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Musicus
Germany23579 Posts
On August 16 2013 21:16 partydude89 wrote: do both parties really have to create this big internet thing that causes a lot of fighting/picking sides within the community? can't they just work this out via private messages? That's what Take was trying to do and all he wished for. | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
On August 16 2013 21:20 unkkz wrote: Lol this is hilarious. Genna's first blog post goes way too indepth to explain everything, it could have been summarized in 1/3 of the text. She fucked up not checking the financial aspect. TakeTV fucked up not providing that information. In the end everyone fucked up and i honestly don't see what the point of her first blog post even was. Then this gets blown way out of proportion like a bunch of six year olds. Genna quit's over some silly drama(maybe just looking for an exscuse to get out anyway) Take overreacts to some silly skype logs and then TB goes of the rails as usual and starts throwing insults around. This is hurting e-sports etc but really, this is just a bunch of people being very unprofessional and messing up in a lot of aspects. I agree with this POV, it's pretty mindboggling that this is essentially a simple misunderstanding and it has blown up to this. | ||
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NervO
Netherlands511 Posts
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YersiniaPestis
Germany43 Posts
TotalBiscuit - Subscribed ---> Not. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
Is it a Baby break? If yes gratz! Just plz dont let the kid get TB Hair  ps: holy crap take postet a statement. | ||
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Xerses
Germany9 Posts
Dont understand why they are pushing this soo hard. No Reason. Looks like Genna wants a shitstorm. Soo sad  | ||
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TigerKarl
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Grettin
42411 Posts
This is the best fucking response i've seen in this thread for a while. Exactly my thoughts and thanks for saying it. On August 16 2013 21:20 unkkz wrote: Lol this is hilarious. Genna's first blog post goes way too indepth to explain everything, it could have been summarized in 1/3 of the text. She fucked up not checking the financial aspect. TakeTV fucked up not providing that information. In the end everyone fucked up and i honestly don't see what the point of her first blog post even was. Then this gets blown way out of proportion like a bunch of six year olds. Genna quit's over some silly drama(maybe just looking for an exscuse to get out anyway) Take overreacts to some silly skype logs and then TB goes of the rails as usual and starts throwing insults around. This is hurting e-sports etc but really, this is just a bunch of people being very unprofessional and messing up in a lot of aspects. | ||
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Nimelrian
Germany142 Posts
On August 16 2013 21:33 Grettin wrote: Every German in this thread backing up their e-sports hero. How i'm not surprised. As a German, I sign that and feel ashamed for my fellows... | ||
Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On August 16 2013 21:03 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: .... This is like the third time you pull this exact same publicity stunt and get mad at the shitstorm community while you are the shitty wizard summoning all the shitstorm tornados got fucking dammit Why am i laughing so hard haha, even the bolded part | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
On August 16 2013 21:24 NerdFace wrote: Whatever happens I'd say both parties made mistakes. But I feel like Axiom is kinda making a drama, and TakeTV did nothing wrong tbh. I wouldn't like it either when my private convo's get put online etc. So both sides made mistakes ... but one side did nothing wrong? | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On August 16 2013 17:33 Gr33d wrote: So the management of a SC2 team is no hobby for a bored wife that plays with the money of her man, especially if you can't handle the stress. Surprise. Now prepare (if it has not already happened) for drama from TB for more reddit and YT views. Every time when I think that I read the wrongest post possible, another one is right there which is even worse. As Axiom team owner, Genna did more for Starcraft in a day that you will do in your life. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Khai
Australia553 Posts
On August 16 2013 17:40 Roqshu wrote: Act like a douche? He even offered Genna to ask Acer if they could help in this situation. There is only one douche in this matter, and that's the person who writes "fuck you, take" in his twitter. Firstly, if you organise an event as big as this and invite a team from another country how can you not take into account travel costs for them? That's bad management, from what I understood team MVP had to raise some funds to attend, they're first and have a good chance so they decided to take the risk. 4th place gives $2000 which might not even cover travel. If that was the case he shouldn't have allowed Korean teams to compete. Secondly, ok he offered to pay for travel? In the end was it enough? No, Axiom had to pull out. MVP tried to raise funds and takes a risk. Refer to first point, lack of foresight, TaKe has to take responsibility. Thirdly, he threatened to sue because someone revealed what he said? Why is it that it has to be a secret? Protecting sponsors is fine but rather than trying to fix stuff he goes aggressive, hardly kind. You can't blame me for losing my respect for that guy as an organiser, I knew of a TaKe with plenty of credibility hosting events but this is one too many scandal and I refer to Axiom (a small privately owned team) having to pull out this way + threat of legal action is just douchey in my books. | ||
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Gianttt
Netherlands194 Posts
In this case doing her atmost best is communicating with you about a good solution. Like I said at her post "Winners gain from pain", and "Losers quit". She should have just continued, not left her team (which was the most terrible decision she could made) and the most important thing: show something to the community. I think the biggest mistake she made was just leaving her team, which is "very bad" for the community itself. I hope she will apologize to her team and to the community, and will make a solution together with you which will benefit both you, axiom, taketv and the community. Those are my words, based on the information sources that you both shared with the community, and based on trust from the words spoken. It is my opinion based on that, and this information might not be 100% true, if one of you told a different story from the trueth. | ||
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v_lm
France202 Posts
"GLHF" the title is. Seemed more like a Ragequit to me. (Worst part is Take complaining about private conversation disclosures in a private conversation and Genna publishing this very conversation as a retirement gift) | ||
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TaKeSeN
Germany196 Posts
MVP knew for a very long time and even then signed up. They knew they have to pay the trips by themselfs mostly but even them i paid more hotelrooms cause they had to pay the trips and asked to work together on it and find solutions. They had this plan i guess since a long plan to get money with the thing they did. //Dennis | ||
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MuMeise
Germany81 Posts
On August 16 2013 21:33 Grettin wrote: Every German in this thread backing up their e-sports hero. How i'm not surprised. This is the best fucking response i've seen in this thread for a while. Exactly my thoughts and thanks for saying it. Honestly... not every german. I am american livin in germany and working for a german software company as a manager. To be completely clear on this: I am in no way backing up take for what he said... It's just a miserable childish practise to release private chats. This is what destroys this community. You can't even trust a business partner. For me it means: My company can't invest in SC2 as a sponsor because you never know what is released to the public with guys like TB and Genna. And I don't care if she did much for esports... This is about trust. And if trust is lost... you loose everything. It's a shame really to see a soap opera like this happen. Fact is: It most of the time happens as soon as TB is involved. It seems he likes the drama. Also the way he is critizising blizzard as a company for the way they managed WCS. It doesn't matter if he is correct or not. It matters how he approaches the problems. And he and also Genna are continously doing it in an unprofessional way: meaning going public. | ||
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kingy19s
United Kingdom3 Posts
As usual the truth lies somewhere between yours and mine. It looks like, to me, at least, mistakes have been made by all parties involved. And we will never know all the details, nor should we expect to. It would be awesome if Genna/TB and Dennis could put these petty differences and emotional vitriol aside and get together and talked this through, like the adults and pillars of this scene they profess to be. Maybe as others have suggested with a moderator. (Looking at you for this, Nazgul) I love you Genna, but you shouldn't have posted those emails and skype logs. Dennis, you produce great content, but threatening legal action like that is not going to get you anywhere. At the end of the day I'll continue to support my favorite team, Axiom, and watch the great tournaments hosted by TakeTV. | ||
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