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On October 23 2012 09:35 Caihead wrote:
ESF really needs to just put every single player on contract, having no legal consequences to these actions is so ridiculous.
SlayerS wasn't part of ESF and that's what kick-started off all this drama, glad you're not in charge lol.
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Seems like the whole situation is turning into he said she said, im right your wrong. Everyone seems to be at some sort of fault, and everyone shall suffer, granted the players will probably suffer more then anything which sucks :/
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On October 23 2012 09:34 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:33 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. if in effect, Crank did leave SlayerS to join a foreign team (that's what happened, effectively), then you can't really blame Jessica for feeling lied to. I don't understand this though, you can't just join another team then claim you left the team already. He had no contract with Slayers.
Whether you have a contract or not shouldn't matter. Morally it's pretty damning, whether he can be held accountable due to contract or not.
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On October 23 2012 09:34 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. Because at the time crank was the co captain?
... fine, you'd leave handling your star player to your 'co captain'? There's no excuse for Jessica and Boxer having neglected the players.
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On October 23 2012 09:34 tMomiji wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:33 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. if in effect, Crank did leave SlayerS to join a foreign team (that's what happened, effectively), then you can't really blame Jessica for feeling lied to. I don't understand this though, you can't just join another team then claim you left the team already. He had no contract with Slayers.
So Slayers had to operate on trusting the players not to jump ship whenever, yet the players didn't trust Slayers and they were wrong to not trust Slayers instead of trusting Mr. J. Sounds like bull shit to me. ESF should put every player on contract from now on to prevent crap like this.
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On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. Yeah, the pone call is just here to divert from MMA's interview.
People say "you see ? Her threats were'nt empty ! She released the phone call !" So even if the phone call doesn't contain anything, it's the "proof" the masses wanted, even if it proves nothing.
It seems that Crank was the manager de facto of Slayers. Things were falling apart, then Crank became the "manager", then he could be blamed for everything that happened before. Basically it's like a fraudulent company that is going to get sued and that hire a new CEO just before the shitstorm as a scapegoat.
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where is that phonecall translated?
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On October 23 2012 09:36 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:34 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:33 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:
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He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. if in effect, Crank did leave SlayerS to join a foreign team (that's what happened, effectively), then you can't really blame Jessica for feeling lied to. I don't understand this though, you can't just join another team then claim you left the team already. He had no contract with Slayers. Whether you have a contract or not shouldn't matter. Morally it's pretty damning, whether he can be held accountable due to contract or not.
So damning to do this to the players that have been promoting YOUR team, correct?
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On October 23 2012 09:36 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:34 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:33 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:
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He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. if in effect, Crank did leave SlayerS to join a foreign team (that's what happened, effectively), then you can't really blame Jessica for feeling lied to. I don't understand this though, you can't just join another team then claim you left the team already. He had no contract with Slayers. So Slayers had to operate on trusting the players not to jump ship whenever, yet the players didn't trust Slayers and they were wrong to not trust Slayers instead of trusting Mr. J. Sounds like bull shit to me. ESF should put every player on contract from no on to prevent crap like this.
SlayerS were never a part of ESF.
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I don't understand how some people can be so invested in all this. Enjoying it even.
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On October 23 2012 09:35 Caihead wrote:
ESF really needs to just put every single player on contract, having no legal consequences to these actions is so ridiculous.
Not being paid is pretty ridiculous too. If you have people under contract, they have to get some compensation.
On October 23 2012 09:34 storywriter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. if in effect, Crank did leave SlayerS to join a foreign team (that's what happened, effectively), then you can't really blame Jessica for feeling lied to. Even if he had lied, Jessica has no right to be ruining Crank's image like this. He did not have a contract and was not legally bound to not join another team. IMO, Crank could have just packed up and left without a single reason and Jessica should have left him alone.
One does not simply cross Jessica and expect no repercussions.
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On October 23 2012 09:35 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:35 Caihead wrote:
ESF really needs to just put every single player on contract, having no legal consequences to these actions is so ridiculous. wtf, weren't they on a contract already which Jessica had created?
only a handful of players were on contract i believe. Crank wasn't one of them.
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If MMA and Crank didn't have the courage to confront Jessica about the rumors... then to me, that speaks badly of Jessica as a leader and a manager. To be a good manager, you need to foster an atmosphere of trust and candor; even if sometimes you cannot be 100% transparent with what you're doing, players should never feel afraid to talk to you about something, especially if it's business-related. I get the impression that Jessica was a pretty terrible manager, and living in those conditions, it's not surprising to see this blow up into one big drama.
~Slayers T_T
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On October 23 2012 09:36 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:34 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:33 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:
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He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. if in effect, Crank did leave SlayerS to join a foreign team (that's what happened, effectively), then you can't really blame Jessica for feeling lied to. I don't understand this though, you can't just join another team then claim you left the team already. He had no contract with Slayers. Whether you have a contract or not shouldn't matter. Morally it's pretty damning, whether he can be held accountable due to contract or not.
Morally, perhaps, but then again everyone has different morals. I think he handled it poorly but shouldn't be treated so hatefully. He wanted out of that horrible environment and was obviously distressed from trying so hard to improve things to no avail.
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On October 23 2012 09:38 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:35 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:35 Caihead wrote:
ESF really needs to just put every single player on contract, having no legal consequences to these actions is so ridiculous. wtf, weren't they on a contract already which Jessica had created? only a handful of players were on contract i believe. Crank wasn't one of them.
Got it!
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On October 23 2012 09:38 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:35 Integra wrote:On October 23 2012 09:35 Caihead wrote:
ESF really needs to just put every single player on contract, having no legal consequences to these actions is so ridiculous. wtf, weren't they on a contract already which Jessica had created? only a handful of players were on contract i believe. Crank wasn't one of them.
I'm just curious, and this may be an aside, but are B-teamers on KeSPA contracted?
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On October 23 2012 09:37 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. Yeah, the pone call is just here to divert from MMA's interview. People say "you see ? Her threats were'nt empty ! She released the phone call !" So even if the phone call doesn't contain anything, it's the "proof" the masses wanted, even if it proves nothing. It seems that Crank was the manager de facto of Slayers. Things were falling apart, then Crank became the "manager", then he could be blamed for everything that happened before. Basically it's like fraudulent company that are going to get sued and that hire a new CEO just before the shitstorm as a scapegoat.
If the employees form a niche group and do not respond to the requests or inquiry of the employer, how are they hiring him as a scapegoat?
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On October 23 2012 09:35 Proflo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:34 Kazeyonoma wrote:On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. Because at the time crank was the co captain? Yo if people keep bringing logic into this thread it's going to start to stifle the "drama feel"... If you could keep anything borderline sensical to pm's please.
Sorry my mistake. Burn players burn. Empress jessica shall have ur undeserving heads buahaha
On the real though. Everytime a player comes out with a statement jessica releases more info in the form of hard evidence and said player gets fucked. Look at esf. Then alicia.. now apparently crank....
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On October 23 2012 09:36 storywriter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:34 Kazeyonoma wrote:On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:22 KgKris wrote:
Does anyone know what the Crank audio said and the Korean community's reactions to it? He is fucked. How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. Because at the time crank was the co captain? ... fine, you'd leave handling your star player to your 'co captain'? There's no excuse for Jessica and Boxer having neglected the players.
You think the manager of Startale is going to be walking around each day and help the players? Actually what about FXO, Choya is handling the affairs there, not some manager. Actually FXOBoSS was even pissed at Choya for being part of the eSF ban.
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On October 23 2012 09:37 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 09:36 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:34 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:33 Caihead wrote:On October 23 2012 09:32 Waxangel wrote:On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:On October 23 2012 09:27 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:25 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 09:24 ThePurist wrote:On October 23 2012 09:23 tMomiji wrote:
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How do you know? Cuz I read it. And this kid is just straight up self-centered, irresponsible, possibly lying to the end, and disrespectful. GEE GEE.......... Wait, you can read Korean? ...So you can translate this?! Please?!? I was going to attempt for the sake of peeps here. But I am retarded and I realize how much work the translators do here...ㅅㄳㄱ. Trust them with big stuff like this. I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here. if in effect, Crank did leave SlayerS to join a foreign team (that's what happened, effectively), then you can't really blame Jessica for feeling lied to. I don't understand this though, you can't just join another team then claim you left the team already. He had no contract with Slayers. So Slayers had to operate on trusting the players not to jump ship whenever, yet the players didn't trust Slayers and they were wrong to not trust Slayers instead of trusting Mr. J. Sounds like bull shit to me. ESF should put every player on contract from no on to prevent crap like this. SlayerS were never a part of ESF.
I know, I'm saying that from now on.
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