GLHF - Page 22

On August 16 2013 18:23 SamuelGreen wrote:
Here are all the comments from TB so far, which should clarify some for people that dont seem to know a lot about the situation. I really think its worth reading before you throw shit at him:

On August 16 2013 18:39 mikkmagro wrote:
Firstly, to clear up some of the thoughts flying about TaKe's 'threat' to sue. Firstly, the basis of private law, be it Germany, the US or Antarctica, is that if you can prove that someone did something to hurt your interests, you have a case. However, in this case, it is obvious that TaKe was simply furious because a) Axiom cancelled, and b) despite his decent attempt at damage control, it spiraled into a shit storm which might very well tarnish his image with Acer, but even so, the notion of him taking legal action is absolutely silly. It is obvious that he simply said it in a moment of rage - something he should not have done, as understandable as it is to be uber pissed off at this stage after so much work and effort.

TB's 'attack dog' approach is childish and misguided. Calling TaKe dishonest, incompetent and trying to save face is not only extremely rude and out of line, it is also hypocritical, because the reason why Genna posted the chat logs in the first place was for her to save face. Yes, TaKe's staff should have sent that email, but the 1,500$ per team was PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE by March - the fact that you didn't know about it, and didn't bother clarifying, is more of a mistake on your part. It is not your job to read TL threads, but it is your job as team manager to know this information, and if you don't know it, make sure to ask about it. The assumption that in the absence of an email stating otherwise, that TaKe would enter into thousands of euros of expenses to fly your team from Korea to Germany and back, whilst paying for the team's food and hotels and transportation, is negligent. But it's ok, everyone makes mistakes. A few people from the community were annoyed and disappointed by it, but I do believe there was an overreaction on Axiom's side at this point. There were no crucifixions and angry mobs, just some people stating their disappointment - that's not hate. People who are in the limelight should make sure that they have somewhat of a thick skin, otherwise, yes, you will be facing a shitload of stress and pressure.

It's a pity you didn't think of solving this privately before going to war with TaKe. I hope both parties can man up and issue a public apology.

Genna leaving Axiom is a huge hit to the team, I hope what this really means is that she no longer will be at the forefront, she'll just manage from the background. She's an amazing person with admirable passion, and I wish her all the luck in whatever she's doing.

And Please TB, stop treating people in here like idiots. I'm sure that managing an eSports team is stressful, but you're not the only people in the world facing stress, depression and insurmountable odds at the workplace. Not everyone here is a prepubescent kid with no responsibilities in life and whose career highlight is stacking products at a supermarket. eSports is not the only business where despite all your efforts, you get the rage of thousands of people barreling towards you, or the disdain of an ungrateful boss who gets rich off the sweat of your back. You should be thankful that most threats in the eSports industry, legal or otherwise, are, in the 99.9999999% of the cases, just empty talk. I'm sure there are people here who work in more sensitive, and volatile industries, so stop insulting people in here, and treating them as though no one here knows what living in a (non-literal) hell means. It's insulting.

On August 16 2013 18:36 spectres wrote:
shit TB pull it together you're an eff'in geordie not some fairy from Kent

On August 16 2013 18:39 mikkmagro wrote:
It's a pity you didn't think of solving this privately before going to war with TaKe. I hope both parties can man up and issue a public apology.

Would take a thousands of words to explain the story but anyways, why do you quoto a private conversation again when you retire ? You want to "hurt" him ? make him feel bad ? Who are you to do that, seriously. As he said it's simply not allowed.

On August 16 2013 18:39 mikkmagro wrote:
Firstly, to clear up some of the thoughts flying about TaKe's 'threat' to sue. Firstly, the basis of private law, be it Germany, the US or Antarctica, is that if you can prove that someone did something to hurt your interests, you have a case. However, in this case, it is obvious that TaKe was simply furious because a) Axiom cancelled, and b) despite his decent attempt at damage control, it spiraled into a shit storm which might very well tarnish his image with Acer, but even so, the notion of him taking legal action is absolutely silly. It is obvious that he simply said it in a moment of rage - something he should not have done, as understandable as it is to be uber pissed off at this stage after so much work and effort.

TB's 'attack dog' approach is childish and misguided. Calling TaKe dishonest, incompetent and trying to save face is not only extremely rude and out of line, it is also hypocritical, because the reason why Genna posted the chat logs in the first place was for her to save face. Yes, TaKe's staff should have sent that email, but the 1,500$ per team was PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE by March - the fact that you didn't know about it, and didn't bother clarifying, is more of a mistake on your part. It is not your job to read TL threads, but it is your job as team manager to know this information, and if you don't know it, make sure to ask about it. The assumption that in the absence of an email stating otherwise, that TaKe would enter into thousands of euros of expenses to fly your team from Korea to Germany and back, whilst paying for the team's food and hotels and transportation, is negligent. But it's ok, everyone makes mistakes. A few people from the community were annoyed and disappointed by it, but I do believe there was an overreaction on Axiom's side at this point. There were no crucifixions and angry mobs, just some people stating their disappointment - that's not hate. People who are in the limelight should make sure that they have somewhat of a thick skin, otherwise, yes, you will be facing a shitload of stress and pressure.

It's a pity you didn't think of solving this privately before going to war with TaKe. I hope both parties can man up and issue a public apology.

Genna leaving Axiom is a huge hit to the team, I hope what this really means is that she no longer will be at the forefront, she'll just manage from the background. She's an amazing person with admirable passion, and I wish her all the luck in whatever she's doing.

And Please TB, stop treating people in here like idiots. I'm sure that managing an eSports team is stressful, but you're not the only people in the world facing stress, depression and insurmountable odds at the workplace. Not everyone here is a prepubescent kid with no responsibilities in life and whose career highlight is stacking products at a supermarket. eSports is not the only business where despite all your efforts, you get the rage of thousands of people barreling towards you, or the disdain of an ungrateful boss who gets rich off the sweat of your back. You should be thankful that most threats in the eSports industry, legal or otherwise, are, in the 99.9999999% of the cases, just empty talk. I'm sure there are people here who work in more sensitive, and volatile industries, so stop insulting people in here, and treating them as though no one here knows what living in a (non-literal) hell means. It's insulting.

On August 16 2013 18:39 mikkmagro wrote:
Firstly, to clear up some of the thoughts flying about TaKe's 'threat' to sue. Firstly, the basis of private law, be it Germany, the US or Antarctica, is that if you can prove that someone did something to hurt your interests, you have a case. However, in this case, it is obvious that TaKe was simply furious because a) Axiom cancelled, and b) despite his decent attempt at damage control, it spiraled into a shit storm which might very well tarnish his image with Acer, but even so, the notion of him taking legal action is absolutely silly. It is obvious that he simply said it in a moment of rage - something he should not have done, as understandable as it is to be uber pissed off at this stage after so much work and effort.

TB's 'attack dog' approach is childish and misguided. Calling TaKe dishonest, incompetent and trying to save face is not only extremely rude and out of line, it is also hypocritical, because the reason why Genna posted the chat logs in the first place was for her to save face. Yes, TaKe's staff should have sent that email, but the 1,500$ per team was PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE by March - the fact that you didn't know about it, and didn't bother clarifying, is more of a mistake on your part. It is not your job to read TL threads, but it is your job as team manager to know this information, and if you don't know it, make sure to ask about it. The assumption that in the absence of an email stating otherwise, that TaKe would enter into thousands of euros of expenses to fly your team from Korea to Germany and back, whilst paying for the team's food and hotels and transportation, is negligent. But it's ok, everyone makes mistakes. A few people from the community were annoyed and disappointed by it, but I do believe there was an overreaction on Axiom's side at this point. There were no crucifixions and angry mobs, just some people stating their disappointment - that's not hate. People who are in the limelight should make sure that they have somewhat of a thick skin, otherwise, yes, you will be facing a shitload of stress and pressure.

It's a pity you didn't think of solving this privately before going to war with TaKe. I hope both parties can man up and issue a public apology.

Genna leaving Axiom is a huge hit to the team, I hope what this really means is that she no longer will be at the forefront, she'll just manage from the background. She's an amazing person with admirable passion, and I wish her all the luck in whatever she's doing.

And Please TB, stop treating people in here like idiots. I'm sure that managing an eSports team is stressful, but you're not the only people in the world facing stress, depression and insurmountable odds at the workplace. Not everyone here is a prepubescent kid with no responsibilities in life and whose career highlight is stacking products at a supermarket. eSports is not the only business where despite all your efforts, you get the rage of thousands of people barreling towards you, or the disdain of an ungrateful boss who gets rich off the sweat of your back. You should be thankful that most threats in the eSports industry, legal or otherwise, are, in the 99.9999999% of the cases, just empty talk. I'm sure there are people here who work in more sensitive, and volatile industries, so stop insulting people in here, and treating them as though no one here knows what living in a (non-literal) hell means. It's insulting.

On August 16 2013 19:15 XinSC wrote:


I can see why Take would not want the second log to go public but why the harsh reaction about the first one? It did show him and Acer acting in the best way possible, trying to help fix a problem they had not caused. Secrecy for secrecy's sake?

On August 16 2013 19:18 arie3000 wrote:


Yes. As I said above, it's a German thing, and it comes across as hugely unprofessional. I'm not the one who's getting mad easily (on the contrary), but I'd also be fucking pissed off about this...

On August 16 2013 18:56 Dayshi wrote:
why do you quoto a private conversation again when you retire ? You want to "hurt" him ? make him feel bad ? Who are you to do that, seriously. As he said it's simply not allowed.