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Hey this is the first time i gonna put a statement her to the whole situation after the statements.
I don t get why this had to happen and Genna now gonna leave it but she might be even more emotional than me but then i dont actually understand why she reacted like this - everyone is different but here my story.
First of all i wanna appologize that i reacted emotional! This is not correct and nothing i can take back.
And now you get my 100% honest thought about the situation and this probably even pushed her to stop?
I really didnt wanna say to much about the whole situation cause i think it just hurts both sites and makes no sense at all i am always the guy who tries to find a solution together in every single way in privat at work family whatever.
So what do i do? I try to talk to people to solve problems if they happen which can always happen sometimes i fuck up sometimes someone else or whoever but in the end for me its just important to find a solution with everyone TOGETHER!
For myself i would never post privat chats which i had with someone- if its about privat stuff like friends/Girlfriend whatever even if i am angry or businessstuff like in this case cause this can hurt everyone not only one person and for myself you hurt my privacy which is very important to me.
A few things i wanna ADD. i kept talking to Genna about a statement about Axiom not attending she did saturday, sunday, monday, tuesday and i think she posted it wednesday? She never responded just saturday once she is in a broadcast or so and will come back to me later. i reminded her 5 times or more on different days and she even talked to other people that she got my messages but never wanted to answer me - and in the end she said cause of the timezones we missed each other!??! I dont know but this is pretty lame. I really hate it that i have to do a statement like this and its also kinda emotional cause all this means alot to me i have one aim doing a good job make alot of people happy and enjoy what i do but no its me getting shit because i tried to calm down for the whole situation and dont bring up any bad words about anyone cause everyone does mistakes from time to time and she publishes every single word we discussed in private about this thing - Is this what we call professional? At least i dont see that.
I will still not publish stuff she said cause even if i am angry i will just describe a little bit...
In the whole season she almost never replied to emails once she didnt answer 11 days or so? on 10 mails...as you probably realized we even had to do replaycasts cause axiom didnt play thier matches - Genna (when she answered) mentioned they have stuff to do but with the day we talked to Crank instead of her it worked perfectly fine and even the players thought they have to wait and dont have to play games even when we were pushing it alot and reminded her etc..
Its really frustrating to me tbh cause what i wanted from the start was just a statement from both sites that the situation was fucked up abit and both sites did some mistakes and no one would ever be angry so why Genna didn you try to get something solved together and now act like this? I even told you before saturday that if you do a statement please lets do it together and find the best possible way for everyone.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!!!
But lets come back to why this all started - Axiom expected us to pay 100% of the trip which we never said/Promised or even mentioned we with a single word. We cant promise stuff like this if we dont have the ressources for it. So we didnt.
We sent an email which said we have 20k pricemoney and an offline finale and they agreed to play it via mail.
After they played the last playday they realize we dont pay the whole trip cause we give them a reminder that we offer 1500 and hotels and then this happens? This is very sad honestly.
How would you ever expect we can pay 4 teams fulltrips from korea and wouldnt even mention it to the teams? I think the only organizazion who can provide it is Blizzard at the moment?
One thing which was just meant as a help for the teams was the support we give and i know that the costs are very high for all teams thats why i wanted to have this support and kept talking to sponsors about it and for Season 2 we even want to raise it that was sure from the beginning but we never knew if the league will work out it was a nice try.
But well our mistake was to not communicate it. We wanted and thought the mail was sent to everyone at Cebit in March but it wasn t. I am sorry about that to all teams!
But still i think if i dont communicate any help you won t expect any support at all cause you dont go to a Dreamhack or HomeStorycup and expect we pay all trips and not even tell you.
I really love what i do and i do it every day 7 days 80hours+ a week almost all over the year and only take very small breaks from esport to get some privat time and vacation etc. Cause i love esport and i appreciate it soo much that i can have a job in this business but honestly this really hurts me my motivation my heart and i am honestly sad really sad that this has to happen.
Right now i have almost all emotions in me but also i am angry about what Genna does and how she handled it.now i also wrote what i think she did wrong but if i wouldnt do it i could not live with what she did and on the same moment feel okay.
@Genna - If you finally wanna talk for the first time about the statement and how everything went seriously i am still up for it even if so much shit flew around.
Since she posted so much she also posted that i pay costs for Liquid from my own privat wallet cause the situation was not perfect and i wanted to find a solution and LIQUID kept talking to me and really wanted to find a solution.
One more thing i even offered Genna that i would think about also helping them also from my own money to bring them here - She never reacted on that and tried to find a conversation about this and in the very end after she almost never replied i said okay well we cant pay it cause i already felt bad that i offer solutions and try to find options but the other site seems like they not even care.
I want to appologize to the whole community for what i did wrong and the whole situation i honestly think no one is perfect expecially me and everyone does some mistakes but this makes me look so bad cause someone probably even wanted this happen...and didnt even try to fix stuff together.
This was MY honest statement which could even have more stuff in it - Its what I think and no one else.
I ve seen comments about NOW i won t watch TaKeTV anymore which really hurted me alot tbh but i think i explained my situation and what happend if people still say okay TaKe is an Idiot i respect it and i lost viewers cause this is what i think and did cause its me.
Thank you for reading my horrible text!
//Dennis
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On August 16 2013 20:25 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 20:03 Passion wrote:On August 16 2013 18:25 StarGalaxy wrote:
When i read Intricacy first blog about ATC i was wondering if Dennis would be ok with that. There were some serious damaging stuff in it.
For example: ( i already promised liquid quiet some time ago that i will pay some extracost which actually was planed to get paid by acer but they refused this)
This makes Acer look very bad. I really hope this incident won't have any effect of further sponsering of acer...
I don't know what happened there but that is not something that you should make public before talking to dennis. You should NEVER make PRIVATE conversations public without the permission of the people involved.
Bullshit. This isn't private at all. This is business. Don't tell lies or dirty secrets if you don't want them out there. Take shouldn't say stuff that might make Acer look bad. It's his sponsor. Besides, this situation probably was his fuck up to start with - he planned on Acer paying something they never agreed upon. Rather stupid. In any case, Acer supports esports with their money, which is awesome. Not sure how anything could make them look bad... And again, if there's no non-disclosure agreement, everything is fair game. In general, I can't believe the shit TL is giving TB et al , starting page one with remarks like this; On August 16 2013 12:47 geokilla wrote:
Axiom is screwed. Slayers is dead. Again. Genna is avoiding the problem instead of facing it. Are you fucking seriously? All most people here have ever done for this passion of ours is ruin its taste by pissing all over it. Thank you so much. So i assume you dont run a business? Every business conversation is by default private, thats not a law but common sense and you basically digging a hole for yourself and your business. Now esports is a mess anyway but in any other industry you would be fucked cause no one would want to work with you again unless you come with deals they cant resist. You dont bring your dirty laundry to the public, you handle it like grown up business folk and take responsibility for your own faults and dont blame others cause some people are upset and it makes you look bad. Take it like a grown up. Btw what lies and dirty secrets did Take say? All i read is that Genna assumed the travel costs would be paid fully cause she didn't hear otherwise and Take tried to help to make something out of it. Axiom didn't get the travel funds and Genna lost her mind and thought it would be smart to make private conversations public where everyone can read that she fucked up. Your a Axiom fan or something and i get that but your really making yourself look foolish with defending this crap.
You're funny 
You're wrong in every assumption, good job!
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Three prominent community figures going at it is terrible for the scene. I don't really give a hoot who is in the right here. But I will say I'll miss Genna, however I fully respect Take wanting private discussions to stay private and also for being the bigger man and staying silent at a time when TB is doing his weekly jackass rounds.
I believe that a community where prominent community figures and the general public go hand-in-hand, is not ready for total transparency and happenings such as MLG not elaborating on their decisions is the right way to go. We are simply too close to the sun to handle truth and disputes without a shitstorm of pointlessness.
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On August 16 2013 19:22 Dayshi wrote:
"I can understand Dennis attitude, you simple DON'T RELEASE A PRIVATE CONVERSATION BEFORE SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER!!!!
This makes me so angry..."
Thats it, exactly. This is a lack of respect from her, or idk but something wrong. It's.. just wow.
i can't get it :'(
yeah exactly!
I rarely post in this forum, but this situation makes me change my mind.
Thing is: TB also thinks that he has the right to critizise everyone and everything,while he and also his wife don't understand that professional business is made in private and it is kept that way! always.
I am a project manager for a german software company, that I don't want to call by name, but believe me... If someone would release private conversations about a business partner... he would not only be fired... he would never get a job in the business again!
And this is basically what Genna did... and that makes me so angry! She could have simply called Dennis via skype and they could have had a little talk... but now you post private conversations in the public like a little child.
Fact is: It doesn't matter if she was correct or not, she didn't even talk with Dennis about the stuff... so he was angry. UNDERSTANDABLE!!!
ah man I can't comprehend the shit that is going on in the last few weeks in the SC2 scene...
To TB:
You think you are the god of managing event? Man I do this for multi million dollar projects. Last project I managed, we installed our software on a pharma site that produces medicine for over 7 billion a year and you think you are doing important stuff?????
Man you don't even know how it feels like to screw up, if I screw up even 5 hours in my job the companies that use our software loose millions of money... AND I AM RESPONSIBLE.
So from a professional manager:
The way you behave, the way you bring your critizism to the public, especially against blizzard and in the past against "Take TV" as a company is SO unprofessional I can't even comprehend how bad you handle situations.
If you wan't bliz to change the WCS, if you want to change how business is made in esports... You have to be and make an example: Instead you publicly throw shit at everyone and everything. Which is exactly not the way you treat people that do mistakes, because then they don't have any chance to do better... And also: Everyone is waiting for one of your next mistakes..... just because: If you critizise in public, you have to do it a hundret times better of your own...
And I promize you,... you will do a mistake... and I will be there waiting...
Funny thing is: I have the money and connections to support a team... I really do. I thought about it for quite a while... but what I see in the last few weeks... I changed my mind again... If I can't be certain that private conversations are kept a secret.. I can't be sure that business agreements with sponsors are kept a secret aswell...
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On August 16 2013 20:33 Resilient wrote:
Three prominent community figures going at it is terrible for the scene. I don't really give a hoot who is in the right here. But I will say I'll miss Genna, however I fully respect Take wanting private discussions to stay private and also for being the bigger man and staying silent at a time when TB is doing his weekly jackass rounds.
I believe that a community where prominent community figures and the general public go hand-in-hand, is not ready for total transparency and happenings such as MLG not elaborating on their decisions is the right way to go. We are simply too close to the sun to handle truth and disputes without a shitstorm of pointlessness.
One person posting a selection of private communications without talking to the other party beforehand is not "total transparency".
According to Take's post, he wanted to discuss a statement prior to what eventually got said.
Genna doesn't appear to have posted those up?
Total transparency isn't one party picking and choosing what they reveal without discussing it with other people first. Having one side's view isn't transparency.
Apparently Axiom have a PR co-ordinator. Must have been asleep at the wheel.
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On August 16 2013 20:31 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 20:25 TheSir wrote:On August 16 2013 20:03 Passion wrote:On August 16 2013 18:25 StarGalaxy wrote:
When i read Intricacy first blog about ATC i was wondering if Dennis would be ok with that. There were some serious damaging stuff in it.
For example: ( i already promised liquid quiet some time ago that i will pay some extracost which actually was planed to get paid by acer but they refused this)
This makes Acer look very bad. I really hope this incident won't have any effect of further sponsering of acer...
I don't know what happened there but that is not something that you should make public before talking to dennis. You should NEVER make PRIVATE conversations public without the permission of the people involved.
Bullshit. This isn't private at all. This is business. Don't tell lies or dirty secrets if you don't want them out there. Take shouldn't say stuff that might make Acer look bad. It's his sponsor. Besides, this situation probably was his fuck up to start with - he planned on Acer paying something they never agreed upon. Rather stupid. In any case, Acer supports esports with their money, which is awesome. Not sure how anything could make them look bad... And again, if there's no non-disclosure agreement, everything is fair game. In general, I can't believe the shit TL is giving TB et al , starting page one with remarks like this; On August 16 2013 12:47 geokilla wrote:
Axiom is screwed. Slayers is dead. Again. Genna is avoiding the problem instead of facing it. Are you fucking seriously? All most people here have ever done for this passion of ours is ruin its taste by pissing all over it. Thank you so much. So i assume you dont run a business? Every business conversation is by default private, thats not a law but common sense and you basically digging a hole for yourself and your business. Now esports is a mess anyway but in any other industry you would be fucked cause no one would want to work with you again unless you come with deals they cant resist. You dont bring your dirty laundry to the public, you handle it like grown up business folk and take responsibility for your own faults and dont blame others cause some people are upset and it makes you look bad. Take it like a grown up. Btw what lies and dirty secrets did Take say? All i read is that Genna assumed the travel costs would be paid fully cause she didn't hear otherwise and Take tried to help to make something out of it. Axiom didn't get the travel funds and Genna lost her mind and thought it would be smart to make private conversations public where everyone can read that she fucked up. Your a Axiom fan or something and i get that but your really making yourself look foolish with defending this crap. You're funny You're wrong in every assumption, good job!
Thanks, im here all night and good job in proofing me wrong.
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On August 16 2013 20:29 TaKeSeN wrote:
Hey this is the first time i gonna put a statement her to the whole situation after the statements.
[snip]
//Dennis
Good post Dennis. Good job on trying to keep talking, and offering the hand to Axiom, well done.
Won't really comment on specifics (bit pointless), but I appreciate your post, and like the attitude that transpires from it.
Good luck with everything, and I hope you guys can talk this out in a professional manner...
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On August 16 2013 20:31 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 20:25 TheSir wrote:On August 16 2013 20:03 Passion wrote:On August 16 2013 18:25 StarGalaxy wrote:
When i read Intricacy first blog about ATC i was wondering if Dennis would be ok with that. There were some serious damaging stuff in it.
For example: ( i already promised liquid quiet some time ago that i will pay some extracost which actually was planed to get paid by acer but they refused this)
This makes Acer look very bad. I really hope this incident won't have any effect of further sponsering of acer...
I don't know what happened there but that is not something that you should make public before talking to dennis. You should NEVER make PRIVATE conversations public without the permission of the people involved.
Bullshit. This isn't private at all. This is business. Don't tell lies or dirty secrets if you don't want them out there. Take shouldn't say stuff that might make Acer look bad. It's his sponsor. Besides, this situation probably was his fuck up to start with - he planned on Acer paying something they never agreed upon. Rather stupid. In any case, Acer supports esports with their money, which is awesome. Not sure how anything could make them look bad... And again, if there's no non-disclosure agreement, everything is fair game. In general, I can't believe the shit TL is giving TB et al , starting page one with remarks like this; On August 16 2013 12:47 geokilla wrote:
Axiom is screwed. Slayers is dead. Again. Genna is avoiding the problem instead of facing it. Are you fucking seriously? All most people here have ever done for this passion of ours is ruin its taste by pissing all over it. Thank you so much. So i assume you dont run a business? Every business conversation is by default private, thats not a law but common sense and you basically digging a hole for yourself and your business. Now esports is a mess anyway but in any other industry you would be fucked cause no one would want to work with you again unless you come with deals they cant resist. You dont bring your dirty laundry to the public, you handle it like grown up business folk and take responsibility for your own faults and dont blame others cause some people are upset and it makes you look bad. Take it like a grown up. Btw what lies and dirty secrets did Take say? All i read is that Genna assumed the travel costs would be paid fully cause she didn't hear otherwise and Take tried to help to make something out of it. Axiom didn't get the travel funds and Genna lost her mind and thought it would be smart to make private conversations public where everyone can read that she fucked up. Your a Axiom fan or something and i get that but your really making yourself look foolish with defending this crap. You're funny You're wrong in every assumption, good job!
If you're in a business that feels that it is ok to publish any information I write to you without an NDA, than I hope I do never have to do any business with you. Thuggish behaviour like this only plays in the hands of lawyers (who write NDAs), not anyone else.
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I think, maybe you shouldn't have posted this private conversation either.
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On August 16 2013 20:21 Passion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 20:11 Tobberoth wrote:On August 16 2013 20:03 Passion wrote:
And again, if there's no non-disclosure agreement, everything is fair game.
Do you ask your friends to sign non-disclosure agreements every time you tell them something you might not want them to write on facebook that you said? No, you probably don't, because there's mutual trust and understanding, which is important in business as well. Edit: Why I'm reacting to this I'm not entirely sure - it's an utterly retarded comparison. As I stated before, this isn't private but pure business. Companies don't have moral values, companies don't know ethics, it's the whole reason we've created companies - so we can fuck each other over without getting personal. Anyway, here it comes; I wouldn't say things I'd be embarrassed to have published. Also, unless I specifically state that this shouldn't be made public (which you can consider an NDA), I couldn't be mad about this happening. Finally, if I'd treat them in such manner or threaten them with all kinds of stuff, I'd be slightly naive to expect them to keep it to themselves.
You must have a terrible experience with businesses, and it saddens me to hear you have your own business after comments such as "companies don't know ethics". Good companies do, which is why they are good companies. Professional people know how to handle themselves in business. Just look at TL for example, could you see them in a situation such as this, leaking skype conversations publicly? Hardly.
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On August 16 2013 20:29 TaKeSeN wrote:
We sent an email which said we have 20k pricemoney and an offline finale and they agreed to play it via mail.
After they played the last playday they realize we dont pay the whole trip cause we give them a reminder that we offer 1500 and hotels and then this happens? This is very sad honestly.
//Dennis
This is where it all stemmed from, i keep saying it and everyone else is jumping up and down about bullshit that doesnt matter. Genna assumed this, never looked into it or had any information regarding it and everything went to shit because of it. She realised she fucked up and started trying to strawman / put blame where it wasnt (at people and other information) then all of a sudden has a breakdown and leaves the team when it doesnt work.
Its sad honestly, both that she fucked up and she has other personal / business issues not regarding the team, but its no excuse to 1) fuck up and especially 2) start throwing around private emails / walls of text that dont even matter and shitflinging at people.
This could have been solved with one line.
"I didnt realise my team would have to pay for travel and accommodation to an offline finals" Followed by "It is my fault, i assumed the costs would be paid with no information stating or remotely hinting at this and i neglected to read the email properly that informed us of an offline finals" Ending with! "Im sorry."
Instead of lying about not being told about an offline finals (in the same post she posted a private email saying there WAS an offline finals) and untold other crap.
Again. AssUMe
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Hopefully everyone will still support Axiom and TakeTV. If you're even considering to not do so based on this mess I'd say you are a fanatic not a fan.
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On August 16 2013 20:29 TaKeSeN wrote:
Hey this is the first time i gonna put a statement her to the whole situation after the statements.
I don t get why this had to happen and Genna now gonna leave it but she might be even more emotional than me but then i dont actually understand why she reacted like this - everyone is different but here my story.
First of all i wanna appologize that i reacted emotional! This is not correct and nothing i can take back.
And now you get my 100% honest thought about the situation and this probably even pushed her to stop?
I really didnt wanna say to much about the whole situation cause i think it just hurts both sites and makes no sense at all i am always the guy who tries to find a solution together in every single way in privat at work family whatever.
So what do i do? I try to talk to people to solve problems if they happen which can always happen sometimes i fuck up sometimes someone else or whoever but in the end for me its just important to find a solution with everyone TOGETHER!
For myself i would never post privat chats which i had with someone- if its about privat stuff like friends/Girlfriend whatever even if i am angry or businessstuff like in this case cause this can hurt everyone not only one person and for myself you hurt my privacy which is very important to me.
A few things i wanna ADD. i kept talking to Genna about a statement about Axiom not attending she did saturday, sunday, monday, tuesday and i think she posted it wednesday? She never responded just saturday once she is in a broadcast or so and will come back to me later. i reminded her 5 times or more on different days and she even talked to other people that she got my messages but never wanted to answer me - and in the end she said cause of the timezones we missed each other!??! I dont know but this is pretty lame. I really hate it that i have to do a statement like this and its also kinda emotional cause all this means alot to me i have one aim doing a good job make alot of people happy and enjoy what i do but no its me getting shit because i tried to calm down for the whole situation and dont bring up any bad words about anyone cause everyone does mistakes from time to time and she publishes every single word we discussed in private about this thing - Is this what we call professional? At least i dont see that.
I will still not publish stuff she said cause even if i am angry i will just describe a little bit...
In the whole season she almost never replied to emails once she didnt answer 11 days or so? on 10 mails...as you probably realized we even had to do replaycasts cause axiom didnt play thier matches - Genna (when she answered) mentioned they have stuff to do but with the day we talked to Crank instead of her it worked perfectly fine and even the players thought they have to wait and dont have to play games even when we were pushing it alot and reminded her etc..
Its really frustrating to me tbh cause what i wanted from the start was just a statement from both sites that the situation was fucked up abit and both sites did some mistakes and no one would ever be angry so why Genna didn you try to get something solved together and now act like this? I even told you before saturday that if you do a statement please lets do it together and find the best possible way for everyone.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING!!!
But lets come back to why this all started - Axiom expected us to pay 100% of the trip which we never said/Promised or even mentioned we with a single word. We cant promise stuff like this if we dont have the ressources for it. So we didnt.
We sent an email which said we have 20k pricemoney and an offline finale and they agreed to play it via mail.
After they played the last playday they realize we dont pay the whole trip cause we give them a reminder that we offer 1500 and hotels and then this happens? This is very sad honestly.
How would you ever expect we can pay 4 teams fulltrips from korea and wouldnt even mention it to the teams? I think the only organizazion who can provide it is Blizzard at the moment?
One thing which was just meant as a help for the teams was the support we give and i know that the costs are very high for all teams thats why i wanted to have this support and kept talking to sponsors about it and for Season 2 we even want to raise it that was sure from the beginning but we never knew if the league will work out it was a nice try.
But well our mistake was to not communicate it. We wanted and thought the mail was sent to everyone at Cebit in March but it wasn t. I am sorry about that to all teams!
But still i think if i dont communicate any help you won t expect any support at all cause you dont go to a Dreamhack or HomeStorycup and expect we pay all trips and not even tell you.
I really love what i do and i do it every day 7 days 80hours+ a week almost all over the year and only take very small breaks from esport to get some privat time and vacation etc. Cause i love esport and i appreciate it soo much that i can have a job in this business but honestly this really hurts me my motivation my heart and i am honestly sad really sad that this has to happen.
Right now i have almost all emotions in me but also i am angry about what Genna does and how she handled it.now i also wrote what i think she did wrong but if i wouldnt do it i could not live with what she did and on the same moment feel okay.
@Genna - If you finally wanna talk for the first time about the statement and how everything went seriously i am still up for it even if so much shit flew around.
Since she posted so much she also posted that i pay costs for Liquid from my own privat wallet cause the situation was not perfect and i wanted to find a solution and LIQUID kept talking to me and really wanted to find a solution.
One more thing i even offered Genna that i would think about also helping them also from my own money to bring them here - She never reacted on that and tried to find a conversation about this and in the very end after she almost never replied i said okay well we cant pay it cause i already felt bad that i offer solutions and try to find options but the other site seems like they not even care.
I want to appologize to the whole community for what i did wrong and the whole situation i honestly think no one is perfect expecially me and everyone does some mistakes but this makes me look so bad cause someone probably even wanted this happen...and didnt even try to fix stuff together.
This was MY honest statement which could even have more stuff in it - Its what I think and no one else.
I ve seen comments about NOW i won t watch TaKeTV anymore which really hurted me alot tbh but i think i explained my situation and what happend if people still say okay TaKe is an Idiot i respect it and i lost viewers cause this is what i think and did cause its me.
Thank you for reading my horrible text!
//Dennis
After reading this, I'm just wondering what the whole shitstorm was about. I mean, if Genna really didn't answer mails etc. And it seems like Take really tried his best to find teh best solution, but felt like the Axiom didn't really care. After putting in that much effort to get things right for both parties he sees this blogpost from Genna which puts him in a bad spotlight, including the private messages I totally get him being mad.
I appreciate what Genna did for the community/esports, and still do. But I believe this is jsut really unfortionate. And I totally get Take for being mad for seeing his private messages being posted. And then getting shat on because one sentense was completely blown out of proportion (the sueing) and his emotional reaction was ALSO posted publicly.
So what started as just a small messup with the organization of a tournament, with Take doing everything in his power to fix it, and help the people out. Genna's approach of transparancy seems to have blown this all out of proportion, hurt multiple organisations, and made this whole discussion less rational than it's ever been.
That's just my take on it.
pce
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The shitstorm is genna fucked up and instead of owning up to it and being professional / responsible / mature she started throwing her toys out the pram and her faeces at people so they would take the blame.
EDIT: I mean im not trying to be rude but im extracting all of this information from Genna's own posts and information she provided within them. Why couldnt she do the same i wonder?
Although i will say that Take and co didnt explicitly state either way that they would or wouldnt pay for the teams travel, its still not on them if a team assumes either way. The thought process would basically be "Oh they didnt say if they would be paying or not. So they must be!"
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On August 16 2013 20:45 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 20:29 TaKeSeN wrote:
We sent an email which said we have 20k pricemoney and an offline finale and they agreed to play it via mail.
After they played the last playday they realize we dont pay the whole trip cause we give them a reminder that we offer 1500 and hotels and then this happens? This is very sad honestly.
//Dennis This is where it all stemmed from, i keep saying it and everyone else is jumping up and down about bullshit that doesnt matter. Genna assumed this, never looked into it or had any information regarding it and everything went to shit because of it. She realised she fucked up and started trying to strawman / put blame where it wasnt (at people and other information) then all of a sudden has a breakdown and leaves the team when it doesnt work. Its sad honestly, both that she fucked up and she has other personal / business issues not regarding the team, but its no excuse to 1) fuck up and especially 2) start throwing around private emails / walls of text that dont even matter and shitflinging at people. This could have been solved with one line. "I didnt realise my team would have to pay for travel and accommodation to an offline finals" Followed by "It is my fault, i assumed the costs would be paid with no information stating or remotely hinting at this and i neglected to read the email properly that informed us of an offline finals" Ending with! "Im sorry." Instead of lying about not being told about an offline finals (in the same post she posted a private email saying there WAS an offline finals) and untold other crap. Again. Ass UMe
I totally agree, good communication eliminates the assuming.
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what a great response from Take, still simply pursuing repair and recovery, even dismissing the breach of trust, i imagined he would just let Axion sort their problems out, but coming out still trying to reconcile takes a lot.
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On August 16 2013 20:18 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 13:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 16 2013 12:58 Joedaddy wrote:
Pretty shitty move when you make what one presumed to be a private conversation public. Even if you didn't think it was a big deal, Dennis obviously did. Fuck Dennis. If he wasn't so concerned about saving face rather than being honest with everybody about his mismanaged tournament then some of this might not have happened. When you say "I hope there are legal consequences for what you've done" all bets are off, I lose any respect I've had for you. I hope Take enjoyed the free casting and the numbers, I'll never deal with him and his organisation ever again. There were many small things in the past that made me feel that Take's company is kind of unprofessional, but I never had any proof. Now, threatening to sue someone in a scene as small as SC2 - what the fuck. I don't feel like supporting his company via watching anymore after reading this. There seems to be some serious bullshiting going on behind the scenes, and I will keep my views down to the professional streams then. Before reading this post, I felt like "Hm, I kinda don't like what take is doing, but hey, it's still a good portion of scene support and stuff". Well, Take lost at least one viewer permanently now, which is me.
Now, after reading Takes statement, I feel a bit different. Guess I shouldn't judge before reading both sides (I just leave the TB rage apart). It feels like a mixture of unprofessional behaviour, misscommunication and maybe even some language difficulties - Take speaks a very "german" english  .
Oh hell, I don't know how to judge anything here, I just hope that you guys find a solution to this and can be friends again.
It's pretty hard to see who did what wrong, still - the biggest mistake in my eyes that was made was Genna pulling the trigger and quitting - because that way, the silent fart rose to a huge pile of crap, that is threatining to smother Take and TB as well.
I would suppose that you find a in-between person to calm things down (like Victor from TL maybe, or one of the EG management (those guys have a strong reputation of being professional!) and give it a real-time skypecall or so?
We had now both sides stated in this thread, and it kind of feels like it should be closed now. 99.5% percent of the readers in here, me included, have no full knowledge of the things going on behind the curtain, and fights like Take vs. Genna should be discussed privately, not publicly, as it is now.
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It takes a man to offer a hand to reconsile after all these ''fuck Take''-posts from TB etc
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I'm SURE she'll have no input into team affairs when her husband is the manager...lol, this seems like a political move, or that she's stepping down for show, more than anything else. As far as the ATC guy being secretive...it makes me think he's doing shady shit, otherwise he wouldn't be so paranoid.
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I would suppose that you find a in-between person to calm things down (like Victor from TL maybe, or one of the EG management (those guys have a strong reputation of being professional!) and give it a real-time skypecall or so?
We had now both sides stated in this thread, and it kind of feels like it should be closed now. 99.5% percent of the readers in here, me included, have no full knowledge of the things going on behind the curtain, and fights like Take vs. Genna should be discussed privately, not publicly, as it is now.
Totally agree on that!
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