited until N1 to do so. I do like that he also took the time to post 2 cases on both Farrah and yourself, though if I'm being honest I haven't fully read his case on you. I was more interested in his Farrah case, since I already had suspicions on you and had her as town. And I'm known for being very wrong early game lol Kinda had the same problem, which is why I tried to switch to Breskhe, but ended up switching back to scott anyway. So fair enough I guess.^^ | ||
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