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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
I honestly didn't consider him before because his slot in general has just been so inactive. I know in Newbie LX he was lurky town. Has he ever been borderline inactive as town? But I know you play with him elsewhere, and if his meta is a lurky scumgame, your vote makes perfect sense. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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Half the Sky
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
"People" aren't defending Dwarf. It's just prplhz whom some of us take issue with and we're hinting at a double standard in teh way he's treating Bourne and Dwarf. Most of us are nulling him, he's a policy vote for most of us. | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
TheBloodyDwarf (2): Bourneq, The Shining The Shining (3): Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel Bourneq (1): prplhz Half the Sky (0): prplhz (2): Stutters695, jarjarbinks Stutters695 (0): Not voting (3): TheBloodyDwarf, Tubesock, Half the Sky Currently, The Shining is set to be lynched. Deadline is Tuesday, Apr 14 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + VOTE: prplhz voted Half the Sky (post) VOTE: rsoultin voted Half-the-Sky (Half the Sky) (post) VOTE: Breshke voted Stutters (Stutters695) (post) VOTE: Tubesock voted Half the Sky (post) VOTE: Stutters695 voted prplhz (post) VOTE: rsoultin unvoted Half the Sky (post) VOTE: Breshke unvoted Stutters695 (post) VOTE: Tubesock unvoted Half the Sky (post) VOTE: jarjarbinks voted Prp (prplhz) (post) WARNING: prplhz changed vote without unvote (post) VOTE: prplhz unvoted Half the Sky (post) VOTE: prplhz voted Bourneq (post) VOTE: Bourneq voted thebloodydwarf (TheBloodyDwarf) (post) VOTE: Breshke voted Theshining (The Shining) (post) VOTE: rsoultin voted The Shining (post) VOTE: Trfel voted The Shining (post) VOTE: The Shining voted TheBloodyDwarf (post) | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
What I did do is I took (arguably) the most suspicious part of prplhz's filter, and I showed why I view it as towny. I don't see at all why prplhz would decide to switch to Stutters695 to mislynch him instead of plotspot. I mean, I suppose it's possible, but I don't think that this is something that mafia would want to do, as the gain feels minimal, while the amount of work required is much more. Getting the lynch off of plotspot wasn't very likely anyway. I just don't think that the mafia motivation to do this is significant. On April 15 2015 02:14 Half the Sky wrote: I just don't see it. Prplhz gave reasons. At this point, he was sort of acting on feel as well (everyone was). Yes, he could have feasibly chosen anyone in Tubesock's list to switch votes to, but he provided his reasons for doing so, so it doesn't matter? Given the chances he had of getting the Stutters695 lynch, there's next to zero mafia motivation at all for the play that he made.Directed at Trfel - this is the quote to support what he was working through. I don't think that Stutters695 presented a valid case at all. I think that his case is a misrepresentation of prplhz's play, and I arrive at the exact opposite conclusion. As for prplhz's stances on TheBloodyDwarf and Bourneq, I don't think it's terribly significant at this time. He sees two new players, objectively inexperienced. One of them, he sees where their play is coming from, and he townreads them, while the other he scumreads. This is plausible enough. Also, were I scum with TheBloodyDwarf, I would just bus him. He's not really worth defending, unless he's the roleblocker, and maybe even then. TheBloodyDwarf stands a good chance of being lynched at some point in the game, and if he does flip scum, prplhz will look very bad for his defense. Yes, it's possible that his push on Stutters695 was done as scum. Yes, it's possible that prplhz is scum with TheBloodyDwarf and is thus defending him while trying to get Bourneq lynched. But neither of those reasons really implicate him. And concluding that prplhz is scum because of this ignores the rest of his filter, in which he has been extremely active and has been trying to solve the game. I don't see why it should be assumed that these actions are scummy, when they could just as easily (if not moreso) come from town, given prplhz's overall filter level. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Do you mean activity? Because after D2 he picked it up. Can you clarify that? | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I just don't have much time today at all. I spend yesterday catching up on the thread, which took basically the whole day. And today, I only have an hour and a half to actually prepare for the lynch. I was townreading Breshke earlier, but maybe people are on to something, as it seems that a lot of people want to lynch him. I'll spend maybe ten minutes looking at him now, but perhaps that is something for people to look in to. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
His vote on me was without interacting with me at all, even when I tried. He clarifies stuff, asks a question and drops it, with the exception of plot, whom he dropped. I don't even mind him dropping plot but he has offered nothing outside of it and even his plot case was underwhelming. The.100% town thing isn't a good reason and prpl knows it. So the only thing he's really said is about plot posting "feelers" to change his vote and that plot didn't give off townie paranoia. Hardly groundbreaking analysis. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
See you guys (hopefully) before the deadline. Final note, did anyone else find The Shining's phrasing weird? On April 15 2015 02:35 The Shining wrote: Imagine, if you are town, I don't think this is the natural phrasing. I would say "I am town" or "I am not scum". It's not terribly important, but it seems a little off to me.I have absolutely 0 chance of flipping scum. I'll take a look at what The Shining does between now and the deadline (assuming I get a chance), but he hasn't done anything that makes me want to keep him alive yet. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
 I had to do some homework for tomorrow or its very likely I fail the course. Fuck it, I am not solving that with my current skills  Like why do I even need these skills?...Did I really sign up for this?  Sorry for being afk today btw. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: TheBloodyDwarf I can't vote for Prplhz or Stutters695. Not today anyway. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
Sorry, im trying my best  | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 14 2015 21:48 Bourneq wrote: Good afternoon! Ill start with me "jumping to reads". My feelings on dwarf day 1 "I really like TBD's explenation of his behaviour but not reading the OP is really reckless and I would like fellow towns to know the rules and the pace of the game. But tbd seems as new as me at this so I will tread carefully here." Basicly I thought I should give TBD some time to give reads and get into the game before I jumped to a conclusion. Next up was Ace because he had not said a word all game. Since I did not have much to go on so early in the game I was concidering making a policy lynch. So when asked if I had to cast my vote right now who would I cast it on I said Ace. There was still plenty of time left of d1 so I was almost certain I would never acctualy cast that vote. As d1 went on and I got to read the cases against plotspot and my own personal reads of him I felt plotspot was the correct lynch. I had been keeping "my options open" because I did not feel I had very strong reads but that my strongest read was on plot. That was my first ever day of mafia so I would be a fool to trust my very first reads to much. So to answer "2 Was queried multiple times on the read switches from plotspot to TBD to Ace (who would be policy) to plotspot. Gives an answer to prplhz saying that TBD was most likely scum. " I am not sure what you meant by "read switches". Early on in the day I was getting bad vibes from tbd who was acting pretty suspicious to me. But it was early on in the day so I was going to give him time to redeem himself. He did not do much of anything for the rest of the day while plotspot was making a very bad case for himself and I thought that my reads on him were stronger than thoose I had on tbd. Somewhere in the middle of d1 I am asked who I would vote on if I had to vote that very second. I answered Ace because I did not feel enough information had surfaced on anybody so a policy lynch would be in good order. First, I'm glad you're voting Dwarf. Second, the way I read your list post you basically scummed everysingle person on that list except for Breshke. Later you said you only have 2 scums...Can you update please? | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
At least Shining has done something. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On April 15 2015 01:33 Trfel wrote: TheBloodyDwarf + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2015 16:15 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I feel that this is a key post from TheBloodyDwarf. After a long series of rules misunderstandings and not really adjusting to the game properly, TheBloodyDwarf states (in bold) that this is a different game than SC2 arcade mafia. Because of this post, I am willing to forgive him his previous errors. And from this point out, I expect to see him attempting to play the game in the forum mafia style, instead of the SC2 arcade mafia style. But I don't see him following through with this.Looks like I have to bit explain myself. After reading this I think my posts make more sense. This is not sc2 arcade mafia. I thought day 1 is just day for chat. Nothing happens before somebody brings evidency to table. Also I didnt know its insta lynch who gets most votes. So pretty much my day1 posts mean nothing. I felt like everybody is chatting (felt for me) and then suddenly Soren333 starts replying to those chatty posts. I thought it looked really funny and he even asked questions that I answered later but before he asked again. Also I didnt know that scum means mafia. I realized scum means mafia way way later. "Everybody has little scum inside them" Isn't that just like some IRC chat? like talking to friends? Nobody trying to be serious kind of answer. Why I voted somebody? Looks like you have to vote everyday or you get kicked out of the game. (again this is not sc2 mafia..). I just voted fearing maybe I forget or don't have time to vote and admins kick me out. Why fear of death some ask? Well, I want to play this game and not to die? "I hope our cop or vigi is good". Again, I was expecting cop to give some "evidence" to table and then people discuss is that person trustful and can his claims even be possible. But that's all wrong. Looks like you make your presumption based on chat. With feels quite weird to me now but I am noob playing this mafia for the first time and some here are experts. So I have to see how this works out. So I think I have time to rethink who to vote so, ##UNVOTE On April 10 2015 16:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: This is one read that he provides, he says that he liked prplhz the least by the time he voted for him.^^^And I voted for guy who I least liked so far^^^ On April 11 2015 20:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Back to the point. Call my blind but I just don't see anything really suspicious. I was going to vote for Ace but now he is gone. Soren is bit weird tho. He comes to thread with fireguns bangging and then goes silent for moment. But nothing special. Also Stutters is really quiet. On April 11 2015 23:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: TheBloodyDwarf also provides these two posts before End of Day, which actually provide sufficient explanation for his late vote on Stutters695.I dont find anybody really suspicious.. Stutters695. Checking his filter and I mostly see questions. Looks like he doesn't really have own opinion but is asking others what do they think. btw, I dont like you Tubesock, you have been chasing me from the beginning  There's really no reason to go either way on him. Since the post I first mentioned, his play has changed. I can see him as a new player who simply is having trouble finding suspicious things. However, outside of a possible toneread, I see no reason to townread him either, as he hasn't done anything amazing. I can easily see TheBloodyDwarf being either alignment, so I don't really want to lynch him today. The most suspicious thing about him is really his inactivity, he hasn't shared any reads at all since Day 1. But that isn't really alignment indicative. He might need to be policy lynched eventually, but I see more reason to lynch The Shining, at least (if not others as well). You won't policy him now? When is a good time for that? MYLO????? | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
TheBloodyDwarf (3): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock The Shining (3): Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel Bourneq (1): prplhz Half the Sky (0): prplhz (2): Stutters695, jarjarbinks Stutters695 (0): Not voting (2): TheBloodyDwarf, Half the Sky Currently, The Shining is set to be lynched. Deadline is Tuesday, Apr 14 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. + Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] + VOTE: prplhz voted Half the Sky (post) VOTE: rsoultin voted Half-the-Sky (Half the Sky) (post) VOTE: Breshke voted Stutters (Stutters695) (post) VOTE: Tubesock voted Half the Sky (post) VOTE: Stutters695 voted prplhz (post) VOTE: rsoultin unvoted Half the Sky (post) VOTE: Breshke unvoted Stutters695 (post) VOTE: Tubesock unvoted Half the Sky (post) VOTE: jarjarbinks voted Prp (prplhz) (post) WARNING: prplhz changed vote without unvote (post) VOTE: prplhz unvoted Half the Sky (post) VOTE: prplhz voted Bourneq (post) VOTE: Bourneq voted thebloodydwarf (TheBloodyDwarf) (post) VOTE: Breshke voted Theshining (The Shining) (post) VOTE: rsoultin voted The Shining (post) VOTE: Trfel voted The Shining (post) VOTE: The Shining voted TheBloodyDwarf (post) WARNING: Tubesock unvoted without vote (post) VOTE: Tubesock voted TheBloodyDwarf (post) | ||
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