Crank and MMA's accounts regarding SlayerS - Page 37

On October 23 2012 09:36 Shival wrote:


Whether you have a contract or not shouldn't matter. Morally it's pretty damning, whether he can be held accountable due to contract or not.

On October 23 2012 09:31 storywriter wrote:

I read the phone call too and I don't get why Crank is getting all the hate. Jessica seems to think that Crank lied about not joining a foreign team but Crank makes it clear that he was leaving the team because it was going way downhill (he didn't even have a contract). Boxer doesn't seem to share Jessica's view either (he never explicitly says that Crank lied and says something like "you're going to have to deal with all the crap we give you only because you were the first to leave the team"). Also Boxer's comment about Crank being at fault because he didn't handle MMA - seriously? Why the fuck would you leave handling your star player to another player? WTF are managers for? I would say Crank is the scapegoat here.

On October 23 2012 09:38 Zato-1 wrote:
If MMA and Crank didn't have the courage to confront Jessica about the rumors... then to me, that speaks badly of Jessica as a leader and a manager. To be a good manager, you need to foster an atmosphere of trust and candor; even if sometimes you cannot be 100% transparent with what you're doing, players should never feel afraid to talk to you about something, especially if it's business-related. I get the impression that Jessica was a pretty terrible manager, and living in those conditions, it's not surprising to see this blow up into one big drama.

~Slayers T_T

On October 23 2012 09:39 Kazeyonoma wrote:


Sorry my mistake. Burn players burn. Empress jessica shall have ur undeserving heads buahaha

On the real though. Everytime a player comes out with a statement jessica releases more info in the form of hard evidence and said player gets fucked. Look at esf. Then alicia.. now apparently crank....

On October 23 2012 09:38 tMomiji wrote:


Morally, perhaps, but then again everyone has different morals. I think he handled it poorly but shouldn't be treated so hatefully. He wanted out of that horrible environment and was obviously distressed from trying so hard to improve things to no avail.

On October 23 2012 09:40 tMomiji wrote:


This is the point I have been trying to make!!!!

On October 23 2012 09:40 tMomiji wrote:


This is the point I have been trying to make!!!!

On October 23 2012 09:39 Shival wrote:


You think the manager of Startale is going to be walking around each day and help the players? Actually what about FXO, Choya is handling the affairs there, not some manager. Actually FXOBoSS was even pissed at Choya for being part of the eSF ban.

On October 23 2012 09:42 Shival wrote:


I don't know any culture where lying is morally accepted... Do you?

On October 23 2012 09:40 storywriter wrote:

I would say Jessica and Boxer had a moral obligation to keep the team together and that justifies Crank's actions. Unfortunately, I know 99% of Koreans will not share my view and that Crank will get lynched if he says this.

Loose translation:

Crank(C from now): Can we talk?

Jessica(J from now): Yes

C: I got calls yesterday and today, so I checked Nateon (korean site), and I'm still frustrated at the way you think. Do you really think I left so I can go to foreign team?

J: You wrote it (seems like shes talking about twitter). You said you left because you wanted to rest; yes or no.

C: Noona, look at the convo again. You told me to do whatever I want. I'm 24 and it's not the age to be getting allowance from home to live. It's also not like I'm going to get a lot from foreign team.

J: That wasn't the problem with me, was it?

C: I didn't leave so I can go to foreign team. I had no money since I left so it's why I started looking for foreign team.

J: Lets look at the convo. You said you had no interest in foreign team.

C: That was then.

J: That's why I let you go home when you said you wanted to leave team.

C: (Speaking loudly)Why do you keep bringing up the past?

J: Why are you yelling?

C: Why are you acting like that? You like people being disabled? You want to stop playing and do something else?

J: You did lie to me. To leave, you lied. You say two different things (this is a korean saying hard to translate).

C: What two different things did I say?

J: Crank, you only say stuff that you want.

C: If you're an adult, who do you make a person a disabled (this is a curse word in korean similar to "retard")?

J: You dug your own grave.

C: Then can I do interviews?

J: Do it, I don't care.

C: I still want to resolve this and that's why I called you.

J: Then you shouldn't be talking like that. You're trying to make yourself look good.

C: You too.

J: I'm about to say everything now.

C: Then I guess I'm going to look like the bad guy.

J: I'm only going to say the truth.

C: You're only going to say what you want.

J: I'm not going to lie and only say the truth.

C: That's how I feel. Tell me what did I lie about.

J: You always told me it's not about leaving the team, but it's about leaving the team for money. I always wanted to trust you, but the way you broadcast your message, the way you tried going to foreign teams by chatting, and at least you shouldn't act that way when I cared for you. I treated the cervical disc for you; not me.

C: Why do you speak so confidently when you're the one that made the talk about cervical disc?

J: When did I say it was cervical disc (CD)?

C: You're twisting words like this again? I never said it was CD. I just said my neck hurts, so I was going home. Why exaggerate?

J: I just thought it was because of the way you said it. You keep talking like it's the past, but this has only been 1-2 months ago.

C: I never said it was CD.

J: That's what I heard.

C: You said to say I'm resting because of CD; never said to say that to reporters.

J: I said "I'm going to tell people exactly like this", and you said "Ok".

C: I'm looking at the convo right now and it's not how it went. You said to say "I'm resting because of CD", and I said "OK, I'll take care so there won't be weird rumors going around". Then you said, "There's a new member coming in the team, so I'll just add it to the press release".

J: Yep. I told you to tell people you're resting because of CD. Don't blame me when you didn't understand.

C: (speaking loudly) You're also the one that didn't listen to me, so you're misunderstanding.

J: Who do you think you're yelling at?

C: Then who do you think you're talking like this to?

J: What? "Who do you think" (he talked in an informal way to her)? Wow, I'm flabbergasted.

C: You really want to me quit gaming?

J: I don't care if you quit or not, but as a human, you shouldn't act like that.

Boxer: Speak calmly. Lets meet and talk, and not through the phone.

Starting at 8 minute 50, Boxer gets on the call. Crank starts crying and till the end of the conversation, talks in a crying voice.

This is only the first half. Too lazy for the rest and I'm pretty sure an official translation will come. I also don't know what happened with the cervical disc part, so the translation gets a little iffy.

On October 23 2012 09:39 Shival wrote:


You think the manager of Startale is going to be walking around each day and help the players? Actually what about FXO, Choya is handling the affairs there, not some manager. Actually FXOBoSS was even pissed at Choya for being part of the eSF ban.

On October 23 2012 09:39 babylon wrote:

I'm just curious, and this may be an aside, but are B-teamers on KeSPA contracted?

On October 23 2012 09:43 tMomiji wrote:


Depends on the reason behind it. Motive is everything.

At least to me it is.

On October 23 2012 09:43 Shival wrote:


You do realise 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind' would fit quite nicely if you think it justifies Crank's actions.

On October 23 2012 09:36 Caihead wrote:


So Slayers had to operate on trusting the players not to jump ship whenever, yet the players didn't trust Slayers and they were wrong to not trust Slayers instead of trusting Mr. J. Sounds like bull shit to me. ESF should put every player on contract from now on to prevent crap like this.